who does self sponsored type ratings
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who does self sponsored type ratings
just curious. this is not meant to be a debate on the merits of a course. Which companies in the uk offer type rating courses, and on what aircraft. ( i know most will do 737 but is that 732 73-efis or 73NG) I know of GECAT, Bond, JAC Academy and CTC. Are there any others. Any replies would be much appreciated.
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I'd like to clarify a certain point, in as much that I think you'll find that the JAC Academy are completely discredited, having not paid their ( substantial ) bills to a number of the leading training providers !
I.e. JAC acted as agents / brokers, wherein they pocketed the trainees money, but did not then subsequently pass it on as payment to the companies that provided the actual hands-on training - and by all accounts it was nice little earner, e.g. their last know address was in Monaco !
Indeed if anybody knows the actual whereabouts of the brothers Auclerc ( i.e. Olivier and / or Nicholas ? ) who head-up JAC, could you please post it here ( or contact me privately ) so that the information can be passed on to the relevant legal authorities.
Nb. This action is being taken in conjunction w.r.t. the thousands of €/$/£'s that they ( JAC Academy / the Auclerc’s ) have extracted from a great many honest & hard working people.
Aside from the above - you will find that GECAT, CTC and Bond Aviation Solutions are all highly reputable organizations - ones that are able to offer Type-Ratings on all modern variants of the B737, as well as other aircraft.
That said, to my knowledge, only Bond Aviation are able to offer training including the aircraft portion B737 aircraft ( Base Training ) i.e. all the way to license issue ( -300 and -700 series ) - I believe they are considering offering a course including Line Training, although this option will have very stringent entrance requirements.
Hope this helps.
I.e. JAC acted as agents / brokers, wherein they pocketed the trainees money, but did not then subsequently pass it on as payment to the companies that provided the actual hands-on training - and by all accounts it was nice little earner, e.g. their last know address was in Monaco !
Indeed if anybody knows the actual whereabouts of the brothers Auclerc ( i.e. Olivier and / or Nicholas ? ) who head-up JAC, could you please post it here ( or contact me privately ) so that the information can be passed on to the relevant legal authorities.
Nb. This action is being taken in conjunction w.r.t. the thousands of €/$/£'s that they ( JAC Academy / the Auclerc’s ) have extracted from a great many honest & hard working people.
Aside from the above - you will find that GECAT, CTC and Bond Aviation Solutions are all highly reputable organizations - ones that are able to offer Type-Ratings on all modern variants of the B737, as well as other aircraft.
That said, to my knowledge, only Bond Aviation are able to offer training including the aircraft portion B737 aircraft ( Base Training ) i.e. all the way to license issue ( -300 and -700 series ) - I believe they are considering offering a course including Line Training, although this option will have very stringent entrance requirements.
Hope this helps.
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Crash,
With all due respect, I followed a JAC link from this very web site only this afternoon!
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Crashy writes : I will inform Captain PPRuNe ( Danny ) immediately of the 'concerns' about the above mentioned weblink - and please also see some extra info ( below ) about why it's a concern.....
Totally agree, and thanks for the warning. Just thought I'd mention the link.
Cheers
Splat
With all due respect, I followed a JAC link from this very web site only this afternoon!
Splat
Crashy writes : I will inform Captain PPRuNe ( Danny ) immediately of the 'concerns' about the above mentioned weblink - and please also see some extra info ( below ) about why it's a concern.....
Totally agree, and thanks for the warning. Just thought I'd mention the link.
Cheers
Splat
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So JAC are still out there are they ?! ....... and rest assured that I did not post the above 'lightheartedly' !
If you pay JAC any money then you stand to risk not getting issued with your Type Ratings ‘Course Completion Certificate’ – and this is something which you must have in order to get the CAA/JAA to issue the rating – and without which you are stuffed !
You see the way it works is that if you form a contract with JAC for Type-Rating training, and they ( JAC ) then form a contract with a (reputable) TRTO / training provider....... but that the TRTO does not subsequently get paid by JAC for provision of your training – something which was conducted on your behalf at JAC’s behest and to whom ( JAC ) you have paid your money - it is you who must chase JAC to ensure that they pay the TRTO for the training that you have had – such that the TRTO will issue the certificate to you.
Basically your contract is with JAC – and not with the 3rd party TRTO, to whom JAC ‘sub-contracted / brokered’ your training.
Nb. TRTO = Type Rating Training Organisation - which is a very difficult approval to get and to keep - and JAC have not been issued with one, so they buy-in / contract TRTO's to provide the training; So if you do business with JAC ask to see their TRTO certification and also check it with the relevant issuing authority.
Given the amounts of money involved in aviation training - especially so when it comes to large jet aircraft - I cannot caution people enough to be very careful with whom they give it to ............ and please remember that many of us PPRuNe elder statesmen have also been there, done that, been ‘burnt’
– and resultant from which PPRuNe was born ! 
If you pay JAC any money then you stand to risk not getting issued with your Type Ratings ‘Course Completion Certificate’ – and this is something which you must have in order to get the CAA/JAA to issue the rating – and without which you are stuffed !
You see the way it works is that if you form a contract with JAC for Type-Rating training, and they ( JAC ) then form a contract with a (reputable) TRTO / training provider....... but that the TRTO does not subsequently get paid by JAC for provision of your training – something which was conducted on your behalf at JAC’s behest and to whom ( JAC ) you have paid your money - it is you who must chase JAC to ensure that they pay the TRTO for the training that you have had – such that the TRTO will issue the certificate to you.
Basically your contract is with JAC – and not with the 3rd party TRTO, to whom JAC ‘sub-contracted / brokered’ your training.
Nb. TRTO = Type Rating Training Organisation - which is a very difficult approval to get and to keep - and JAC have not been issued with one, so they buy-in / contract TRTO's to provide the training; So if you do business with JAC ask to see their TRTO certification and also check it with the relevant issuing authority.
Given the amounts of money involved in aviation training - especially so when it comes to large jet aircraft - I cannot caution people enough to be very careful with whom they give it to ............ and please remember that many of us PPRuNe elder statesmen have also been there, done that, been ‘burnt’
– and resultant from which PPRuNe was born !
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Crash, JAC have been advertising in Flight Intl and are in this weeks issue again.
With regard to Type Ratings Skyblue offer ATR42/72 and have been advertising recently their rating includes time on the a/c. Having worked with all the people involved there in a previous life my opinion FWIW is you couldn't meet a more professional bunch.
With regard to Type Ratings Skyblue offer ATR42/72 and have been advertising recently their rating includes time on the a/c. Having worked with all the people involved there in a previous life my opinion FWIW is you couldn't meet a more professional bunch.
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Advertising in Flight Intl.
One would hazard a guess that more people read and get pukka advice from PPRuNe than can be said of Flight – oh how the times have changed - where it wouldn’t be too surprising to find the latter of which probably has its journalistic teeth filed down by the need for a regular and lucrative advertising revenue stream and it certainly doesn't pay to dis the adverting customer, does it ?!
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didnt realise that i'd opened such a can of worms. i always thought that jac was just as reputable as the rest of them. the power of advertising hey. well thanks for the responses so far. are there any other 737 type rating providers apart from the three mentoined already (i'm discounting jac as they don't count anymore) keep em coming, and thanks for the advice guys
