So what's the alternative to any P2F schemes for us EU low hour pilots?
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in my case I don't feel comfortable paying 35k as I don't want to ask my parents for funding, so if things stay like this i won't be applying to RYR anytime soon
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Thats for sure, if you go for something upfront you're free to jump out as soon as a better opportunity presents itself. There's advantages and disadvantages anywhere you look, what we should do is define whats most important for each of us.in my case I don't feel comfortable paying 35k as I don't want to ask my parents for funding, so if things stay like this i won't be applying to RYR anytime soon
Thats for sure, if you go for something upfront you're free to jump out as soon as a better opportunity presents itself. There's advantages and disadvantages anywhere you look, what we should do is define whats most important for each of us.
in my case I don't feel comfortable paying 35k as I don't want to ask my parents for funding, so if things stay like this i won't be applying to RYR anytime soon
in my case I don't feel comfortable paying 35k as I don't want to ask my parents for funding, so if things stay like this i won't be applying to RYR anytime soon
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I loved the entire conversation but lets come back to the topic. Except ryanair is there any other options? In Asia, US or Antarctica
seems like going from 250 tt to 1500 tt is harder than spending 20 years in industry.
seems like going from 250 tt to 1500 tt is harder than spending 20 years in industry.
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I can name over half a dozen UK companies currently offering bonded or salary sacrifice type ratings, and have done in other threads. I am sadly no longer entitled to live and work in the EU and am exceedingly happy at my current airline (and far too old to move!) so I do not keep an eye on the jobs market beyond chatting to my friends over there. I have numerous friends and their children who have gained employment in the UK - all bar one (RYR) have had bonded type ratings (i.e. nothing to pay unless you leave within a set time period, with the amount on a pro rata decreasing term).
That said, I personally think far too many people go into this with absolutely no idea how they are going to end up on the flight deck - they just sort of assume it will work out once they get the licences and find themselves swimming in a huge school of wet CPLs with no skills and no real exposure to an airline. I was fortunate enough to start (quite a long time ago) at an airline where it was common for those from the ops room or office to be offered a shot at a NTR job; the same is still true at a number of other operators like Jet2 and Eastern to name just two of them.
If you are absolutely desperate that you MUST end up on
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I wonder what people's opinions are on the current position of the aviation 'wave'? Would be ideal if we were still in a good spot by the end of next year
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I guess its safe to say most of us invested in a really expensive hobby and we will just keep on investing until one day we are lucky enough to get a career out of it as our main hustle.
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im in a similar situation UK passport holder with an EASA licence and have been unlucky with ryan air, thus the airlines in the UK all want UK CAA and the airlines in the EU, they are asking for EU right of stay/work, whats frustrating is that during my atpl training we were told that the UK CAA and EASA will come to an agreement and not to worry at all and just complete the training, companies like avion express or baa also state eu right of stay etc, thus one option which im considering is eagle jets but again cant find much recent feedback etc
im in a similar situation UK passport holder with an EASA licence and have been unlucky with ryan air, thus the airlines in the UK all want UK CAA and the airlines in the EU, they are asking for EU right of stay/work, whats frustrating is that during my atpl training we were told that the UK CAA and EASA will come to an agreement and not to worry at all and just complete the training, companies like avion express or baa also state eu right of stay etc, thus one option which im considering is eagle jets but again cant find much recent feedback etc
I 'paused' my training back in early 2020 when COVID kicked off. I guess you could say I am getting back on the horse now.
I wonder what people's opinions are on the current position of the aviation 'wave'? Would be ideal if we were still in a good spot by the end of next year
I wonder what people's opinions are on the current position of the aviation 'wave'? Would be ideal if we were still in a good spot by the end of next year
As a general comment, getting a licence is simple: literally anyone with reasonable aptitude and zero cash can get one in less than 5 years if they apply themselves. The hard part is getting that first job. You can sent out CVs and wait forever or you can get creative.
If I was starting from scratch I would get an office based job at a cadet friendly airline to support myself through flight training. I'd talk to the Chief pilot and ask how to become a pilot, sowing the seed. Then I'd go and get a PPL and straight up ask him/her: If I go all the way with this will you interview me? I'd keep him/her in the loop every time I pass another module and get them invested. A self-appointed pilot apprentice scheme. It's not 100% guaranteed but I'd say its pretty close.
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If not, my advice would be to get a UK licence, then look for a non-flying job with an airline. If you’re in the north jet2, in the south try BA or if not then TUI/Easyjet. All these airlines have hired cadets in the recent past and most likely will again soon. Internal applicants are generally (unofficially) treated favourably, and at the very least you’re more likely to at least get an interview.
Wizz may well re-open sooner if they keep losing pilots, and Ryanair might invite you to apply again (assuming you can’t delete your profile and start again from scratch?)
There are many better options than p2f, which could be seen as a black mark on your CV when looking for proper jobs.
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It sounds like you are a UK national with an EASA licence? Do you have the right to work in the EU?
If not, my advice would be to get a UK licence, then look for a non-flying job with an airline. If you’re in the north jet2, in the south try BA or if not then TUI/Easyjet. All these airlines have hired cadets in the recent past and most likely will again soon. Internal applicants are generally (unofficially) treated favourably, and at the very least you’re more likely to at least get an interview.
Wizz may well re-open sooner if they keep losing pilots, and Ryanair might invite you to apply again (assuming you can’t delete your profile and start again from scratch?)
There are many better options than p2f, which could be seen as a black mark on your CV when looking for proper jobs.
If not, my advice would be to get a UK licence, then look for a non-flying job with an airline. If you’re in the north jet2, in the south try BA or if not then TUI/Easyjet. All these airlines have hired cadets in the recent past and most likely will again soon. Internal applicants are generally (unofficially) treated favourably, and at the very least you’re more likely to at least get an interview.
Wizz may well re-open sooner if they keep losing pilots, and Ryanair might invite you to apply again (assuming you can’t delete your profile and start again from scratch?)
There are many better options than p2f, which could be seen as a black mark on your CV when looking for proper jobs.
Have you considered applying to private operators who fly EASA registered aircraft with UK based crew? A few of them around if you do the research. I feel you’re trying to justify P2F without having really looked at ALL the options.
