EU AIRLINES

[A3all]

Hello Colleagues,
new here,Long story short.I hold an EASA ATPL with just over 4 k hours on the 320/330.I hold a third country passport with a Dutch residence permit through my family.Do I have any chance for a job in this side of the world,Airlines seem to call me for the recruitment but not sure if they are Aware Of my situation and no reply when I tell them either.I would like to know if there is anyone out there working in europe on a residence permit.Cheers

[Fawa2003]

Hi, I have a good friend in same situation, if you have a EU residence, mabrouk! you can work in Europe.
Residence permit will give you right to work.

[iggy]

This thread should be interesting for you: Right to work in Europe, along with this one Employment of Non-EU citizens and this one Work permit or not?

Good luck!

[A3all]

Can you give me a scenario,The links down have a lot of confusion information.Other forums say a residence permit for one country can only be used in that country while some recruiters say it’s possible with a work permit for another country,Just super confusing.If I can find one soul with the right information,Beers on me

[Denti]

Originally Posted by Fawa2003

Hi, I have a good friend in same situation, if you have a EU residence, mabrouk! you can work in Europe.
Residence permit will give you right to work.

There is not really a thing like EU residency. Immigration and residency is not part of the EU rulebook but rather an individual thing for each member state with regards to third country citizens. Residency does not give the right to live and work in other EU countries, just in the one where you have it, and the rules around it are different between countries. There are some ways around that, but those are of limited use to many. If one marries an EU citizen the EU citizen has the freedom of movement and its third country spouse can accompany it, but has to apply for his right to live and work (aka residency) anew in each country, which can and will be granted only after the EU citizen has gained residency himself, which can take a few months.

Another way is to stay in the one country where one has residency for at least 5 years after gaining residency and then apply for a long term residency which in turn grants freedom of movement, aka the right to live and work within the EEA states.

Airlines, especially transnational ones like the Lowcost ones, want the unrestricted right to live and work within the EU/EEA so they can put you into bases in different countries. National carriers with bases only in one country might see that differently and could be happy with the right to live and work in that one country. However, a third country passport can sometimes make rostering harder as there might be differing entry requirements compared to EU citizens in other countries. All in all, it is an additional hassle for airlines and might get you on the PFO stack as long as other equally qualified applicants are available that do not have that problem.

[A3all]

I understand,Hence the question if there is someone you know in this situtuon.How are UK pilots employed in EU airlines as UK passports are considered 3rd Country now

[redsnail]

I have a UK passport, resident in the UK too, with an EASA and UK CAA ATPL and currently fly a Portuguese registered aircraft for a large fractional jet ownership company. So it is possible.

[A3all]

Could you please elaborate on how airlines accommodate this?Is it through a work visa or EU wife/spouse moving there to get the residence permit?

[redsnail]

What you'll need is a company that has basings in the UK (as an example). Or you'll need to commute. The company I work for is not an airline but a bizjet company with gateways around the UK and most countries in Europe.
I can live in the UK (British citizen) and I can fly a Portuguese registered aircraft (EASA licence).

Does your Dutch residency permit enable you to work? You'll need to determine that. You might need to investigate visas.
My husband worked for several years in the UK on an ancestral visa. He needed to have a multiple entry visa (ancestral is one such visa). So he could work for a UK company (easyJet). He's now a British citizen.

[A3all]

Hi Capt,
My Dutch residence permit allows me to work in Netherlands and travel all over the EU(multiple entry).The problem is that most Airlines that I qualify for don't have an operational base in Holland. I don't know how commuting works in this side of the pond. For example, If I get hired for a Belgian company, Though I can commute everyday to Belgium while maintaining residence in Holland, I will have to pay tax in Belgium which requires me to have working rights in Belgium as the company is Based there I assume, My Dutch residence permit Only allows travel to Belgium. So my family is in a tough situation.

[redsnail]

I would speak to a financial lawyer about tax and residency. I am not an expert on that in any way shape or form.
My colleagues live in various countries around Europe and pay tax in Portugal. Check the double taxation agreements between your prospective employer and your residence. Biggest hassle is social security which is another head ache all together.
As for commuting, you drive/train/fly to your place of work. If it's for multiple days, take a crash pad etc.