Type VS flight time
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Hello.
Im new to this forum and would like to thank in advance to anyone who will respond to my question.
I am 28yo, German citizen
(Not speak german, know it is funny but it's true) completed my training in October tt260h 125h PIC
holding Frozen ATPL, CPL, ME-IR, and MCC, my English proficiency is level 5.
After 4 month of sending my CV without any positive response from any of the companies i sent to i would like to ask a question those who have a better experience than me
Should i go through a type rating on my on for example in airbaltic on the 737 or other place for a type on
or should i buy some more hours by renting a c172?
Many Thanks to all in advance!
Im new to this forum and would like to thank in advance to anyone who will respond to my question.
I am 28yo, German citizen
(Not speak german, know it is funny but it's true) completed my training in October tt260h 125h PIC
holding Frozen ATPL, CPL, ME-IR, and MCC, my English proficiency is level 5.
After 4 month of sending my CV without any positive response from any of the companies i sent to i would like to ask a question those who have a better experience than me
Should i go through a type rating on my on for example in airbaltic on the 737 or other place for a type on
or should i buy some more hours by renting a c172?
Many Thanks to all in advance!
Getting a job is the hard bit. Networking is the key, finding someone on the inside to get your CV looked at. Have you called everyone you haven't had a reply from? Having a type rating without any hours on type is a waste of money, and paying for a few extra piston hours won't make much of a difference. Becoming an FI would be a good bet to keep current and make a bit of money.
Check the Africa forum for piston jobs flying tourists.
You have very low time and certain airlines may exclude you simply based on the school(s) you didn't attend for your CPL/IR and ATP exams.
Depending on how the market holds up you may be time-building on a piston for a while to come.
Nothing wrong with that.
People getting hired with 260 hrs at an Airline are the exception and not the norm.
You have very low time and certain airlines may exclude you simply based on the school(s) you didn't attend for your CPL/IR and ATP exams.
Depending on how the market holds up you may be time-building on a piston for a while to come.
Nothing wrong with that.
People getting hired with 260 hrs at an Airline are the exception and not the norm.
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Thanks you both
Just that i forgot to specify that all of my license are EASA and i understood from people who work already that in Europe 260h are enough...
So now i understand that it will be almost impossible for me to get hired with this amount of hours...right?
So now i understand that it will be almost impossible for me to get hired with this amount of hours...right?
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Mind me asking, what language is your native one? The reason why I ask this is because if you have another language, be it Italian, French or Turkish, it can open up whole new opportunities in their respective markets.
where have you sent your CVs already? If in 4 months time of sending cv's in this hiring climate you don't have a single lead, I would have a hard look at your CV, maybe it needs some work. Try out one of the professional CV tailoring outfits, it's a relatively small investment but could be the game changer..
I personally don't think it makes any difference to be honest whether you do an blank TR with no hours or fly about in pistons - if there's something fundamentally wrong with your CV, calls still wont come..
where have you sent your CVs already? If in 4 months time of sending cv's in this hiring climate you don't have a single lead, I would have a hard look at your CV, maybe it needs some work. Try out one of the professional CV tailoring outfits, it's a relatively small investment but could be the game changer..
I personally don't think it makes any difference to be honest whether you do an blank TR with no hours or fly about in pistons - if there's something fundamentally wrong with your CV, calls still wont come..
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Thanks martin
Thanks Martin.
Im actually an italian speaker, english speaker and hebrew speaker.
I guess you got me in the CV model which i have as i created it by my self...maybe i should really send it to a professional one to upgrade it to me...do you have any suggestions for a good one?
As if i will pay for it i prefer it to be a good one.
And thanks for all the other who replayed to my post...by the way...my all license is EASA.
Im actually an italian speaker, english speaker and hebrew speaker.
I guess you got me in the CV model which i have as i created it by my self...maybe i should really send it to a professional one to upgrade it to me...do you have any suggestions for a good one?
As if i will pay for it i prefer it to be a good one.
And thanks for all the other who replayed to my post...by the way...my all license is EASA.
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I don't have any first hand experience with the commercial CV tailors, however in my previous career I have been on the receiving end of incoming CVs and I have seen how CVs are thrown out without reading if it just doesn't look right!
and what airlines or how many have you applied to? Have you tried Air Dolomiti? They used to take Italian speakers only, but now have even dropped that requirement as far as I can see
and what airlines or how many have you applied to? Have you tried Air Dolomiti? They used to take Italian speakers only, but now have even dropped that requirement as far as I can see
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The companies are
Easy jet Switzerland, air dolomiti, dhl, asl, aer lingus,air serbia, tui, Brussels airline.
The only place i was invited to was Ryanair and unfortunately i didnt pass, dont know if the fact that i came with missing 2 documents could made it.
Now while i posted here i got an invitation from air baltic, and blueair to come to assessments day.
There is any help here thay you can give me?
Blueair told me that i will have 60 ATPL questions (have no idea how to stady cause the bank of ATPL is 15k questions)
And group exercise and HR interview and sim.
Air baltic i have no idea
If any one can drop some ideas i will really appreciate it...
The only place i was invited to was Ryanair and unfortunately i didnt pass, dont know if the fact that i came with missing 2 documents could made it.
Now while i posted here i got an invitation from air baltic, and blueair to come to assessments day.
There is any help here thay you can give me?
Blueair told me that i will have 60 ATPL questions (have no idea how to stady cause the bank of ATPL is 15k questions)
And group exercise and HR interview and sim.
Air baltic i have no idea
If any one can drop some ideas i will really appreciate it...
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No cs300
I wish i had enough experience and flight time on type for send to the cs300 but i dont.
I got invited from the flight school i graduated from which arranged a selection day for the pilots who recently completed training (cant specify the FTO name)
But any way....any suggestions for how to prepare my self to those bought?
I got invited from the flight school i graduated from which arranged a selection day for the pilots who recently completed training (cant specify the FTO name)
But any way....any suggestions for how to prepare my self to those bought?
Friend of mine had a job on an A320 in Europe, quit, went to 5(!) assessments/interviews before he got hired again at the 6th.
So not making it through one assessment is really just one step on your journey.
Learn from every one and do not be discouraged.
There is no such thing as having enough time.
Yes, some lucky souls get picked up by the airlines with 250hrs or less.
The rest of us need to work,work,work and then work some more.
Summer is coming up in Europe, start looking for banner towing and glider towing and sight seeing jobs.
Apply as a Flight attendant over the summer then apply for a Pilot position at the same airline with a Letter of Recommendation from the Head of Cabin Services.
With a bit of luck you've already flown with the Chief Pilot several times and you've left a good impression.
More then one pilot I know got his first jet job that way.
Just as a bit of useless info, it took me 8000 hrs piston to get on a jet.
That and....18 years......and moving to a different continent....and making it through two major downturns in the economy and in aviation.
This is a very tough industry to break into and some final words of wisdom that I've stolen from somebody else:
"There will never be a shortage of inexperienced FO's"
Again:
Learn from every opportunity and do not get discouraged.
So not making it through one assessment is really just one step on your journey.
Learn from every one and do not be discouraged.
i understood from people who work already that in Europe 260h are enough
Yes, some lucky souls get picked up by the airlines with 250hrs or less.
The rest of us need to work,work,work and then work some more.
Summer is coming up in Europe, start looking for banner towing and glider towing and sight seeing jobs.
Apply as a Flight attendant over the summer then apply for a Pilot position at the same airline with a Letter of Recommendation from the Head of Cabin Services.
With a bit of luck you've already flown with the Chief Pilot several times and you've left a good impression.
More then one pilot I know got his first jet job that way.
Just as a bit of useless info, it took me 8000 hrs piston to get on a jet.
That and....18 years......and moving to a different continent....and making it through two major downturns in the economy and in aviation.
This is a very tough industry to break into and some final words of wisdom that I've stolen from somebody else:
"There will never be a shortage of inexperienced FO's"
Again:
Learn from every opportunity and do not get discouraged.
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Wow!
Thanks man for sharing with me your experience!
And thanks for the encouragement!
Really appreciate it all...i guess i should not let off my dream, as i understand that I'm not the only dreamer who is seeing others being picked on the short way but not himself.
Thanks a lot!...i will checkout for other opportunity beside seeking of becoming an airliner with 260h...i even got the word of the chief instructor in a flight school that in case i will not get picked on the next 2 assessments he is promise to take me as a flight instructor in the school as summer coming that i will be able to build some time.
Again thanks a lot for all of the sharing!
Thanks man for sharing with me your experience!
And thanks for the encouragement!
Really appreciate it all...i guess i should not let off my dream, as i understand that I'm not the only dreamer who is seeing others being picked on the short way but not himself.
Thanks a lot!...i will checkout for other opportunity beside seeking of becoming an airliner with 260h...i even got the word of the chief instructor in a flight school that in case i will not get picked on the next 2 assessments he is promise to take me as a flight instructor in the school as summer coming that i will be able to build some time.
Again thanks a lot for all of the sharing!
Extra time in a single engine piston will give you no return on that investment.
I've spent my 16-year flying career doing things "the right way"; not paying ratings, earning my hours the hard way bush flying, etc... I listened to a lot of experienced pilots clamouring about not buying ratings; but that's useless talk unless they're telling it to management. Which they weren't.
Here's the executive summary: all my flight school colleagues who bought a rating are left hand seat with decent airlines now. I've had a great career, however I've had to work hard for each of my small 'breaks' and have some time in regionals and now firmly in non-scheduled commercial air transport. Get a rating. Go to Wizz, Air Baltic, Vueling or Air Macau. Get in the door and get on with your career.
The investment in a type rating is a fraction of what it will cost not investing in a type rating over the long run.
I've spent my 16-year flying career doing things "the right way"; not paying ratings, earning my hours the hard way bush flying, etc... I listened to a lot of experienced pilots clamouring about not buying ratings; but that's useless talk unless they're telling it to management. Which they weren't.
Here's the executive summary: all my flight school colleagues who bought a rating are left hand seat with decent airlines now. I've had a great career, however I've had to work hard for each of my small 'breaks' and have some time in regionals and now firmly in non-scheduled commercial air transport. Get a rating. Go to Wizz, Air Baltic, Vueling or Air Macau. Get in the door and get on with your career.
The investment in a type rating is a fraction of what it will cost not investing in a type rating over the long run.
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Thanks journey man
You took me back to step one after all other wrote it is useless having type without hours.
My first tought before wrote this question in this forum was to go and to do a type with AirBaltic which give you the opportunity to work for them after completion of the training...
My only concern was (they do not guarantee a job)
My question is, if i will finish the type, and in the "worst case senario" they will not offer me a job, can i find in europe any other airliner who will look on my as a value applicant with a type on 737 but with no hours on type and a tottal of 260h + type lets say a tottal of 300h...?
My first tought before wrote this question in this forum was to go and to do a type with AirBaltic which give you the opportunity to work for them after completion of the training...
My only concern was (they do not guarantee a job)
My question is, if i will finish the type, and in the "worst case senario" they will not offer me a job, can i find in europe any other airliner who will look on my as a value applicant with a type on 737 but with no hours on type and a tottal of 260h + type lets say a tottal of 300h...?
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Wizzair are hiring non-experienced pilots with 300h TT, so if you get 40 more hours on piston plane and have your MCC & JOC done you could try going for WIZZ, thats a very good airline to start with.
Get a type rating and you'll still be a 260h pilot, maybe 261h if you do base training.
A type rating is operator-specific, meaning there are subtle differences between how companies operate the aircraft. Ryanair for example like things done their way, so if you turn up with a type rating they'll make you do *their* type rating anyway.
Doing a type rating course is a regulatory tick in the box, line training is where you really learn to manage the aircraft. Type rating courses really only get you to minimum acceptable standard, and need to be built upon immediately; wait a few months and you'll be neither confident or competent - except that now if you get a sim assessment you'll be assessed to a much higher standard, being type rated..
Once you've got 500 jet hours, it's a different ballgame, but a type rating on its own isn't a golden ticket. If you've got the money, go for it but don't let it blinker you when it comes to job hunting. There's no point missing out on a potential TP or a320 job because your focus is solely on getting into a 737.
A type rating is operator-specific, meaning there are subtle differences between how companies operate the aircraft. Ryanair for example like things done their way, so if you turn up with a type rating they'll make you do *their* type rating anyway.
Doing a type rating course is a regulatory tick in the box, line training is where you really learn to manage the aircraft. Type rating courses really only get you to minimum acceptable standard, and need to be built upon immediately; wait a few months and you'll be neither confident or competent - except that now if you get a sim assessment you'll be assessed to a much higher standard, being type rated..
Once you've got 500 jet hours, it's a different ballgame, but a type rating on its own isn't a golden ticket. If you've got the money, go for it but don't let it blinker you when it comes to job hunting. There's no point missing out on a potential TP or a320 job because your focus is solely on getting into a 737.
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I Think that I'll do my best for preparing my self for the assesments of BlueAir and AirBaltic, and if i will be unlucky with those two as I've been with Ryanair i will go to a period of flight instructor...and regard wizz its a great company but the problem is that they ask 300tt and sim time is not include so im not 40 less than there requirements but 98 under
