Flybe MPL 2017 with FTE Jerez

[MaverickPrime]

Thought I'd get the thread started for those who will be applying. Good luck.

[planesandthings]

FTE vs CTC

Although this is expensive anyway can anyone genuinely tell me why CTC charge £93,000 for what appears to be the same course without food and accommodation. When FTE as a company despite trading mostly in Euros in a time of poor rates, gives the course for £89k WITH accommodation and board.

Is this simply CTC profiteering? The courses look identical and offer the same end result.

I can't see why anyone would apply for Flybe MPL with CTC otherwise. Everyone should go for FTE!

[AA757]

The thing is that you're starting at 29K GBP with an MPL qualifying you to fly on the Q400. The salary at flybe is steadily increasing to reach 49K GBP at year 10 (assuming you're still a SFO, which is very conservative). If you're lucky enough to upgrade as a captain after let's say 4 or 5 years, then you'll reach 60+ K GBP which is a lot more comfortable financially

If you're financing your studies with a mortgage, the classic rate is around 3+ %, so the first few years you'll be struggling to pay back anything on top of the interests.
If you want to move to another airline, let's say Easyjet or Ryanair, you'll most likely be asked to pay another 20+ K GBP for a 320/737 type rating.
Overall I think it's a lot safer to go on with another cadet scheme such as the EasyJet one, it may be a bit more expensive, but you'll be repaying your loan a lot faster (from the EasyJet salaries table, you'll be at 45K GBP at year 1 or 2 if in the UK).

[Officer Kite]

I don't like those planes

[MaverickPrime]

Originally Posted by AA757

If you want to move to another airline, let's say Easyjet or Ryanair, you'll most likely be asked to pay another 20+ K GBP for a 320/737 type rating.

IIRC, Flybe bond you for 3 years at £18k, its not so easy to move airline before you have converted the MPL to an ATPL and thats before you even think about paying for another TR if you want to move! Also, from what I've picked up Flybe are quite good at detecting and sifting out the RHS 777 wannabes; do EK or QR even accept turbo prop hours??

[matt_wizz]

Word of warning - don't send your application on the pre-screen questions until you're ready to answer the questionnaire - there are 6 x max 500 word questions to answer and you have an ambitious 3 days to complete them from the time you submit the initial pre-screen application!
A tall order for an unemployed person, let alone if you work full time! Unfortunately a non-starter for me on that basis, good luck to anyone crunching out 3000 quality words in 3 days.

[vrb03kt]

Originally Posted by MaverickPrime

IIRC, Flybe bond you for 3 years at £18k

It's 5 years.

do EK or QR even accept turbo prop hours??

Yes they do.

[BaronVonBarnstormer]

Are there any current Flybe employees that can shed light on this scheme, and the company in general? Especially the salary / progression / lifestyle side of things considering the loan amount?

[Mike Dove]

Opportunities

So I completed the application for FTR today , yes whilst the 3000 or so words were painful it's nothing too challenging. Meanwhile I have had an email from CTC pursuing me about booking a selection day , I'm torn between 89k for a Q400 or 94k for potentially a 737/320 job and with a potential salary difference of 15k the decision certainly is not an easy one.

[matt_wizz]

Did you apply to CTC direct or through Generation easyJet? I still can't book a stage 2 for love nor money...keeps showing full!

[MaverickPrime]

Originally Posted by Mike Dove

So I completed the application for FTR today , yes whilst the 3000 or so words were painful it's nothing too challenging. Meanwhile I have had an email from CTC pursuing me about booking a selection day , I'm torn between 89k for a Q400 or 94k for potentially a 737/320 job and with a potential salary difference of 15k the decision certainly is not an easy one.

As most of the experienced guys on this forum will tell you; never choose a job based on what you'll be flying. Look down the road a bit, where would you like to live, what experience do you want to get, how much time do you want off, what perks apart from salary are important to you etc etc. Flybe could maybe work for me as it would mean I could get a base quickly near to home, EZY wouldn't work so well for me as I would have to live in europe or near LGW for quite a few years - but thats just me personally!

[BaronVonBarnstormer]

Is there a system for cadets from this scheme to specify a base preference?

[MaverickPrime]

When you start the TR, I'd imagine that is when they'd ask you where you would like to go.

[Vinny91]

Hello everyone! I'm Vinny, I'm wondering if anyone is interested to apply for this airline scheme. I have applied for this position last day, is a bit interesting the new license MPL and I think is going to be growing up over the years. it's also a risk but I think Flybe is a good company to invest 89000 for the training.

[fenny]

Originally Posted by Mike Dove

I'm torn between 89k for a Q400 or 94k for potentially a 737/320 job and with a potential salary difference of 15k the decision certainly is not an easy one.

Unless you get yourself on a airline tagged course at CTC or anywhere else then I'd say go with flybe. Sure it's a turboprop but you have a good chance of getting command in about 3 years (with a £68k+ salary I think) and I've been told most of their pilots work the max hours every year so I guess it's good for building hours.
Most people I believe wait about 6 months between finishing CTC and securing a job so I guess at flybe you'd have made £14k in that time. Yes you won't be paid as much as a jet job would but you won't have to pay for your type rating either so for about 3 years you're making about the same amount of money.
That's the way I see it, you have you're whole career ahead of you, what's a few years with a relatively secure turboprop job gonna do? I've known a few people who've done CTC and OAA and not been placed who've eventually gone to Aurigny - any job is a good job (except maybe p2f)

[MaverickPrime]

Correct! I'm just trying to point out that there is a lot more to consider at an airline than the a/c type and top line salary.

[Driftdown89]

I flew for Flybe via a cadet scheme. They did sponsor me for effectively £18,900 which I paid through salary sacrifice. Bonded for the Q400 rating over 3 years. Happily paid BBVA (twice a month more than contracted), paid into pension scheme, able to save and enjoy my earnings.

Worked hard, peaking at 885hrs last year. Salary not the best in the industry but coupled with private healthcare, staff travel for various airlines around the world, uniform paid for, crew food, union recognition, no pay to fly nonsense and not physically transferring money over for a rating it's pretty good! Time to command is approx 3 years if you're happy to move to any base.

The Q400 has such varied flying. Now fly an Airbus for a national flag carrier. Turboprop hours not restrictive in the market currently.

[Vinny91]

Hello Driftdown89, so are you an ex cadet scheme with Flybe? That's pretty good tho, Flybe is a not bad company, how was structured the assessment? If I might asking.
Thanks so much

[JM926]

Originally Posted by momo95

Who wants to fly a Q400?

Rather ride a bike

With respect-That's just the type of attitude airlines would hope to weed out through selection.

[Officer Kite]

They are only taking 8, personally I'm not applying, however I think you would be bloody lucky to get a spot.

I think any talk about base, a/c, lifestyle, salary etc etc is extremely premature both in terms of the fact the odds are stacked against each individual applying given how few spaces there are and how many applicants there will be, but also in that this is only the start of your career, I think you should be prepared to fly anything anywhere at this early stage, beggars most certainly can't be choosers in this industry especially.