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Yeah, you guys are absolutely right. I don't give a rats behind about people who are unable to afford a p2f contract.
Why would that though make me an unsafe pilot?
I am working two jobs on the side. Living on minimum monthly expenditures, simply because if the need would arise, I will have the possibility to afford a contract like this. Its far from being my prime option, but its somewhere on the table.
So, let me sum up some of your quotes to a logic here:
People who do p2f are lazy, spoiled, unsafe pilots who take risks, while all the pilots who are unable/not willing to go for a p2f contract are true aviators who just didn't get the fair chance.
Why would that though make me an unsafe pilot?
I am working two jobs on the side. Living on minimum monthly expenditures, simply because if the need would arise, I will have the possibility to afford a contract like this. Its far from being my prime option, but its somewhere on the table.
So, let me sum up some of your quotes to a logic here:
People who do p2f are lazy, spoiled, unsafe pilots who take risks, while all the pilots who are unable/not willing to go for a p2f contract are true aviators who just didn't get the fair chance.
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I wouldn't consider myself an aggressive person. Frankly said, I am just sharing my thoughts and if some people are intimidated by that, well then thats just how it is. My mailbox on pprune had 13 PMs since yesterday. All starting with something like "What company did you chose for p2f" "What did you pay" yada yada. If you guys are reading this now. I haven't chosen any. I am not in an active p2f contract. Simply put, its an option. An option I am someday willing to take if nothing else shows up.
Working two jobs, living on minimum expenditures. That is my life for the moment. Never would I take a loan for flightstudies, nor would I ever recommend it to somebody.
I wouldn't consider myself an aggressive person. Frankly said, I am just sharing my thoughts and if some people are intimidated by that, well then thats just how it is. My mailbox on pprune had 13 PMs since yesterday. All starting with something like "What company did you chose for p2f" "What did you pay" yada yada. If you guys are reading this now. I haven't chosen any. I am not in an active p2f contract. Simply put, its an option. An option I am someday willing to take if nothing else shows up.
Working two jobs, living on minimum expenditures. That is my life for the moment. Never would I take a loan for flightstudies, nor would I ever recommend it to somebody.
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I admit that my wording could have been chosen in a more careful way there. Still I don't get it why people chose to work as dispatchers, cc or baggage handlers. I mean, there is simply no benefit with it, if you want to get into the cockpit. Well, you will of course tell me the opposite now, but I simply won't believe it, since I've seen my fair amount of examples that it ain't possible.
How much do you make each month? 1600€? 1800€ tops?
I am not saying that you are a bad person or that I wish that you'll never get a cockpit job. I sincerely hope that you will get a job in the cockpit soon. But what if not? What if you waste another 3-4 years in the cabin and nothing happens?
I've said it before, that I quit a job that was well paid. A job that paid more than most f/o jobs for the first 5-10 years. The reason I quit it, was to work in the cockpit. Not as a cc, a dispatcher or as a baggage handler. That said, I've already taken a HUGE risk. Why would I take another huge risk if it only costs me a certain amount to step in front of the line?
I admit that my wording could have been chosen in a more careful way there. Still I don't get it why people chose to work as dispatchers, cc or baggage handlers. I mean, there is simply no benefit with it, if you want to get into the cockpit. Well, you will of course tell me the opposite now, but I simply won't believe it, since I've seen my fair amount of examples that it ain't possible.
How much do you make each month? 1600€? 1800€ tops?
I am not saying that you are a bad person or that I wish that you'll never get a cockpit job. I sincerely hope that you will get a job in the cockpit soon. But what if not? What if you waste another 3-4 years in the cabin and nothing happens?
I've said it before, that I quit a job that was well paid. A job that paid more than most f/o jobs for the first 5-10 years. The reason I quit it, was to work in the cockpit. Not as a cc, a dispatcher or as a baggage handler. That said, I've already taken a HUGE risk. Why would I take another huge risk if it only costs me a certain amount to step in front of the line?
de minimus non curat lex
P2F
The sooner P2F is confined to the history books the better.
The simple fact is that the SUPPLY and DEMAND balance allows the employer to exploit the market situation.
Once the DEMAND side of the equation strengthens, then P2F will be a thing of the past. It is simply wrong to expect junior birdmen to pay to fly the line, when by doing so, a revenue stream is being generated by the operator/employer.
How does this differ from slave labour? And, you cannot compare it to being an INTERN. They don't pay to work?
The employer is simply interested in maximising the bottom line, and don't give a to_s for the workforce.
The Regulators need to outlaw it, and ensure that there are sufficient anti avoidance regs to avoid an operator trying to circumvent the intention/spirit of the provisions.
The simple fact is that the SUPPLY and DEMAND balance allows the employer to exploit the market situation.
Once the DEMAND side of the equation strengthens, then P2F will be a thing of the past. It is simply wrong to expect junior birdmen to pay to fly the line, when by doing so, a revenue stream is being generated by the operator/employer.
How does this differ from slave labour? And, you cannot compare it to being an INTERN. They don't pay to work?
The employer is simply interested in maximising the bottom line, and don't give a to_s for the workforce.
The Regulators need to outlaw it, and ensure that there are sufficient anti avoidance regs to avoid an operator trying to circumvent the intention/spirit of the provisions.
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