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Old 2nd Dec 2020, 06:19
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Internal rumor is that post covid19 salaries are going to be initially half of what pre-covid pay was. It's not clear whether this will apply to new hires/rehires or to everyone further dividing the pilot group thus preventing forming of a union some sort.
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Old 2nd Dec 2020, 12:14
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Q2 2021 will be an interesting time if the EC does not extend the suspension of the 80-20 slot rule in March. The moment those slots are up for grabs, Wizz air are ready to take them. That's what JV has been indicating consistently in the past months. And this is something which can redefine the landscape in many parts of Europe which previously enjoyed a totally different setup.
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 11:06
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 11:26
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It seems to be confirmed. It applies to current employees as well when changing payscale i.e. FO - - - > SFO. Effectively an upgrade with a paycut.
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 12:26
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It's not half, it's around 20% off - at least currently, I have not heard of any further paycuts.
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 13:42
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There was a 20% pay cut in late March - and, back then, the idea was to restore the pre-COVID salary after one year for current employees but to keep the new, lower pay scale for any new joiners. Then, in the summer, the length of service bonus was capped - as far as I remember, now any further year of service after the fifth one makes no difference to pay. Right now, many pilots are either on part-time contracts or on alternating periods of unpaid leave.

That's the part which is certain for now. Can anyone confirm whether the new, further reduced pay scale is a fact or just a rumour? If it's real, this is likely going to affect a number of other airlines across Europe, especially Eastern Europe.
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 16:05
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Itís confirmed Wizz will now be paying their pilots in pretzels and malt wine to keep cost down but maintain the Christmas spirit. They still expect to get 1000 applications every 2 minutes..
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 18:24
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It’s correct what you said, no further paycuts, I don’t know where the rumours come from.
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 01:59
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Rumor has it that a zoom meeting has leaked costing some heads/managers so far. Many subjects were discussed during this meeting like a matrix on how to choose who should be let go and based on what reasons, further salary cuts, etc.
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 08:08
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The 500 EUR bonus will certainly help employees through Christmas season.
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 09:54
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The majority of redundant captains and FOs are working jobs where they make a quarter of their previous airline pilot salary, operators know that, so why on earth should they offer more money ? As of today and the foreseeable future pilot's bargaining power is close to zero.
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 11:46
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History tells us a surplus turns to a desperate shortage very very quickly, and while I fully support pilots accepting big pay cuts, when the boots on the other foot, they MUST MUST MUST either walk away to a competitor, or demand a massive pay deal to prevent them doing so (and compensate for the bad times).

And when that deal is assessed by the pilot, inevitably the behaviour of the airline during the bad times will be remembered, so airlines which think they are saving a bundle by slashing pay, will only lose it later by having to pay more when pilots are rare as rocking horse . So for example, given an offer from both wizz and easy, I would in future need the wizz package to be about 25% above easy, because I now know that come the bad times, the wizz pay will crumble away in a second.
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 11:52
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Improvement in T&Cs is due in two situations - whenever the company needs to attract new employees (by convincing them to quit their jobs in other companies) and whenever retention of the present employees becomes problematic (obviously because there are other, better opportunities out there and people are moving onto them in large numbers).

Which of those is the case now? Neither, unfortunately. Therefore, any improvement is off the cards until numerous other opportunities come up, absorb most of those thousands on the dole or in low-paid non-flying jobs now and provide better alternatives for present employees. As things stand now, those who still have their jobs will be clinging onto them for dear life and those who are out of jobs will sign up for literally everything. Not exactly an environment conductive to pay increase.
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 12:00
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I'm not talking about now. I think a pilot crunch could be sooner than you think, maybe two years, plus about 6 to 12 months for that realisation to be reflected in pay. I know first hand that at least a couple of big airlines have kept their pilots on the books, not because they are feeling charitable, but because they can see a crewing shortage looming very soon. I personally think wizz will regret letting their true colours being shown.
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 15:15
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The paycuts everyone seem so eager to accept are permanent and youíll never see pay levels rise again. Especially in a non-unionised Eastern European company. Wizz will come out of this crisis stronger than ever with a workforce cheaper than ever. This of course undermines all airline jobs in Europe as everyoneís scrambling to keep up with the ultra low cost idea. Itís never-ending.
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 15:39
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Yes, a pay/demand equilibrium does require that pilots are willing to relocate - if Wizz is the only show in town, and the pilots are a captive market, then can pay whatever they want (to a point where pilots decide no longer to be pilots or relocate). But in places like Luton, there are normally many many options for pilots, and accordingly, the Wizz Luton terms were not that different to easyJet (and wizz had a much more reasonable type rating scheme)
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 16:52
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Willingness to relocate (or lack thereof) is what allows Wizz to run their show however they please across the Eastern European bases where they are often the only carrier who has a crew base in the city/country (or one of two or maximum three carriers). Local pilots aren't exactly spoiled for choice if they want to work out of their home city - and many spend a couple of years in different bases, waiting for their turn to be relocated to their home town. If they're happy to accept whatever Wizz have to offer as long as they're at home every night - well, everyone has their priorities.

The more interesting case studies will be the Western European bases. As Sick rightly mentioned, the London area is an example of a place where multiple employment opportunities are available in normal times. That's where things will get interesting whenever the market picks up. Either the conditions in Western Europe will be a long way better than in Eastern Europe - or there will be a prevailing presence of inexperienced guys ready to take everything to get a foot in the door and high staff turnover in Western Europe.
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Old 5th Dec 2020, 21:37
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It doesnít matter how much the conditions change in the future in this company.
They show their real face. At the beginning they will continue having applications but as someone said letís see in a few months.
everybody has a friend of a friend that knows the history behind the 265 pilots fired in April without reason and without transparency.
Their reputation between the collective of pilots is really bad. And most of Western Europe pilots that were working for other big LCC still working.
I spoke sometimes with other pilots from that companies, non of them has the intention at all to go and fly for Wizzair because all of them has heard about the company and what they did.
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 12:38
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Same story with Ryanair. I knew a bunch of people who always claimed they would never work for them. They all work for them as of today.
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 13:48
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Pearlharbour

I can confirm this...middle east behavior towards to employees and violating law obligations by not paying severance pay to employees who were redundant in Eastern European countries on local contract. Crew was advised not to sue airline in order to be invited back as soon as situation improves. At the end same crew members were refused few months later with no explanation... You don't judge airlines only by redundancies but also how do they behave after they lay off pilots. There is no obligation to keep someone in the company but to avoid to give them something they should legally get...
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