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Flybe Wings 2014

Old 25th Mar 2014, 18:02
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Flybe Wings 2014

Flybe and CTC are to launch their second Flybe wings cadet scheme.

Applications open on the 1st of April.

Flybe Wings | CTC Wings

I have just completed my training on the initial Flybe Wings course at CTC and had a great experience!

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Old 25th Mar 2014, 18:45
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It was only November last year that redundancies in all areas (500?) were announced, so seems strange to be recruiting in such a short time period?
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Old 25th Mar 2014, 18:56
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Welcome news, but it's still going to be too steep for most who don't have help from relatives/friends.

Finding 65k is almost as difficult as finding 90k. And the sponsorship amount of 23k funded by Flybe essentially has to be repaid to them over the first five years of employment (via a salary sacrifice scheme). If you also have to service a 65k loan on top of that then good luck keeping your head above water on a Flybe FO starting salary.

At least they fund the type rating entirely (although with a 3 year 13.5k bond). However, getting a Dash 8 TR will not necessarily help a great deal if it's jets you eventually want to fly, and the process of moving up to heavier stuff would - therefore - be expensive.

For all the above reasons I don't think this would be something for me. All the best to those who do go for it though!
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Old 25th Mar 2014, 20:42
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FLYBE ????

Alarm bells should be ringing everywhere !!
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Old 25th Mar 2014, 21:07
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According to ppjn they are recruiting, however it's quite weird after all those that recently have been cut??
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Old 25th Mar 2014, 22:16
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Hiring new ( read cheap ) cadets on new ( read poor ) T&Cs is better business sense that maintaining mature crews.

Sad.
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 15:03
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Thumbs down

Very annoyed at Flybe going down this route, what happened to recruiting good old modular students getting the opportunity? Now it appears they are going down the cash-cow route for wannabes throwing money at them!!
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 19:26
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Are flybe running this scheme with any other FTOs? Their site wasn't clear whether they are or not.

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Old 28th Mar 2014, 16:31
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I don't see how this can possibly be good news. First they make a load of crews redundant and then they are starting a cadet scheme?!

If you desperately want to give money to CTC and probably by inference to your future employer, then it might be good news!

If they are really short of crew, which I understand from reliable sources that they are, then why not look at people already type rated, or heavens forbid the 100's of qualified pilots already out there? Obviously they cost more money... Good business sense but hardly a glowing endorsement for future long term career prospects. What happens, after you fork out 60-70k? You fly for a few years and the same happens?

Flybe used to be one of my favourite carriers, now I would be equally as hesitant in supporting their business with my hard earned as I would be Ryanair.
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 16:40
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This is wrong. They first get rid of 180 pilots then start up their cadet scheme. Sounds like trying to get cheap labour. Also there are plenty of newly qualified pilots out there who would love to join them...yet they are left In the cold. Awful
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 21:48
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BEWARE!

I'm pretty certain my airline just purchased quite a few of their slots due to their current financial woes. Along with the recent redundancies i'd stay away from this one like the plague.

Would be interesting to go along just to listen to Lee answering these questions...
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Old 29th Mar 2014, 00:27
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Stick to the facts please chaps.

The company had to take drastic measures or it would not be around to offer a scheme via CTC, or offer non type rated jobs, or anything else. The business needed those cuts and fast. Pilots/cabin crew/engineers/management weren't the only cuts they made. The company is actually looking very healthy indeed in a short space of time and there is a requirement to start up these schemes again. The colleagues who left the business all have the opportunity to return to the business and maintain their old seniority place should they want it and Flybe recruit. All those who left and wanted to go on the list to return could do so. Remember the cadets won't be online this year, or next year. This is looking into the future a little bit. Also why is it being dissed? Flybe is one of the genuine employers out there. Everyone else including BA are doing these schemes so what is wrong with Flybe doing it? Too snobby to fly a turbo prop? Don't want a genuine way into the industry? Not many cadets in this industry are offered a full time contract from day one. Pension, type rating, uniform, duty pay, crew food, good career prospects, settled base, car parking, the list goes on. The future is looking very, very good here, but the simple fact of the matter is nobody is forcing anyone to do it. Good luck to those who apply.
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Old 29th Mar 2014, 09:55
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Originally Posted by WingoWango View Post
Type Rating: You don't have to be a genius to realise that the Q400 is a thin rating as regards to jumping straight onto a heavy or other Boeing/Airbus job. But my one counter to this is this past 12months has proved it can be done as a lot of Q400 guys have moved to Jet2, easyJet, Monarch, FlyDubai, Aer Lingus, Sun Express this list goes on. So as I say it is not the best Type on the market, but you can do so if you want.
Did any of those stay in the left hand seat?

Career Prospects: Whilst this has been stagnant the past few years, I anticipate some fairly fast commands and moves into training etc. The money at Flybe is hard at the start of your time, but its does get a bit better. It is nowhere near as well paid as the likes of easyJet (on a proper contract), Monarch etc but i nearly spat my breakfast out with the Jet2 comparison, which is one of the worst paid Boeing jobs in Europe. But thats another thread.
No different to any other airline then, not really a big carrot when you take in to account everything else. As an example, the worst paid Boeing job in Europe has a 24k uplift for a trainer. As a none trainer you will net a minimum of 1k a month more at Jet2, oh and do about 450 hours a year.

Duty pay: Yes. 1.90 an hour paid for all the time you're away from base. With the rosters having a fair bit of night stopping you earn this for 24hrs when away from base. Not a lot of money I agree but does add up a little bit if you're away.
Yes, you're correct. It's been 1.90 for a decade. As an example at the worst paid Boeing job in Europe it's 2.10/hour, not a lot more but the minimum sector pay is 19. So for example the shortest duty at Jet2, a 4 hour shift with 2 sub 1 hour sectors, will earn you more than a 24 hour, 4 or 6 sector, night stop, duty at Flybe.

Settled base: Bases have been thrown into turmoil the past 12months and this is the final week for those bases sadly. With the greatest respect this can only improve as the airline moves forward. But personally my bases moral is a 100% improved and a great place to work.
I hope it continues to improve but their track record suggests it will do otherwise. 4 or 5 forced base changes in 10 years is not unheard of.

I hope Flybe continues to improve but they still face the same problems (minus the expensive pilots) that they have over the last forever, and yes I know management has changed. It's a long way up from the bottom.

You're right though. I didn't earn 20 grand more than I would have at flybe it was about 22, another pay rise next month will see that rise to over 26k.

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Oh, come on! Out of interest have you ever worked for any of the other companies that you mention.
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Old 29th Mar 2014, 16:50
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TurboProps

Pilotfromsheff13 and all just to sit in a dash.

With the greatest respect, I can't believe the snobbery shown by some people who don't even have a fATPL, and yet they're already turning their noses up at turboprops.

Some pilots actually prefer TPs thank you very much.
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Old 29th Mar 2014, 23:25
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Flylo is doomed. They've sold their main access to london to us, we've inherited their routes and started new ones that cover many of theirs. Not what you want as a regional? Alarm bells.
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 07:52
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Back to the OP;


Have a quick trawl around this forum to see what Flybe did to the previous sponsored courses that were chopped due to the company's financial difficulties and ask yourself what your financial Plan B is should recent history repeat itself.


Until the company posts strong financial results showing a return to healthy profits, personally I would sit it out for a year or so, or find another way in.
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 22:29
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As for turning your nose up at a TP, most people I graduated flying school with would be overjoyed to get a look in at flying a battered piston *gasp, shock/horror* single never mind a glass cockpit 78 seat turboprop. It should also be pointed out Flybe don't make cadets join on a "cadet" pay scale or pay for their TR.

Be under no illusion this is an interest free loan, but it's a damn sight safer investment than going self sponsored paying for an Airbus TR and then earning 1000 a month somewhere.

If you want to apply make informed decisions and do so. If you don't, then don't post complete nonsense, just think thanks but no thanks.
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It's not snobbery it's career sense.

If they were roughly the same price would you buy an Aston Martin or a 2CV?
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 08:33
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But they're not roughly the same price. One is 69,000 pound leading to a job with an airline that provides a free (ok bonded) TR and a starting salary of 28,000 on a permanent contract.

The other involves a self sponsored Hail Mary 25,000 airbus/Boeing TR (after already paying 100000 for the course) that in most cases leads to nothing and in the lucky few to a 1000 a month "contract". If you want to take that gamble though, yes your TR may be more marketable a few years down the line, and you can apply to that A380 DEFO position. If that's the decision you make, I wish you all the very best!

Once again, why do we have experienced pilots engaged in a mud slinging match, when this should be about helping guys just starting out make good decisions? (Baseless rumours and ill informed opinions about companies do not aid decision making)
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 12:19
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Isn't the argument rather academic? The type rating is for the type they are offering the placements on. The idea being that you obtain employment with that airline on the type of aircraft that they fly. Paying however much for a type rating is little comfort if you are left looking at nothing more than that type rating every month rather than a wage slip and a logbook full of rapidly increasing hours.
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