Lion air P2F terms to change 2013
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joke!!No wonder Lion Air undercuts Garuda by almost 50% in their ticket prices because they can afford to since the pay to fly F/O is making up for the short fall in revenue. This is a real disgrace to the industry.
And you then earn $1000 USD a month as your salary once checked to line? That's 9.6 million rp. Even some of the senior flight attendants in the major airlines in Indonesia earn more than that. What a joke!
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The revenue management/commercial department in this airline are laughing at pilots signing up to this. You may as well walk around with TW&T written across your forehead. But if daddy owns an oil well and needs to offset profits against tax...............well...........
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There will always be pilots he is willing to fly like that. And of course, companies who will use that scheme.
The worst part (out of my experience), thats guys with rich parents (nothing wrong with that! but), who pay for their whole education, type, LT and so on. The real problem is that they dont even bother to study. They dont know anything of what they SHOULD know!
They do memorize for the exam (questions/answers) and thats it. Our instructor did construct his own test (changed numbers in questions) and all those guys got 15-30%!! Etc - pure guessing! All the questions!!
And its up to rest of the pilots to take it into their hands. If "good" pilots "deny" to fly with those guys - no companies will hire them. Its a matter of 2-3 years before NO ONE will take such a line training, because you guaranteed NOT to get a job after you done.
After all, OUR life depends on that too! Do you want a co-pilot who dont know NOTHING? What if you get ill and he have to land airplane by him self? Do you trust you life to him? Life of all the passengers?
We can not blame industry and expect it to change. We have to do it our self.
Create some kind of International Pilot Union, that will stand against those guys. I know it sound hard or maybe even "stupid and unrealistic", but for me it seems like the only way industry can get back where it was once upon a time.
The worst part (out of my experience), thats guys with rich parents (nothing wrong with that! but), who pay for their whole education, type, LT and so on. The real problem is that they dont even bother to study. They dont know anything of what they SHOULD know!
They do memorize for the exam (questions/answers) and thats it. Our instructor did construct his own test (changed numbers in questions) and all those guys got 15-30%!! Etc - pure guessing! All the questions!!
And its up to rest of the pilots to take it into their hands. If "good" pilots "deny" to fly with those guys - no companies will hire them. Its a matter of 2-3 years before NO ONE will take such a line training, because you guaranteed NOT to get a job after you done.
After all, OUR life depends on that too! Do you want a co-pilot who dont know NOTHING? What if you get ill and he have to land airplane by him self? Do you trust you life to him? Life of all the passengers?
We can not blame industry and expect it to change. We have to do it our self.
Create some kind of International Pilot Union, that will stand against those guys. I know it sound hard or maybe even "stupid and unrealistic", but for me it seems like the only way industry can get back where it was once upon a time.
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The best way to rid this industry of this scourge, is to introduce the 1500 hour airline rule, simply put, no pilot may occupy a seat on a registered airline without at least 1500 hours and an ATP. By the time all these wannebe's get 1500 hours they will not want to pay anybody anything, it will also weed out the real pilots from the dreamers, as they will have to go and instruct or fly humanitarian relief etc for a few years!!
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I think it will move this corruption only lower down the system.
If everyone will start looking for instructor jobs, only those who is paying under the table to CGI will get that job. And who will that be? Parents-sponsored guys, that dont know nothing them self at all.
And few of the smartest kids in the class. But what should rest of the guys do? Not the top-notch, but still good, hard-working students?
And do you want YOUR instructor to have close to 0 knowledge? Well, that exactly what will happen at schools!
If everyone will start looking for instructor jobs, only those who is paying under the table to CGI will get that job. And who will that be? Parents-sponsored guys, that dont know nothing them self at all.
And few of the smartest kids in the class. But what should rest of the guys do? Not the top-notch, but still good, hard-working students?
And do you want YOUR instructor to have close to 0 knowledge? Well, that exactly what will happen at schools!
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Please note our program based in Asia consisting of 500 hours of line training as a B737 NG first officer followed by a 4 year employment contract and whose details were previously emailed to you for information is placed on an indefinite standby status effective January 1, 2013 by our contracted partner airline due to its lack of line training capacity for foreign first officers for the near future which is due to the following:
A high number of local cadets hired by our contracted partner airline with long term bond commitment need to receive line training before starting long term employment with the airline.
Our contracted partner airline has taken over a foreign airline where authorities do not authorize foreign first officers to operate. Local cadets of this foreign airline need to be line trained by our contracted partner airline at its home base before returning to their airline in their home country in Asia.
The scheduled delivery of aircraft to this foreign airline for the years to come with its subsequent local cadet FO line training requirements combined with the scheduled line training of local cadets by our contracted partner airline leaves no room to this contracted partner airline to provide line training to foreign pilots for the near future.
Eagle Jet International is contracted with several B737 partner airlines. As soon as our other partner airlines have provided Eagle Jet with the 2013 program details (schedule, price, etc), corresponding information page will be emailed to you but the next B737 line training class will not take place before February or March at the earliest. There is no need to reply to this email unless you do not wish to receive B737 program updated information once available.
A high number of local cadets hired by our contracted partner airline with long term bond commitment need to receive line training before starting long term employment with the airline.
Our contracted partner airline has taken over a foreign airline where authorities do not authorize foreign first officers to operate. Local cadets of this foreign airline need to be line trained by our contracted partner airline at its home base before returning to their airline in their home country in Asia.
The scheduled delivery of aircraft to this foreign airline for the years to come with its subsequent local cadet FO line training requirements combined with the scheduled line training of local cadets by our contracted partner airline leaves no room to this contracted partner airline to provide line training to foreign pilots for the near future.
Eagle Jet International is contracted with several B737 partner airlines. As soon as our other partner airlines have provided Eagle Jet with the 2013 program details (schedule, price, etc), corresponding information page will be emailed to you but the next B737 line training class will not take place before February or March at the earliest. There is no need to reply to this email unless you do not wish to receive B737 program updated information once available.
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Europe is in a serious recessions... so pilot jobs are scarce. The notion that requiring 1500 hours will change anything is a farce.
It'll just mean that you have 1000's of unemployed pilots competing for very few instructor slots. And most humanitarian flying requires a lot of experience usually.
And now, as expected, some bottom feeding Asian airlines are filling their FO slots with locals. It was bound to happen sooner or later.
Once the locals have enough experienced Captains, then it will be bye-bye expat Captains all around Asia as well...
I don't know who will hurt more... the guys losing their jobs?
Or poor Bing-Bing from the Pink P*ssy Parlor in Bangkok who will see her largest customer base (but poorest tippers) dry up...
We live in interesting times...
It'll just mean that you have 1000's of unemployed pilots competing for very few instructor slots. And most humanitarian flying requires a lot of experience usually.
And now, as expected, some bottom feeding Asian airlines are filling their FO slots with locals. It was bound to happen sooner or later.
Once the locals have enough experienced Captains, then it will be bye-bye expat Captains all around Asia as well...
I don't know who will hurt more... the guys losing their jobs?
Or poor Bing-Bing from the Pink P*ssy Parlor in Bangkok who will see her largest customer base (but poorest tippers) dry up...
We live in interesting times...
