Pilot training good for other jobs?
HR would almost certainly filter you out for being too aviation orientated (perhaps a bit tongue in cheek, but not much), but an ATCO job is not too shabby and the background ATPL reading could make ATCO exams a bit more interesting...
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There's a big difference between wanting to return to your old career because you're waiting for a flying job to turn up or returning because you tried flying and can't/now don't want to do it professionally.
A fATPL on your CV will take quite a bit of explaining, firstly because no-one will know what it is and secondly to then convince them you won't just dash off to become a pilot at the first opportunity.
I guess that's an advantage of the modular route - you can do your training alongside a job to prevent gaps on your CV.
I would also strongly disagree that any of the ATPL exams offer a springboard into a related career. They are just too superficial (although it doesn't feel like that when you're studying for them!) A pass in HPL doesn't qualify you to be an AME any more than one in MET qualifies you to become a weather forecaster, unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by Piltdown Man
C172S - I hope you have not done the exams. The names of the exams have almost nothing to do with the content. A pass in every subject is even more useless than an art's degree. For a start, you wouldn't be eligible to apply for for a job where some numpty has written "Only applicants educated to at least degree level may apply for this pivotal role within this dynamic organisation" in the ad.
The level you study subjects at ATPL is superficially pointless and virtually un-transferable.
The level you study subjects at ATPL is superficially pointless and virtually un-transferable.
I agree that the ATPL curriculum in itself will in most cases be of very limited value outside the cockpit or some other areas of the industry. I'm not aware of any possibilities for getting any credit for it and assume you have to start from the bottom (at least formally) if you want to pursue a degree in meteorology etc. Please correct me if I'm wrong, C172S.
As for commercial pilot training as a whole, I believe it allows you to further develop a range of different qualities depending on your level, i.e. responsibility and skills related to learning, precision, cooperation, communication, SA, tackling relatively high workloads, motor skills and so on. Convincing employers who are not familiar with it can be another matter, though.
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This thread is ridiculous
, I completed my FAtpl on the Friday and had 3 job offers for the next week. At18-20k with bonuses to 30k. And they knew I was going to be Off when an opportunity came. Theres plenty of jobs out there for good people. An it will always be that way.
, I completed my FAtpl on the Friday and had 3 job offers for the next week. At18-20k with bonuses to 30k. And they knew I was going to be Off when an opportunity came. Theres plenty of jobs out there for good people. An it will always be that way.
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is there any reason why you could not do a little more study and become a consultant in Human Limitations/Performance
172 - You clearly haven't done the exams. Or perhaps have little understanding of consulting. The syllabus for ATPL human factors covers less than 1% of what you'd actually need in order to be a consultant in that area. Unless by 'a little more study' you mean 5 years at university....?Same goes for most of the subjects - they merely scratch the surface of the subject area.
From a recruitment perspective it is likely to be a disadvantage.
Jugs08 - did they recruit you because of your fATPL? Or more likely your personality and/or related experience? Yes there are jobs out there, but an fATPL won't help you get one - it is useless outside aviation (and let's face it - pretty useless in Aviation at the moment).
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@john_smith: This is actually a good question - one that deserves a more thoughtful response than ‘duh why did you do the training, etc etc, you make no sense’
Believe it or not, it does happen that one can train for a specific career/ profession, and decide that they no longer wish to proceed with it - be it temporarily, or permanently. It does not take a genius to understand why someone might consider moving on and giving up with aviation at this time. There are frankly many reasons – perhaps try reading your own post again, and thinking about it...
@Sovi3tskiy: I hold a CPL, ME/IR and have completed the 14 written exams (fATPL, if you like), though now work in financial services in London. In my experience, having a professional pilots licence on my CV has aided me professionally in this sector. At the very least, it makes you a slightly more interesting person in the interview, and workplace.
Believe it or not, it does happen that one can train for a specific career/ profession, and decide that they no longer wish to proceed with it - be it temporarily, or permanently. It does not take a genius to understand why someone might consider moving on and giving up with aviation at this time. There are frankly many reasons – perhaps try reading your own post again, and thinking about it...
@Sovi3tskiy: I hold a CPL, ME/IR and have completed the 14 written exams (fATPL, if you like), though now work in financial services in London. In my experience, having a professional pilots licence on my CV has aided me professionally in this sector. At the very least, it makes you a slightly more interesting person in the interview, and workplace.
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having lost my medical in 1994 i can assure you the are no use what so ever.
in fact by 2.5 tonne counter balance fork lift truck rating was.
also no uni or college would recognise it either.
they were tough times
in fact by 2.5 tonne counter balance fork lift truck rating was.
also no uni or college would recognise it either.
they were tough times
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Being a pilot will certainly help you if you wanted to apply to study medicine. Being responsible, comms, team work, long hours, ability to think under pressure, professionalism, lifelong learning, committment etc will all go down very well and almost certainly get you a place at medschool. It's all about how you sell yourself - alot of employers would be looking for those sort of qualities...
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Being a pilot will certainly help you if you wanted to apply to study medicine. Being responsible, comms, team work, long hours, ability to think under pressure, professionalism, lifelong learning, committment etc will all go down very well and almost certainly get you a place at medschool.
). The characteristics you mention above apply to almost any career, and can be developed in a variety of ways.
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UCAS Points for entry = NIL
Mickey is right there are no UCAS points awarded for ATPL exams passes or indeed any pilot qualifications which is unfortunate as it doees require some formal training and examinations.
It may get a tick in the interesting person with alternative interests box though
It may get a tick in the interesting person with alternative interests box though
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I don't even mention flying when it comes to looking for jobs outside aviation, save for a PPL which I just say is a "hobby" and can demonstrate I have the aptitude to fly a plane.. And yes, interesting person with other interests is vital nowadays, but I wouldn't mention it if you've got a comm..
The problem comes in explaining what I've been doing for the last 5 years..
Ideally I shouldn't even be looking for a job outside aviation, but such is life
The problem comes in explaining what I've been doing for the last 5 years..
Ideally I shouldn't even be looking for a job outside aviation, but such is life
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I think you will agree that you have had some useful responses from all aspects. I shall close the thread.
To add my two pennyworth, the training that you receive is commercial aviation pilot specific and although some of it can be of interest outside aviation it is not a transferable qualification. I speak with the experience of two previous careers in excess of 7 years and currently have over 12k hours.
My advice to you is that it would be an expensive and superfluous qualification if you did not want a career in commercial aviation as a pilot.
HWB
I think you will agree that you have had some useful responses from all aspects. I shall close the thread.
To add my two pennyworth, the training that you receive is commercial aviation pilot specific and although some of it can be of interest outside aviation it is not a transferable qualification. I speak with the experience of two previous careers in excess of 7 years and currently have over 12k hours.
My advice to you is that it would be an expensive and superfluous qualification if you did not want a career in commercial aviation as a pilot.
HWB
