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British Airways Future Pilot Programme.

Old 1st Feb 2017, 06:29
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Bottom line is, if something is happening, it's only senior management that know about it.
Anything that school says is obviously unofficial and probably is a while off yet. It does sound like very much though if your rumour is true about just two schools, that FPP will be potentially returning in a different form to before.
Currently the bean counters are at work at BA cutting just about everything, so I'd not be too hopeful for any grand sponsorship scheme. I'd love to be wrong though!
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Old 1st Feb 2017, 07:02
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After BOB, are we looking at P2F?
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Old 1st Feb 2017, 11:01
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I've been told that the FPP is under review, my thoughts are that they might be considering the swap from the ATPL to an MPL course. I believe FPP was only expected to run until 2016 anyway.
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Old 3rd Feb 2017, 18:29
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Originally Posted by planesandthings View Post
Closed indefinitely at the moment as last heard from Lindsay, former recruitment manager. BA continues to go through major changes as an Airline, it's a rather different company to what it was when FPP was first launched, FPP hopefully will return, but who knows if it'll remain the same as previous years.

Can't rule out 2017 but I wouldn't hold your breath for now. A rumour got people excited about A Level Results day 2016 and it turned into absolutely nothing. I'm sure this thread will start buzzing again when there's a new rumour/information.
Thanks for so kind advice! Let's see what happens in that case... Hope some news will turn up as clock ticks
I'm optimistic about they won't start with a P2F scheme... Anyway, all seems to be at senior staff hands'...
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 18:27
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BA are going to be at CTCs next careers event.....
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 20:14
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I must admit, getting the email earlier did make me wonder, but they were at the event last July (when a lot of us expected an announcement about FPP opening) and in the end their presence was as an (S)FO talking more generally about CTC and the career, so don't assume this will be any different. Though Kate's talk was great, so very well worth attending even if this ends up being the extent of the BA involvement in the day.
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 11:29
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All of this is speculation at best. CTC does invite many of their partners and would surely make a bigger thing of this, though I'd like to be proven wrong!

BA has attended the Pilot Careers shows regardless of FPP. Keeping the interest going I guess.

Also the photo I've seen for the event is of BA Cityflyer aircraft. Which hires totally separately to mainline, but through CTC (though most cadet pilots come from FTE)

All will be revealed... or not
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 16:18
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All will be revealed... or not
I'd second that and add: I know many here are looking for definite info and waiting for some news about the scheme. Experience shows (but I've been been wrong before) that it probably wouldn't be the "BA way" for the company to make an announcement that they were "closing" FPP for ever, or for the next X years, since that leaves them victim to fortune ( if there's a sudden upturn in demand for pilots) and the media ("BA stops recruiting").

If it is going to be scrapped it will possible it will just be allowed to "wither on the vine" as part of cost cutting., Certainly if LC says the scheme is "closed indefinitely at the moment" (permalink #3521)that is a pretty big hint, fingers crossed it gets revitalised at some point.
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 18:20
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Who knows what's going to happen, though I do hear that they are going to have a retirement bulge at some point in the near future (and that's from a contact I know who works there).

If all goes to plan, I won't be able to apply for a couple of years since I'm changing career right now. Given my luck, that means BA will probably offer a fully sponsored Lingus-esque gig!
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 19:25
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I do hear that they are going to have a retirement bulge at some point in the near future (and that's from a contact I know who works there).
The problem with so called "retirement bulges" is that they almost never happen. If you take a group of pilots of any age, what tends to happen is that the group is subject to attrition significantly before it reaches compulsory retirement age. Medical failures, early retirement, part time working etc. All of these factors and more besides erode the numbers involved before they reach 65, just as they used to at 60, and 55 before that.
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 20:54
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What Beazlebub said and I agree with his logic. Despite the rumours it's certainly not going to "big" bulge for the forseeable future, 2015 and especially 2016 were exceptional years for recruiting.

The "65ers" are already starting to leave but it's not big numbers, it's a trickle due previous attrition, etc.
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 23:08
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I agree too. BA have seen heavy DEP recruitment in the last few years from places like EZY. Hence opportunities open up there. Last I heard there were some DEP pilots on some sort of waitlist. So yet another retirement bulge or "pilot shortage" will become nothing more than a false headline.
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Old 25th Feb 2017, 01:33
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Doesn't look like BA FPP will return anytime soon.

However, BA/CTC will announce a "tagging" scheme tomorrow at CTC's careers event, where they will be interviewing Whitetail cadets nearing the end of the training for placement with BA.

I'd imagine there will be more details to come tomorrow with the official announcement.

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Old 26th Feb 2017, 00:46
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Yup, sounds like that was all that was announced. BA has done this before though so it's nothing new, another great marketing opportunity for CTC to sell their Whitetail course though, despite the fact the vast majority will end up with the Orange lot with BA taking a small handful of people.
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Old 26th Feb 2017, 03:38
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If someone was pushed to say when FPP would be back, if it is back, would Spring 2018 be a reasonable estimate?
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Old 26th Feb 2017, 11:47
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If someone who had attended to CTC's Open day, could sum up a bit what was shown there... It would be great!
Thank you!
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Old 26th Feb 2017, 12:07
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Hi, the FPP in its former form is not being resurrected I'm afraid. It's a new exclusive arrangement with CTC in that BA will be tagging whitetail cadets at the end of the ground school stage.

The full criteria was as follows:

o 5 GCSE’s at C or above, including English Language, Mathematics and a Science subject (single or double award) excluding general studies

o PLUS EITHER 3 A levels or equivalent, at grades BBC or above (General Studies
excluded)

o OR an Honours degree at 2:2 or higher or a pass or above in a higher degree such as MSc, MA, MPhil, DPhil, PhD or MBA

o If you have equivalent academic qualifications then you will be asked to provide a Letter of Comparability from UK NARIC before attending your first selection day. The Scottish education qualification equivalents are detailed in the FAQ page

• EASA Class 1 medical and able to meet British Airways medical criteria

• A valid passport (with minimum of 12 months before expiry date) allowing unrestricted worldwide travel

• The unrestricted right to live and work in the UK

o No more than 1 ground school fail
o Minimum of 85% average
o No course deferral

• Your height will be between1.57m (5'2") and 1.91m (6'3") with weight in proportion to height (height is accurately determined during the assessment process).

- Based at either Gatwick or Heathrow on the Airbus fleet.

- Tagging currently available to only those cadets in the ground school stage of training at this time.

- CTC placement team to put names forward based on ground school performance.

- Cadets must then pass assessment at waterside.
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Old 26th Feb 2017, 12:20
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GBotley will you applying for that when you finish CTC?
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Old 26th Feb 2017, 12:36
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If someone was pushed to say when FPP would be back, if it is back, would Spring 2018 be a reasonable estimate?

What can be said is as far as BA are concerned there are a load of DEPs waiting in line (in and outside the pool) and the CEO, Alex Cruz is a great believer in cutting costs. FPP was great while it lasted ( for both the individuals and to some extent the corporate image), but when you consider where BA has gone with the likes of catering you'll perhaps see why the aim will be to spend as little on pilot recruitment as possible. Makes sense to me to look at the sort of scheme gbotley suggested if you want to recruit complete newbies, rather than go through the expense of screening and interviewing applicants with little or no proven flying/aviation background.

'If FPP has gone it is a shame though.......

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Old 26th Feb 2017, 13:01
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Well "why should we pay when people are queuing up to pay for themselves" is likely the attitude.

I do often wish we could all get together and agree to not pay anything (i'll keep dreaming lol) ... and watch how all the airlines start paying for us instead. Only in this industry can they get away with the status quo, we do ourselves no favours.
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