Jetairfly Cadet Scheme - Turning The Tide?
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Jetairfly Cadet Scheme - Turning The Tide?
Jetairfly based in Belgium have re-opened their cadet scheme and are accepting applications :-
A career at Jetair?
What I do find interesting however is their attitude to the cadet pilot in their cadet pilot information pack :-
http://www.jetaircareer.be/jetcadet.pdf
Particularly part 1.2 an 1.3.
Hopefully this is a sign that the airlines are starting to realise that how things have been these last few years is an unsustainable way of airlines sourcing new pilots in the long term, especially now that finance is getting harder to come by. Some investment by the airlines and some investment by the cadet with a job at the end is a win win situation for all parties. The airline gets a new pilot, the pilot gets training costs partly subsidised with a job at the end and the schools still maintain a steady stream of pilots to keep them in business.
Just a pity is has taken so long for the airlines to realise this.
A career at Jetair?
What I do find interesting however is their attitude to the cadet pilot in their cadet pilot information pack :-
http://www.jetaircareer.be/jetcadet.pdf
Particularly part 1.2 an 1.3.
1.2 Why some pilot training programs don’t work
In a typical ab initio pilot training program, the trainee has to commit huge amounts of money (80.000€ - 100.000€), time and resources for self sponsored training. Finance by a state or a company is not available. The trainee has to choose a flight training organization (FTO), but has no cue how to choose one.
There is no commitment from the flight school that the pilot will be hired by an airline. As the school is probably not even linked to an airline, the flow of information going both ways is informal, not structured and sometimes even erratic. There is no commitment from the trainee to study hard and become the best possible pilot. Trainees see themselves as “clients to be served” (in fact they “pay the bill”).
Trainees are sometimes “buying” a license via extra training.
But a trainee who does not study very hard will never become a good pilot.
The airlines are not involved, there is no commitment from their part. And the
authorities do not commit any financial resources to pilot training, it is taxed it instead. Almost anyone in the industry realizes that this system does not provide airlines with highly qualified, skilled pilots who can guarantee safety, comfort and economy of flight.
More than once, young licensed pilots in this system are never hired. Their licenses expire and these (ex-)pilots have to look for a job elsewhere. Is this a “fair deal” towards these young men and women? We don’t think so.
In a typical ab initio pilot training program, the trainee has to commit huge amounts of money (80.000€ - 100.000€), time and resources for self sponsored training. Finance by a state or a company is not available. The trainee has to choose a flight training organization (FTO), but has no cue how to choose one.
There is no commitment from the flight school that the pilot will be hired by an airline. As the school is probably not even linked to an airline, the flow of information going both ways is informal, not structured and sometimes even erratic. There is no commitment from the trainee to study hard and become the best possible pilot. Trainees see themselves as “clients to be served” (in fact they “pay the bill”).
Trainees are sometimes “buying” a license via extra training.
But a trainee who does not study very hard will never become a good pilot.
The airlines are not involved, there is no commitment from their part. And the
authorities do not commit any financial resources to pilot training, it is taxed it instead. Almost anyone in the industry realizes that this system does not provide airlines with highly qualified, skilled pilots who can guarantee safety, comfort and economy of flight.
More than once, young licensed pilots in this system are never hired. Their licenses expire and these (ex-)pilots have to look for a job elsewhere. Is this a “fair deal” towards these young men and women? We don’t think so.
1.3 Fair but firm commitments
At Jetairfly, we think the trainee should not pay all the bills and be the “client”. To do so, the commitment of all parties has to change, including ours. This is how we plan to change the business.
After a stringent pilot selection process, Jetairfly offers a number of trainees a cadet pilot contract. A trainee starts his career on the ground, still having to train for the required pilot licenses.
The commitment that Jetairfly gives is unique:
· we give the cadet pilot an airline job from day one
· we partially finance pilot training and make this training financially accessible
to anyone with talent and skills, even if they only have small funds
· we supervise, plan, guide and advise on pilot training
· cadet pilots are given the opportunity to work at Jetairfly during the training, with Jetairfly pilots, ground personnel, training staff, and others
· we train the cadet pilot on our own aircraft once they have the required skills and licenses, assuming we need pilots when they are ready. If not, cadet pilots will at least have an airline job (e.g. on the ground) while waiting to become a commercial airline pilot. The trainees will also remain current (licenses).
The commitment that our training partners give is unique:
· a training program using Jetairfly standards, the highest in the industry
· training methods applied (and copied) by Boeing, Airbus and other commercial airline manufacturers
· newly designed and ultra-efficient flight briefing and debriefing methods
· the best courseware
· the best instructors and examiners available (they are not the “easiest” ones)
· modern and safe training aircraft to train for the latest technology airline fleet in Belgium. Because that is what we operate at Jetairfly.
The commitment that the cadet pilot has to bring to this program is unique:
· talent, skill, intelligence
· the commitment to study and work very hard
· ability to form an excellent team with other people
· good communicator skills
· positive attitude as a trainee, an employee and a pilot
· firm commitment to do anything to become the best
Although the trainee has to commit some financial resources to finance the pilot training, the burden of the training costs is covered by a contract with Jetairfly.
This makes pilot training accessible to anyone with the required skills and talent.
Pilot training is the only training in our country that receives no financial support. It would be fair to have the authorities share at least part of the financial burden. We and our partners continue to work to convince the authorities of the importance of supporting pilot training in creating employment with new high quality jobs.
At Jetairfly, we think the trainee should not pay all the bills and be the “client”. To do so, the commitment of all parties has to change, including ours. This is how we plan to change the business.
After a stringent pilot selection process, Jetairfly offers a number of trainees a cadet pilot contract. A trainee starts his career on the ground, still having to train for the required pilot licenses.
The commitment that Jetairfly gives is unique:
· we give the cadet pilot an airline job from day one
· we partially finance pilot training and make this training financially accessible
to anyone with talent and skills, even if they only have small funds
· we supervise, plan, guide and advise on pilot training
· cadet pilots are given the opportunity to work at Jetairfly during the training, with Jetairfly pilots, ground personnel, training staff, and others
· we train the cadet pilot on our own aircraft once they have the required skills and licenses, assuming we need pilots when they are ready. If not, cadet pilots will at least have an airline job (e.g. on the ground) while waiting to become a commercial airline pilot. The trainees will also remain current (licenses).
The commitment that our training partners give is unique:
· a training program using Jetairfly standards, the highest in the industry
· training methods applied (and copied) by Boeing, Airbus and other commercial airline manufacturers
· newly designed and ultra-efficient flight briefing and debriefing methods
· the best courseware
· the best instructors and examiners available (they are not the “easiest” ones)
· modern and safe training aircraft to train for the latest technology airline fleet in Belgium. Because that is what we operate at Jetairfly.
The commitment that the cadet pilot has to bring to this program is unique:
· talent, skill, intelligence
· the commitment to study and work very hard
· ability to form an excellent team with other people
· good communicator skills
· positive attitude as a trainee, an employee and a pilot
· firm commitment to do anything to become the best
Although the trainee has to commit some financial resources to finance the pilot training, the burden of the training costs is covered by a contract with Jetairfly.
This makes pilot training accessible to anyone with the required skills and talent.
Pilot training is the only training in our country that receives no financial support. It would be fair to have the authorities share at least part of the financial burden. We and our partners continue to work to convince the authorities of the importance of supporting pilot training in creating employment with new high quality jobs.
Just a pity is has taken so long for the airlines to realise this.
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Pre-requisites:
Could someone confirm that any potential applicants are required to have a basic knowledge of English AND French/Dutch ?
To be selected as Cadet Pilot, the candidate will meet the following requirements:
· Criteria:
o Eyesight better than -4/+3, no colour blindness
o Secondary school diploma, a higher degree is a plus
o Insight in mathematics and physics
· Tests
o Language (basic knowledge): English - Dutch – French
o Psychological tests
o Skill test (simulated flight)
· Medical check class 1 (including additional Jetairfly requirements)
· Obtain a training licence in accordance with EASA/BCAA requirements
· Criteria:
o Eyesight better than -4/+3, no colour blindness
o Secondary school diploma, a higher degree is a plus
o Insight in mathematics and physics
· Tests
o Language (basic knowledge): English - Dutch – French
o Psychological tests
o Skill test (simulated flight)
· Medical check class 1 (including additional Jetairfly requirements)
· Obtain a training licence in accordance with EASA/BCAA requirements
Could someone confirm that any potential applicants are required to have a basic knowledge of English AND French/Dutch ?
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Jetairfly is mainly a Dutch speaking company.
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Thanks for the reply d105.
skyways1452, I do understand your question, but I think the answer to your question is that English is the international language of aviation (or at least used all over the world), and as such, Jetairfly would expect you to be competent in English - but as they are based in Belgium, I think it's reasonable they should expect their pilots to be able to communicate with their passengers and ground staff in Dutch/French too.
I have no knowledge of Dutch therefore I can't apply - but I understand why they would require it.
I'm also willing to bet that if you were born and raised in Belgium, you would probably be competent in all 3 languages.
skyways1452, I do understand your question, but I think the answer to your question is that English is the international language of aviation (or at least used all over the world), and as such, Jetairfly would expect you to be competent in English - but as they are based in Belgium, I think it's reasonable they should expect their pilots to be able to communicate with their passengers and ground staff in Dutch/French too.
I have no knowledge of Dutch therefore I can't apply - but I understand why they would require it.
I'm also willing to bet that if you were born and raised in Belgium, you would probably be competent in all 3 languages.
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When I was at JetAirfly a few yrs ago, there was no requirement to speak Dutch or indeed French, just English, having said that there were a lot of FOs from the KLM flight Academy that had bought the whole course for about 120K euro, inc Type on 737, but they WERE PAID albeit only 2500E a month and the contract was then only for 10 Months to allow new intake.
What is a " training licence" I may be wrong but this sounds like a CPL, perhaps someone can shed light for those interested in the Cadet Scheme. TUI is a good company and can be a career company for those without itchy feet.
I don't think JetAir are signalling the end of the SSTR, far from it, they encourage it, but they are saying if you are excepted and you do this, then not ALL the financial burden is on the candidate and there IS a job at the end. Out of interest, they were bonding experienced, typed Captains for 18500 Euro to cover the OCC/ Sims, so the " Value" they put on their bit of training may be not what you expect. Smoke and mrrors, the devil is in the wording. but still a good company
What is a " training licence" I may be wrong but this sounds like a CPL, perhaps someone can shed light for those interested in the Cadet Scheme. TUI is a good company and can be a career company for those without itchy feet.
I don't think JetAir are signalling the end of the SSTR, far from it, they encourage it, but they are saying if you are excepted and you do this, then not ALL the financial burden is on the candidate and there IS a job at the end. Out of interest, they were bonding experienced, typed Captains for 18500 Euro to cover the OCC/ Sims, so the " Value" they put on their bit of training may be not what you expect. Smoke and mrrors, the devil is in the wording. but still a good company
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Coffee,
You're right, a 'basic knowledge' of all three languages is required, after thoroughly reading the brochure. It's a shame as they (seem to) have at least an ounce of respect for their trainees.
You're right, a 'basic knowledge' of all three languages is required, after thoroughly reading the brochure. It's a shame as they (seem to) have at least an ounce of respect for their trainees.
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How about just English and French? 
Originally Posted by JetAir site
The aim of the special aerobatic course is to train the cadet pilot to the standard
defined by Jetairfly for basic aerobatics. This also enables them to pass the
aerobatic skill test administered by a Jetairfly aerobatic examiner. The test can be
taken from the ground (student flying solo) or with the examiner on board. Cadet
pilots may be flying at least a part of the aerobatic training solo.
The module consists of unusual attitude training in general including basic aerobatic
manoeuvres. The training is carried out in a single engine aerobatic aircraft certified
to aerobatic category. The flight time is minimum 5h to maximum 15h plus 1hr check.
Trainees are given a training in accordance with Jetairfly requirements. These
include the ability to fly:
• 2-turn spin with exit recovery in the entry axis within 10°
• looping
• aileron roll
• barrel roll
• immelman or cuban eight (either manoeuvre)
The duration of the aerobatic course is minimum 2 to maximum 4 weeks.
The aerobatic module and aerobatic skill test is completed before the CPL module.
defined by Jetairfly for basic aerobatics. This also enables them to pass the
aerobatic skill test administered by a Jetairfly aerobatic examiner. The test can be
taken from the ground (student flying solo) or with the examiner on board. Cadet
pilots may be flying at least a part of the aerobatic training solo.
The module consists of unusual attitude training in general including basic aerobatic
manoeuvres. The training is carried out in a single engine aerobatic aircraft certified
to aerobatic category. The flight time is minimum 5h to maximum 15h plus 1hr check.
Trainees are given a training in accordance with Jetairfly requirements. These
include the ability to fly:
• 2-turn spin with exit recovery in the entry axis within 10°
• looping
• aileron roll
• barrel roll
• immelman or cuban eight (either manoeuvre)
The duration of the aerobatic course is minimum 2 to maximum 4 weeks.
The aerobatic module and aerobatic skill test is completed before the CPL module.
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SSTR in disguise!!!
Hi
This is just another way to bolster the bank balance of the TUI group/flying school involved. If they they really want the best of the best (as described on their website) from a low houred cpl/ir/mcc holder this is what they can do:
1) Open recruitment on their website to all ex-modular and integrated students with minimum cpl/me-ir/mcc (and TP pilots with experience for that matter).
2)State that they want you to speak x y z language and prefer degree holders, diploma holders, gigolos etc etc... you get my drift
3) Have a bloody tough selection process, to weed out the majority.
4)Give them a tough sim check
5)Offer the "cream of the cream" a job!!!!
But no. Lets do a four year cadet course and possibly place them with our airline in a flying role but definitely at least a ground job when they qualify. Their solution is to place more qualified pilots on the market when there are already thousands unemployed. Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!
This is just another way to bolster the bank balance of the TUI group/flying school involved. If they they really want the best of the best (as described on their website) from a low houred cpl/ir/mcc holder this is what they can do:
1) Open recruitment on their website to all ex-modular and integrated students with minimum cpl/me-ir/mcc (and TP pilots with experience for that matter).
2)State that they want you to speak x y z language and prefer degree holders, diploma holders, gigolos etc etc... you get my drift
3) Have a bloody tough selection process, to weed out the majority.
4)Give them a tough sim check
5)Offer the "cream of the cream" a job!!!!
But no. Lets do a four year cadet course and possibly place them with our airline in a flying role but definitely at least a ground job when they qualify. Their solution is to place more qualified pilots on the market when there are already thousands unemployed. Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!
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Excuse me to ask, but where do they state that they might take you when you have the licences? I thought they only took 10 to be sure they everyone would fly in the end.
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I'm just amazed that even though they have plenty of good pilots beating on their door who are already qualified, they choose to spend money on a cadet programme...presumably to insure that only Belgian pilots are recruited.
A good way of getting round the mandatory EU law of giving equal status to all EU member citizens when recruiting for a position...
A good way of getting round the mandatory EU law of giving equal status to all EU member citizens when recruiting for a position...
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Anybody heared anything yet from JAF ?
I called them today and they told me that I should hear anything from them very soon but how are they going to do the selections when they want to start the class in September ?
ps. I ask the woman on the other side of the line what kinda level of french they want(Im from the Netherlands so Dutch/English are fine). I can read perfect french and im ok at speaking but the woman told me I have to practice on the french to speak it fluent
I called them today and they told me that I should hear anything from them very soon but how are they going to do the selections when they want to start the class in September ?
ps. I ask the woman on the other side of the line what kinda level of french they want(Im from the Netherlands so Dutch/English are fine). I can read perfect french and im ok at speaking but the woman told me I have to practice on the french to speak it fluent
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Hi,
I must agree with maxed-out.
I think there are about 800 Belgian qualified Belgian pilots looking for a job as a pilot.
From this 800, no doubt, there are many good and intelligent pilots. And from these good intelligent pilots, probably even a few who want to ‘pay2fly’.
So why this cadet-training? There is no need. There are enough,no…way too many pilots available. So no, it’s NOT a good sign.
I believe it’s a way to keep someone working in a ground-function for 4 years at least. The trainee will never dare to complain. And the company “pays” him partly with training. This reduces the labourcost. Brilliantly seen.
I got the image of a cart driver dangling a carrot in front of a mule and holding a stick behind it.
Maybe another reason is the board wants a nice small twin for themselves… Just guessing :-)
There’s nothing positif. Another kick in the face for the already qualified pilots. Smart new method to take advantage of wannabe pilots.
I must agree with maxed-out.
I think there are about 800 Belgian qualified Belgian pilots looking for a job as a pilot.
From this 800, no doubt, there are many good and intelligent pilots. And from these good intelligent pilots, probably even a few who want to ‘pay2fly’.
So why this cadet-training? There is no need. There are enough,no…way too many pilots available. So no, it’s NOT a good sign.
I believe it’s a way to keep someone working in a ground-function for 4 years at least. The trainee will never dare to complain. And the company “pays” him partly with training. This reduces the labourcost. Brilliantly seen.
I got the image of a cart driver dangling a carrot in front of a mule and holding a stick behind it.
Maybe another reason is the board wants a nice small twin for themselves… Just guessing :-)
There’s nothing positif. Another kick in the face for the already qualified pilots. Smart new method to take advantage of wannabe pilots.
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Well, has anyone heard anything yet? 
Seems like a fun scheme. I speak English and French, no Dutch unfourt, but hope they will consider the app anyway.
Good day!
Seems like a fun scheme. I speak English and French, no Dutch unfourt, but hope they will consider the app anyway.Good day!
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I have been on the phone with Jetairfly and concluded the following things:
- During your course, you work at Brussels Airport fulltime, 5 days a week from Monday to Friday. You go to school on 2 evenings during the week and the entire Saturday
- This intensive job is required to, in fact, pay back the course to Jetairfly. This means you do not get any allowance from this job.
- That means it is really difficult for someone not living in Belgium to pay your life. You need somewhere to live, and you need food. But the bank will not allow you a loan when you do not have any income.
- The application is indeed finished
- It is not clear whether there is going to be another application in Summer 2012
- During your course, you work at Brussels Airport fulltime, 5 days a week from Monday to Friday. You go to school on 2 evenings during the week and the entire Saturday
- This intensive job is required to, in fact, pay back the course to Jetairfly. This means you do not get any allowance from this job.
- That means it is really difficult for someone not living in Belgium to pay your life. You need somewhere to live, and you need food. But the bank will not allow you a loan when you do not have any income.
- The application is indeed finished
- It is not clear whether there is going to be another application in Summer 2012
