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Old 7th Mar 2011, 13:03
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New Flybe Mpl Sponsorship Course

FTE-FLYBE PART SPONSOR MPL
Flight Training Europe Jerez

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A message from Captain Ian Baston, Chief Pilot
Welcome to the Partially Sponsored Airline Pilot Scheme and MPL course run in conjunction with Flybe, one of Europe’s leading regional airlines. I am Captain Ian Baston, Chief Pilot, charged by the airline to manage the recruitment of flight deck crews. The Partially Sponsored scheme has been developed with our training partner, Flight Training Europe, to provide a source of quality pre-selected pilots to crew our Bombardier Q400 aircraft. You will undertake training under the Multi-crew Pilots Licence (MPL) route to the right hand seat of a Flybe Q400. This course has been specifically designed to teach you all of the key elements necessary for you to successfully transition to a Flybe flightdeck.
During your training in Jerez, your progress will be mentored throughout the course by the Flybe Liaison Pilot, First Officer David Howie. As the final phase of this course, students will undergo a fully Flybe funded Q400 Type Rating course.
In addition to the support outlined in the above paragraph, those successful for the Partially Sponsored Airline Scheme will receive an additional sponsorship from Flybe of GBP £19,800.00, repayable out of salary over the first five years of employment.
Selection will follow the same format and battery of tests as in previous Flybe/FTE schemes. The top six candidates will be offered positions on the course to commence training at Jerez on 1st of July 2011.
The prospects within the airline for pilot progression are excellent and allow for faster than average progress into the Commander’s seat.
May I take this opportunity to wish you every success with your application and the selection process.
Ian Baston
Chief Pilot
Flybe
Schemes Description
The Partially Sponsored Airline Pilot Scheme is well established as a Flybe/FTE cooperative program for low hour entry to Flybe. This is a great opportunity for people who want to be involved in working in a fast paced, hi-tech airline that offers significant opportunities and benefits to its staff.
Flybe operate the Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 aircraft, which is an extraordinarily modern technology turboprop. The Q400 offers comfort for up to 78 passengers with a maximum cruise speed of 370 kts. Its combination of speed, comfort and fuel economy allows it to compete effectively with any jet on an airline route less than 500 miles (800 km).

Candidate Profile
We are looking for high calibre, motivated individuals who are keen to work for one of Europe’s largest regional airlines.
To be eligible for this scheme you must have a minimum of 2 A-Level passes, Grade C or above (or equivalent), and have 5 GSCE passes including Maths, English and a Science subject at Grade C or above, as well as the right to live and work in the UK.
Student Involvement
If successful you will have to fund FTE’s MPL programme.
The price for this course is GBP79,000. Candidates may elect to pay in either Euros or Sterling. Please contact FTE if you would like details of the Euro price.
The price is inclusive of the following:
Accommodation and Full Board
Full uniform (except shoes)
1st attempt, ground and flying JAR exams
Renewal of the JAA Class One Medical
All training material
Landing and navigation fees
Free Internet access
No additional accommodation charge in the unlikely event of delay in training due to adverse weather
VAT
FTE can assist with advice on finance options.
Benefit to the student
Throughout the training, the Flybe student’s performance will not only be monitored by FTE’s training team, but there will also be an oversight by Flybe’s assigned liaison Pilot.
If successful throughout the training at FTE no further selection will be required by Flybe and you will flow straight into a Q400 type rating course as a part of the MPL training.
Selection Timescales and Travel
Candidates will be able to apply from the 7-20th March 2011 inclusive. Should you meet initial criteria you will be forwarded, via email, a series of questions, which must be returned within the specified period.
Should your application be successful in progressing to the next phase you will be required to travel, at your own expense, to Flybe’s headquarters at Exeter. Currently this one day selection phase is expected to take place between the 9th–12th April inclusive.
The final element of the selection process will be a Flybe airline interview. This will, once again, take place in Exeter between the 3rd and 5th May inclusive.
Feedback
Throughout the selection process, you will be advised as to whether or not your application has been progressed to the next stage. However, due to the large number of applications, neither Flybe nor Flight Training Europe will be in a position to give individual detailed feedback on your performance.
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Straight to Q400? guaranteed if you succeed?
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If successful throughout the training at FTE no further selection will be required by Flybe and you will flow straight into a Q400 type rating course as a part of the MPL training.
Thats what is says! Just cutting and pasting from the website!
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OAA, PTC and now FTE. The scheme looks good, but why won't Flybe settle on one FTO?
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They use all of them including CabAir to get a constant flow of pilots
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do you have to have a minimum of 60 hours flying time,as i was looking at this course for when i leave school but i am doing my ppl at the moment and when i get it i want to be able to fly with it
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So what are everyone's views on the MPL? I've got to say I feel a little mixed. I'm not sure I like the idea of being restricted to the multi-pilot crew only.
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You don't need any experience. 60 hours is the maximum experience that Flybe allows for those who have some.

PilotUnknown - Tell me what single-piloted airliner you would like to fly instead of a multi-piloted one? I don't of any that exist! An MPL unfreezes under the exact criteria that a CPL/IR does. The requirements for an MPL holder to move to another airline are identical to the requirements for a CPL/IR holder to move.

The only thing you have to fear is the airline going bust before you get the licence. You'd have the same fear if you were doing a CPL/IR. Flybe require the FTO to agree to fund a conversion to CPL/IR if the CAA pulls the plug on MPL or if Flybe go bust before the MPL cadets get their licence. So either you end up with an MPL and a job with Flybe or a CPL/IR and hunting for a job with the FTO's backing. That's not a whole lot different than your odds of doing it off your own back without being tagged, except Flybe happens to be quite a financially sound airline, so probably a good bet they won't go bust.
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If successful you will have to fund FTE’s MPL programme.
The price for this course is GBP79,000.


Can anyone give an answer to the desire to start an MPL program ?

here's a tip, is there shortage right now of pilots, cadets, low time, high time, with time on type, or willing to spring for a TR looking for a right seat job?



anyone who goes for an MPL should keep a few pounds back for a ball gag and gimp mask to go along with it.

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Dear Captain Baston,

Thank you (yet again) for ignoring the 1000+ unemployed, fully qualified young British pilots who have been waiting for you to open up your doors for years. No, you don't owe anyone anything - that is certainly true. But one thing you are surely guilty of is joining the club of the toffee nosed elitest mob (well founded already at BA, EZ, Monarch etc) who seem to think that any pilot trained outside of prison (I mean integrated flight school) is of sh*t quality.

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Absolutely well said Superpilot. I know a lot of very capable unemployed pilots who just cannot get a job.

Either because they are discrimated through age, cannot pay for a type rating or did'nt go and do a fancy mpl course at an extortionate cost.


What an industry.
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Superpilot

Again, couldn't agree more. There are thousands of fully qualified pilots out there who are currently either unemployed or working as a part time flight instructor or flying light twins who have been waiting patiently for the past 4 years for an airline job. It is so disheartening to see these schemes start up, its positive in a way because it probably means airlines are thinking business will increase soon and they need pilots for expansion but when you have been slogging away for 4 years in an underpaid flying job just waiting for the opportunity to even show yourself in front of an interview panel it sucks. When there are thousands of already qualified guys out there why are they looking to train more to fill future vacancies??????
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Its the same in all industries, if you graduated from Oxford or Cambridge etc. you will be a top dog. Everything else is treated as a second class education. Sadly.
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I don't think the plug will be blocked by a few MPL or CPL/IR students being taken into the company in well over a year from now. Sure as hell didn't back in 2006/7. As things pick up pilots will leave Flybe. Then the doors will have to re-open. Its just a matter of when. The CPL/IR does not include a TR. The MPL does....its part of getting a MPL license. Thus it's as near a sure thing of employment that it could be. more so than the CPl/IR. Plagues of locusts and the like permitting etc etc.


As for Ball gags and the like......had a recent nightstop in BKK have we??
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Devil You can't polish a ....

The "approved/intergrated" schools are NOT Oxford and Cambridge!!!!!

Just because you paid absolute top dollar (or GBP/Euro) for your training does not mean it was the best!

I must say I was surprised to see a letter in a recent Flight magazine where a former CTC cadet was claiming he was superbly trained to handle any JAR 25 Aircraft flight upset because he had done around 4 hours in a mildly aerobatic light aeroplane way back in 2006 which was somehow much better than a new KLM proposal to send student to Arizona for a dedicated course in that very subject!

At least KLM recognise the need for such training (they used to own Aerobatic T67 Fireflies for their in house training some years back) based on recent tragic events in other airlines.

The EASA MPL does not require any solo time - so potentially the first time an MPL graduate flies solo it will be a real emergency.

That TR will be tied in to a specific Airlines SOPs so it is not directly transferable to other airlines. Note that Flybe expect to take that £20k out of your low salary which is payment on top of the £80k you front up to the school

So all in all it's a good route for both the School's and the Airline accountants' balance sheets! But not so good for your own financial long term health.
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Well if airlines what ab-initio students on schemes they have two choices in there minds. Take CPL/IR ab-initio 200 hours with only 50 hours actually spent alone in an aircraft, learning to fly single pilot ops on pistons. Or, 240 hour students who have been imersed in the world of complex swept wing high performance multi-pilot ops(albeit simulated)....exactly where they are about to find themselves after completing the basic and inermediate phases.....hmmm i wonder what they will go for. Not that i'm saying CPl/IR is inferior in any way what so ever. But if airlines what minimal risk in terms of training, bringing students into employment, I think the MPL will gain significant momentum.

There is some solo time included in MPL and upset training on the Flybe course.

There is a pdf about why the MPL is here on the Flybe recruitment page.

If the MPL route is inferior.....why have the CAA issues the first licenses already??

Will I die if my Capt dies??? no. has another pilot died or been incap'd whilst line flying......not on my ship. We train for pilot incap in the sim. thats the last time I 'flew solo' for a long time. We tend to be living longer as humans....a bugger for early retirement, short of winning the lotto!
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The EASA MPL does not require any solo time - so potentially the first time an MPL graduate flies solo it will be a real emergency.
Sure the base requirements don't have any solo time, but I bet my bollacks to a barn dance that every integrated school the MPL is run at puts a fair bit of solo time into the syllabus.

Clutching straws really, aren't we.
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Adios - There are several trilanders flights who currently only have one pilot! There are at least two airlines who operate these trilanders from the channel islands alone.

Also if the s%$t ever hit the fan and you were made redundant it would be good to have the choice of taking on jobs like glider towing or other single pilot - non airline jobs.

I'd be interested to know what you could / would need to do to get this restriction lifted from your license and how much it would cost!
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joining the club of the toffee nosed elitest mob (well founded already at BA, EZ, Monarch etc)
Yawn,

Oddly enough it is only the SSP cadets who have to have been to 'integrated' to join BA. There are many who joined from a integrated (HR wished it to be so) whilst their mates from various other sources (modular, self improvers, military etc.) went to other outfits. Then their mates joined BA as DEP's from those outfits when the minimum critera were met and leap frogged the SSP guys on the payscales. There are many, many FO's in BA from a whole variety of backgrounds recruited over the past 5 years or so.

Careful what you preach as its mostly twaddle.
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Anyway...

Do you have any idea on how important is the 3 days deadline, for answering the questions? within 3 days...

that means If you activate your links on wednesday morning and you send your answers on Saturday at noon, you're off?
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