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Does anyone know the exact logic behind FR calls ?? I have applied since months and never received any call despite my experience (not age and instructional background in terms of diploma and degree) is exactly the same to the one of some friends who have been called right after a couple of weeks from the application...
Do they have a sort of slot machine ? Any kind of applicants auto-generating software ? Do they analyze and pass through all of the applications ?
Do they have a sort of slot machine ? Any kind of applicants auto-generating software ? Do they analyze and pass through all of the applications ?
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From speaking with friends and initial training colleagues there seems to be something of a lottery to the whole business.
Every company has its recruitment policies and filters which, understandably, are kept very much to a need to know basis and so I would say that it is unfair to say that there is absolutely no process. Notwithstanding this, however, I have been told by a friend (older and maybe wiser) that in their past experience the recruitment of low-hours pilots involved a notice board, some beers, a group of captains, some CVs and a set of pub-arrows!
Setting speculation aside I can only attest to two observations:
1. There is a high chance of OAA grads getting a call within weeks i.e. 8 - 10 weeks, of final flight
2. That chance seems to diminsh with increasing proximity to, and after crossing, a well known wall in Northumberland and other northern English counties, but absolutely does not disappear altogether.
That is just, JUST, an observation.
Every company has its recruitment policies and filters which, understandably, are kept very much to a need to know basis and so I would say that it is unfair to say that there is absolutely no process. Notwithstanding this, however, I have been told by a friend (older and maybe wiser) that in their past experience the recruitment of low-hours pilots involved a notice board, some beers, a group of captains, some CVs and a set of pub-arrows!
Setting speculation aside I can only attest to two observations:
1. There is a high chance of OAA grads getting a call within weeks i.e. 8 - 10 weeks, of final flight
2. That chance seems to diminsh with increasing proximity to, and after crossing, a well known wall in Northumberland and other northern English counties, but absolutely does not disappear altogether.
That is just, JUST, an observation.
max cont- I didn't understand a word of what you just said!
FR does NOT care if you're an oxford grad or not- if you have a blue book, you have the same chance as the next guy.
Glag refers to his 'experience' which I take to mean, he/she is possibly looking for a DEC position. RYR does not currently employ experienced FO's, and surely Glag (if he is a fresh faced 200 hr newbie) wouldn't refer to his 'experience' if he only had 200 hrs.
In addition, if you are applying for a DEC position, FR doesn't care if you have their minimum DEC requirements or 10 times as much. It's more down to what you write on your application, and potentially the level of your english language. I can tell for sure that Glag is not a native english speaker, and while you do not have to be an english native speaker to join the company, being able to speak, understand and write it, is something they are very hot on. If your english on your application isn't up to scratch, that could easily be a reason why you haven't been called.
Your spelling is fine, but grammar is a bit off.
Good luck, don't wish too hard mind, your wish might come true haha
FR does NOT care if you're an oxford grad or not- if you have a blue book, you have the same chance as the next guy.
Glag refers to his 'experience' which I take to mean, he/she is possibly looking for a DEC position. RYR does not currently employ experienced FO's, and surely Glag (if he is a fresh faced 200 hr newbie) wouldn't refer to his 'experience' if he only had 200 hrs.
In addition, if you are applying for a DEC position, FR doesn't care if you have their minimum DEC requirements or 10 times as much. It's more down to what you write on your application, and potentially the level of your english language. I can tell for sure that Glag is not a native english speaker, and while you do not have to be an english native speaker to join the company, being able to speak, understand and write it, is something they are very hot on. If your english on your application isn't up to scratch, that could easily be a reason why you haven't been called.
Your spelling is fine, but grammar is a bit off.
Good luck, don't wish too hard mind, your wish might come true haha
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VJW...
You may consider me chastened and rightly so. I am guilty of launching into an inapproriate response to the question asked and showing myself guilty of failure to read, and understand, the information before me.
I proffer my apologies and plead mitigation on the basis of a bad week and and an excess of Bombay's finest.
For low-houred applicants I stand by my points but for the matter-in-hand I defer to you.
You may consider me chastened and rightly so. I am guilty of launching into an inapproriate response to the question asked and showing myself guilty of failure to read, and understand, the information before me.
I proffer my apologies and plead mitigation on the basis of a bad week and and an excess of Bombay's finest.
For low-houred applicants I stand by my points but for the matter-in-hand I defer to you.
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While I defer to your answer to the above question given my admitted failing, I suggest you check your use of "your" and "you're" before advising anyone further on that matter...
While I defer to your answer to the above question given my admitted failing, I suggest you check your use of "your" and "you're" before advising anyone further on that matter...
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VJW,
I currently have 250 hours, so in this sense I'm really quiet the same to many other guys out there...Intgrated ATPL, ICAO level 4...No real reason for not being called...
Anyone has other inputs ?
I currently have 250 hours, so in this sense I'm really quiet the same to many other guys out there...Intgrated ATPL, ICAO level 4...No real reason for not being called...
Anyone has other inputs ?
No reason at all for not being called, other then you are one of hundreds of applications they receive on a monthly basis.
I think with your experience, you're in the the lotto like many others.
Good luck
I think with your experience, you're in the the lotto like many others.
Good luck
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I find it strange how some people get called just after a few weeks while others wait for years and never get called even if their experiences are similar or even identical.
Wouldn't it make sense to contact people in chronological order as long as they meet the criteria?
Maybe they are doing it alphabetically, so people with last names starting with Z etc. never get called due to the continuous flow of applications
Wouldn't it make sense to contact people in chronological order as long as they meet the criteria?
Maybe they are doing it alphabetically, so people with last names starting with Z etc. never get called due to the continuous flow of applications
Or....perhaps they don't want you? Maybe that's the answer.
They don't tell you if you don't meet their requirements (and by that I'm not only talking about flight experience). You only know if they invite you for interview.
If you apply the same time as a friend with the same experience, and they get called, and you don't after a few months, perhaps the answer isn't so hard to guess?
Harsh yes, but also true perhaps?
RYR doesn't accept EVERYONE for interview/assessment just because they have 200 hrs, as much as people on this forum would have you believe.
They don't tell you if you don't meet their requirements (and by that I'm not only talking about flight experience). You only know if they invite you for interview.
If you apply the same time as a friend with the same experience, and they get called, and you don't after a few months, perhaps the answer isn't so hard to guess?
Harsh yes, but also true perhaps?
RYR doesn't accept EVERYONE for interview/assessment just because they have 200 hrs, as much as people on this forum would have you believe.
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You definitely have a point.
However when you look at their application form there is nowhere for you to write any sort of cover letter or anything. So if two people have identical experience I guess the only factors that remain to differentiate between the two would be the number of flight tests / exams failed etc. and perhaps their CV's!
Perhaps they are really strict on pass rates etc, and that's why many applicants haven't heard from them..
However when you look at their application form there is nowhere for you to write any sort of cover letter or anything. So if two people have identical experience I guess the only factors that remain to differentiate between the two would be the number of flight tests / exams failed etc. and perhaps their CV's!
Perhaps they are really strict on pass rates etc, and that's why many applicants haven't heard from them..
Minimim- did you pass everything first time completely during flight training? If not, then sure maybe they can be picky. There's probably plenty that passed everything first time also applying, so if you have to choose between two application forms, I guess that's one way to differentiate.
Girls applying- I'm not going to comment too much, although I can say there are not that many female flight crew that I'm aware of.
Girls applying- I'm not going to comment too much, although I can say there are not that many female flight crew that I'm aware of.
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VJW, I am not in the same boat as the OP even though my posts might have indicated that. I have actually applied but that is just a week ago, it's still too early for me to have concerns! I am just curious to know if there is any logic behind their invitation process as I do not want to randomly have to wait for a year before being called if I meet their criteria.
I did pass first attempt on everything throughout my training though, so if that happens to be one of the things they go by I guess it's a good thing for me.
I did pass first attempt on everything throughout my training though, so if that happens to be one of the things they go by I guess it's a good thing for me.
i think your half right maxcontinuous
all new fo's i ve flown with recently say under 500 hours experience have been OAA trained. Bit of a change from a few years ago but a sign of the times (Ryanairs been the only consistant recruiter for a while now).
However my accent is from north of Hadrians Wall so not no bias there!
all new fo's i ve flown with recently say under 500 hours experience have been OAA trained. Bit of a change from a few years ago but a sign of the times (Ryanairs been the only consistant recruiter for a while now).
However my accent is from north of Hadrians Wall so not no bias there!
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RYR doesn't accept EVERYONE for interview/assessment just because they have 200 hrs, as much as people on this forum would have you believe.
so what is the logic behind ? Any clue ?