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Low time pilot job
Hello every one...
I'm new to PPRuNe. This is my first post where i used to read all the post being as a non member of the forum. So please forgive me if i would have thread it in wrong forum.
My story is I have finished my CPL with F ATPL by spending 100,000 AUD in which 30,000 we borrowed from our relatives. But no job for low time pilots. Can some please put in the information about the companies hiring low timers like me now. Feeling like committing suicide. Please some one help me. I strongly believe that the posts in here will definitely help hundreds of unemployed pilots like me.
Thanks.
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I'm new to PPRuNe. This is my first post where i used to read all the post being as a non member of the forum. So please forgive me if i would have thread it in wrong forum.
My story is I have finished my CPL with F ATPL by spending 100,000 AUD in which 30,000 we borrowed from our relatives. But no job for low time pilots. Can some please put in the information about the companies hiring low timers like me now. Feeling like committing suicide. Please some one help me. I strongly believe that the posts in here will definitely help hundreds of unemployed pilots like me.
Thanks.
Please do not offend.....
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i have no particular hint for your region but my general hint is - go for everything. here in germany after finishing school i also experienced a hard time trying to find a company that will take me with zero hours experience.
be careful of the cheaters who may tell you to pay yourself for a typerating on a 737 or a320 and then you will have your dreamjob. nevertheless for your first job you may be confrontated to pay the rating or at least parts of it.
every job where you get paid and will not have to tay to fly is fantastic for the first time, regardless of aircraft type. the clue is to get hours and experience, then the market will open for you.
good luck, i also had this situation !
be careful of the cheaters who may tell you to pay yourself for a typerating on a 737 or a320 and then you will have your dreamjob. nevertheless for your first job you may be confrontated to pay the rating or at least parts of it.
every job where you get paid and will not have to tay to fly is fantastic for the first time, regardless of aircraft type. the clue is to get hours and experience, then the market will open for you.
good luck, i also had this situation !
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Sorry to be brutally honest but..
I doudt it will help hundreds because there isn't hundreds of low timer jobs out there.
In the UK there must be at least getting on for hundreds applying for each job. There would be more but they don't advertise them and only leave the recruiting window open for a small period. And to be honest I suspect they will have already choosen the pilot, but have to be seen to jump through the hoops to comply with discrimination law. The pay to fly schemes are different.
The best way is to start networking with likely companys for your services. You also have to get out of this "we are all in the same boat mentality". It is a brutal rat race out there and like it or not you are in competion with your flying mates. You have to think outside the box and not just sit on your backside moaning.
I doudt it will help hundreds because there isn't hundreds of low timer jobs out there.
In the UK there must be at least getting on for hundreds applying for each job. There would be more but they don't advertise them and only leave the recruiting window open for a small period. And to be honest I suspect they will have already choosen the pilot, but have to be seen to jump through the hoops to comply with discrimination law. The pay to fly schemes are different.
The best way is to start networking with likely companys for your services. You also have to get out of this "we are all in the same boat mentality". It is a brutal rat race out there and like it or not you are in competion with your flying mates. You have to think outside the box and not just sit on your backside moaning.
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Young man / lady,
I'm not sure if you are a troll, or genuine, but if you are in fact genuine, it's time for a reality check. (However I am fairly certain you must be a troll). I'm in the same position as you, qualified over 3 years, and things just keep getting worse. Never had a single interview despite numerous, and I mean numerous highly placed contacts, trying to help. There are no thriving economies except maybe China and India. I know former XL pilots who are are dotted all over the world, some being paid little over 15k (UK). Why would we get jobs on low wages when experienced guys will do it for the same price. I don;t think the solution you hope for will exist for years.
Solution: you need a plan B career for several years, unless you are one of the few lucky ones. Nothing is for ever. Take it on the chin for now. This is not meant in anyway as criticism. Unfortunately, you are one of many thousands I'm afraid. See WeesleyWeeWelshman
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I'm not sure if you are a troll, or genuine, but if you are in fact genuine, it's time for a reality check. (However I am fairly certain you must be a troll). I'm in the same position as you, qualified over 3 years, and things just keep getting worse. Never had a single interview despite numerous, and I mean numerous highly placed contacts, trying to help. There are no thriving economies except maybe China and India. I know former XL pilots who are are dotted all over the world, some being paid little over 15k (UK). Why would we get jobs on low wages when experienced guys will do it for the same price. I don;t think the solution you hope for will exist for years.
Solution: you need a plan B career for several years, unless you are one of the few lucky ones. Nothing is for ever. Take it on the chin for now. This is not meant in anyway as criticism. Unfortunately, you are one of many thousands I'm afraid. See WeesleyWeeWelshman
posts. The oracle!
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Aitr, which country are you trying to find work in?
If it's Australia then there's a couple of options.
1. Instruct (after obtaining an instructor rating - and hopefully getting a job)
2. Station flying. You'll have to read papers to find stations looking for a station hand that can fly.
3. Scenic/charter flying. Head to the North West and look for a job. The season is pretty much over for this year but it's worth doing the ground work for next year.
If it's Australia then there's a couple of options.
1. Instruct (after obtaining an instructor rating - and hopefully getting a job)
2. Station flying. You'll have to read papers to find stations looking for a station hand that can fly.
3. Scenic/charter flying. Head to the North West and look for a job. The season is pretty much over for this year but it's worth doing the ground work for next year.
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Unfortunately I think Wangus has hit the nail on the head....
Yeah things are improving, very very slowly....it remains to be seen if the improvement will continue (esp in the UK after the recent budget announcements) but lets hope so.
However, there's a ton of experienced guys out there who are also getting desperate. Its been over 2 years for me since licence conversion from ICAO (and I have 1000+ hours of air taxi) and despite some potential leads, its been a rather baron journey to date. Recession is indeed an unfortunate thing!
For freshly minted fATPL, the career plan B while keeping current has to be the way to go for now IMHO. The keeping current bit is key though - fly on weekends, instruct if you can survive on the pay (I couldn't unfortunately!) or seek out other sources (e.g. Para flying) Don't let IR or ME lapse if you can help it.
At some point, we all have to get lucky right? ;-)
Yeah things are improving, very very slowly....it remains to be seen if the improvement will continue (esp in the UK after the recent budget announcements) but lets hope so.
However, there's a ton of experienced guys out there who are also getting desperate. Its been over 2 years for me since licence conversion from ICAO (and I have 1000+ hours of air taxi) and despite some potential leads, its been a rather baron journey to date. Recession is indeed an unfortunate thing!
For freshly minted fATPL, the career plan B while keeping current has to be the way to go for now IMHO. The keeping current bit is key though - fly on weekends, instruct if you can survive on the pay (I couldn't unfortunately!) or seek out other sources (e.g. Para flying) Don't let IR or ME lapse if you can help it.
At some point, we all have to get lucky right? ;-)
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Whatever you do, stay as close to the aviation world as you can. Effective networking is just about the only way a low timer can get a flying job in the current market. If it can work for me, there's a possibility it can work for you.
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Thanks for all your replies guys....
I'm an Indian holding CASA F ATPL. Doesn't really mind working for any countries even in any type of companies as a pilot....
I'll follow it up...
I'm an Indian holding CASA F ATPL. Doesn't really mind working for any countries even in any type of companies as a pilot....
I'll follow it up...
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Aitr,
Having the licence is one thing, having the right to work is another. Before spending more money, find out what countries you can work in and then research the employment situation.
As you've probably gathered, it's tough out there at the moment for low houred guys. However, unless you're a captain on the Boeing or Airbus series, it's tough for the experienced people as well.
Having the licence is one thing, having the right to work is another. Before spending more money, find out what countries you can work in and then research the employment situation.
As you've probably gathered, it's tough out there at the moment for low houred guys. However, unless you're a captain on the Boeing or Airbus series, it's tough for the experienced people as well.
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Hello there!!!!
Thank you for information guys.....
According to you all there is no one currently recruiting low hours pilots. I seriously have big doubt what will the fresh pilot do if they can't hired till they get sufficient hours.
People who can go for PTF will be lucky i guess. I can't even spend for that....
Its like a chain,
You can't get job without experience but you need experience to get a job...
Huh sick of it man....
Thank you for information guys.....
According to you all there is no one currently recruiting low hours pilots. I seriously have big doubt what will the fresh pilot do if they can't hired till they get sufficient hours.
People who can go for PTF will be lucky i guess. I can't even spend for that....
Its like a chain,
You can't get job without experience but you need experience to get a job...
Huh sick of it man....
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I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but perhaps other pilots who don't get a job WORK in some other form in a non-av sector to earn some money and start paying back their debts??
Work, not flying. Who'd have guessed, right?
It would be a start, seriously. Job hunt gets a lot easier if you have a job that pays your bills for the time being. And pay to fly is crap. You should be paiD to fly, not pay to fly.
Oh...and the "it's fate that we don't find a job" argument....... seriously?
Work, not flying. Who'd have guessed, right?
It would be a start, seriously. Job hunt gets a lot easier if you have a job that pays your bills for the time being. And pay to fly is crap. You should be paiD to fly, not pay to fly.
Oh...and the "it's fate that we don't find a job" argument....... seriously?
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INNflight,
Agree with the "get back to work and pay some debt of you
!" call. I'll just add, please people dont have any other expectation except that chances are you will be waiting for 2-3 years before the first job.
But...
I'm sorry but P2F is becoming a reality everywhere - as much as I and you hate it. Those that do it, get themselves in front of people in positions of recruitment and most ultimately get hired WITH FULL PAY. So whilst the idea is crap, there is very little other choice for pilots as only 1 out of 10 airlines are interested in interviewing anyone without a type rating and some time on type. We (Wannabes) didn't invent the rules and no one (in the senior pilot community) fought for the rules either.
Agree with the "get back to work and pay some debt of you
!" call. I'll just add, please people dont have any other expectation except that chances are you will be waiting for 2-3 years before the first job.But...
And pay to fly is crap. You should be paiD to fly, not pay to fly.
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I dont know where you got your information form, but summer 2011 recruitment plans are currently under review still and no firm decisions yet made. Once they are the vacancies will probably be posted on the recruitment website.
Thomas cook will be recruiting soon for a healthy number of pilots. I can see them taking on some low hour non TRated guys.
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Hi everyone,
I'm doing an aviation management and marketing degree and looking at some figures (can't actually tell the source), it looks like SSTR is set to stay as airlines are understanding that pilots are always ready to do this when looking for a job.
In order to stop this trend we would need ALL pilots to refuse SSTR and force the airlines to go back to the old days. Unfortunately this will never happen and more and more airlines are adopting this cost effective (for them!) method.
I'm doing an aviation management and marketing degree and looking at some figures (can't actually tell the source), it looks like SSTR is set to stay as airlines are understanding that pilots are always ready to do this when looking for a job.
In order to stop this trend we would need ALL pilots to refuse SSTR and force the airlines to go back to the old days. Unfortunately this will never happen and more and more airlines are adopting this cost effective (for them!) method.
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when i finished studying in the netherlands i got a job the next day.
you should be very polite, but agressive. email all these starting companys, small airlines. tell them you just want to fly, we'll talk about pay later.
once youve been flying crappy planes for a year, you open your logbook and youll see power,.. power to make it in the business. you upgrade to captain, or youll upgrade right seat to a bigger plane.
now 4 years onto my career, ive only flown 2 types of a/c, but the 2nd is a very nice and respectful MD80. good pay, good staff, pleasant flights.
if i can do it, so can you. just dont give up !
you should be very polite, but agressive. email all these starting companys, small airlines. tell them you just want to fly, we'll talk about pay later.
once youve been flying crappy planes for a year, you open your logbook and youll see power,.. power to make it in the business. you upgrade to captain, or youll upgrade right seat to a bigger plane.
now 4 years onto my career, ive only flown 2 types of a/c, but the 2nd is a very nice and respectful MD80. good pay, good staff, pleasant flights.
if i can do it, so can you. just dont give up !
Respect!
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Well, if you've been working for 4 years, it means you've been finishing your course back in 2006... That year was one of the best years in aviation recruitment since 9/11: everyone was getting a job.
Now if you go to an airline and you say you just want to fly... They'll ask you: ok... what are you going to pay us??
Things are not like 2006... NOWHERE NEAR!
We'll have to wait at least another couple of years to start seeing this happening again.
Now if you go to an airline and you say you just want to fly... They'll ask you: ok... what are you going to pay us??
Things are not like 2006... NOWHERE NEAR!
We'll have to wait at least another couple of years to start seeing this happening again.
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GG, that Fly Gosh thing (had brief look) isn't exactly hard to know. Most schemes are for nationals/residents only and those few that aren't so restricted, are often discussed on PPRuNe. Good effort, but not exactly that valuable.