Actual numbers out of a job
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: wales
Age: 40
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Kingofkabul, mad jock, blackbirdy - thanks for your productive responses.
It is very easy to get info on those qualified- both employed and unemployed in many industries eg. teaching, engineering, computing to name but a few. This is always a great indicator of whether one should train with the obvious goal of job in that industry at the end! The topic question is very relevant and deserves an accurate answer.
Anyone who wishes to give constructive, productive answers - thanks in advance.
It is very easy to get info on those qualified- both employed and unemployed in many industries eg. teaching, engineering, computing to name but a few. This is always a great indicator of whether one should train with the obvious goal of job in that industry at the end! The topic question is very relevant and deserves an accurate answer.
Anyone who wishes to give constructive, productive answers - thanks in advance.
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Porto - Portugal
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Fun indeed.
Count me in. So the total at the moment is 4.
A320Dreamer if you don't have a license it doesn't count.
But you can always say you are an enthusiast pilot unemployed, ehehe.
Count me in. So the total at the moment is 4.
A320Dreamer if you don't have a license it doesn't count.
But you can always say you are an enthusiast pilot unemployed, ehehe.
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Northern Ireland
Age: 40
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
60,000 really??!!!!
Blackybirdy
Are your figures fact or fiction?
Readily available statistics or guesswork?
flylogan
p.s. could you pick my euromillions lottery numbers this week?
Are your figures fact or fiction?
Readily available statistics or guesswork?
flylogan
p.s. could you pick my euromillions lottery numbers this week?
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Far away
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I propose another exercise that may be more useful and would provides us better data.
If a lot of people participates and give accurate data, the results can be analyzed and will show the reality of the current situation. A lot of inputs will give us proper statics.
The exercise is the following:
How many pilots you know, and within this pilots how many are employed as pilots?
The number of employed and unemployed pilots won’t be accurate but somehow the ratio will be.
So, one example may be:
I know 60 pilots and 20 out of that are employed.
Ratio is 33% of employment in our business.
“This is not a true data tomorrow I will review my facebook and give an accurate ratio".
Averaging all our ratios will give us the big picture!
Should we do it?
My guess is that the ratio is around 25%.
If a lot of people participates and give accurate data, the results can be analyzed and will show the reality of the current situation. A lot of inputs will give us proper statics.
The exercise is the following:
How many pilots you know, and within this pilots how many are employed as pilots?
The number of employed and unemployed pilots won’t be accurate but somehow the ratio will be.
So, one example may be:
I know 60 pilots and 20 out of that are employed.
Ratio is 33% of employment in our business.
“This is not a true data tomorrow I will review my facebook and give an accurate ratio".
Averaging all our ratios will give us the big picture!
Should we do it?
My guess is that the ratio is around 25%.
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: A peach
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Excuse my ignorance what does RSM stand for ?
I think this post was started to convince certain people or themselves that it was right to take out that 80k loan and that it will all be ok in the end.
It will be many many long hard years before things pick up for 200hr pilots.
I think this post was started to convince certain people or themselves that it was right to take out that 80k loan and that it will all be ok in the end.
It will be many many long hard years before things pick up for 200hr pilots.
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 10,815
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Clob the reason why you won't get any real numbers is because the CAA won't release them because its commercially sensitive
They could very easily produce
1. Number of intial Class 1 medicals
2. Number of students sitting one exam
3. Number of students passing all 14 exams
4. Number of students obtaining CPL
5. Number of students obtaining intial IR.
6. Number of pilots getting intial type rating.
But they won't because the whole industry operates by having an over supply of fresh meat ready to go on type ratings when they need to expand.
Currently this means they can have a 3 month reaction time. If there wasn't an over supply and they had to train thier own they would have a 18 month to 2 years reaction time.
And I might add as well that if folk don't train the capacity of the system decreases which puts even more lag into the reaction time. I believe the current european capacity is 1200 pilots a year. How much of that capacity is currently being used I don't know
They could very easily produce
1. Number of intial Class 1 medicals
2. Number of students sitting one exam
3. Number of students passing all 14 exams
4. Number of students obtaining CPL
5. Number of students obtaining intial IR.
6. Number of pilots getting intial type rating.
But they won't because the whole industry operates by having an over supply of fresh meat ready to go on type ratings when they need to expand.
Currently this means they can have a 3 month reaction time. If there wasn't an over supply and they had to train thier own they would have a 18 month to 2 years reaction time.
And I might add as well that if folk don't train the capacity of the system decreases which puts even more lag into the reaction time. I believe the current european capacity is 1200 pilots a year. How much of that capacity is currently being used I don't know
Last edited by mad_jock; 13th Oct 2010 at 11:24.
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Assuming that CAA doc covers a 12 month period I struggle to imagine where 1,300 new CPL license holders would have found employment!?!
WWW
WWW
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 10,815
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
No it doesn't
That form is a mish mash of numbers which is generated without a key to what the different numbers mean.
There is no way of splitting down intial type ratings and how do the numbers work?
You have 1330 cpl's issued with only 131 IR's Now I would have thought that OAT would be putting out 131 IR's a year all on there own.
Now 188 FI ratings!!!!!! I don't know what to say about that!!!
Its designed so they can say they issue licensing data but is constructed so nothing meaningful can be pulled from it.
That form is a mish mash of numbers which is generated without a key to what the different numbers mean.
There is no way of splitting down intial type ratings and how do the numbers work?
You have 1330 cpl's issued with only 131 IR's Now I would have thought that OAT would be putting out 131 IR's a year all on there own.
Now 188 FI ratings!!!!!! I don't know what to say about that!!!
Its designed so they can say they issue licensing data but is constructed so nothing meaningful can be pulled from it.
