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And I love flying the dash. As regards to the E170/175 rumour, yes it is doing the rounds around all the bases. However it is just that, a rumour! There is no hard evidence to indicate that it will happen. Time will tell. If I have to wait to see if it happens, so will you!!!!!
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What the ........
Emb 175's/190's are not happening bla bla bla......You guys are unbelievable. If you knew your stuff, then you'd know that the company has made no secret about looking at MANY different JET manufacturers for a possible Dash part-replacement. It's no hidden secret that Mitsubishi/Embraer/Bombardier have all been giving presentations to the Exeter mob over the past couple of months.
Particularly now that a code share with Air France has just been announced today. Flybe are going to need more areoplanes to fly into ORL and CDG from the UK. Now i'm not saying that jets are the future for Flybe, nor is it wishful thinking on my part, but where do you get off saying that it's NEVER going to happen? truly STAGGERING!!!!!!
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Particularly now that a code share with Air France has just been announced today. Flybe are going to need more areoplanes to fly into ORL and CDG from the UK. Now i'm not saying that jets are the future for Flybe, nor is it wishful thinking on my part, but where do you get off saying that it's NEVER going to happen? truly STAGGERING!!!!!!
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Hmm funny that Toastal.
What I posted was what we were told at an A.R.T course a few weeks ago. But then I supposed you are better informed so maybe we should all listen to you
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p.s. Where on this entire thread has anyone actually said, and I quote "It's NEVER going to happen"? Now THAT is staggering.
What I posted was what we were told at an A.R.T course a few weeks ago. But then I supposed you are better informed so maybe we should all listen to you
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p.s. Where on this entire thread has anyone actually said, and I quote "It's NEVER going to happen"? Now THAT is staggering.
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p.p.s Why would we need more aircraft to fly into ORL & CDG? This is a codeshare agreement, it means Air France passengers can book on our existing route network and visa versa on selected flights, it doesn't mean we'll need more a/c to start operating routes for Air France.
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G-60 - good point on the hour building. If you're getting valuable jet time, this should be at a lower payscale to the dash-8.
As a result of the current pilot shortage, the only way into Flybe is via ab initio mentored schemes. These are great (for the FTO and Flybe). This situation may change when the exodus begins however.
As a result of the current pilot shortage, the only way into Flybe is via ab initio mentored schemes. These are great (for the FTO and Flybe). This situation may change when the exodus begins however.
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Emb 170
My understanding from the inside is that a variety of options are being evaluated to replace 18 Q400's going back to the lessors in the next couple of years. The Emb 170 and Q400 are being evaluated as potential replacements.
The Q400 burns less fuel but suffers more tech glitches and higher maintenance costs than the Embraers and of course as Flybe extends the ranges it flies now (Verona, Nice, Perpignan, Geneva, Saltzburg) you have to admit that these are beyond the optimum distances for a turoprop and better served by a jet.
I gather that Embraer have indicated they intend to re-wing and re-engine the E-series jets to make them even more fuel efficient from 2016 - indeed the claim is that they could match a Q400 for fuel burn with these (future) wings and engines. It may be that Flybe can negotiate some kind of kickback deal if they take the current spec and upgrade to the later spec in future. Whether this will happen remains to be seen though.
Of course the whole thing might just be a rumour put out by the company to reduce the risk of an impending First Officer mass exodus as the market picks up!! Personally I'd love to see us get more E-jets, I don't think many of us would pine for the Dash if we got the chance to fly an E-jet!!
In this game who knows!
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The Q400 burns less fuel but suffers more tech glitches and higher maintenance costs than the Embraers and of course as Flybe extends the ranges it flies now (Verona, Nice, Perpignan, Geneva, Saltzburg) you have to admit that these are beyond the optimum distances for a turoprop and better served by a jet.
I gather that Embraer have indicated they intend to re-wing and re-engine the E-series jets to make them even more fuel efficient from 2016 - indeed the claim is that they could match a Q400 for fuel burn with these (future) wings and engines. It may be that Flybe can negotiate some kind of kickback deal if they take the current spec and upgrade to the later spec in future. Whether this will happen remains to be seen though.
Of course the whole thing might just be a rumour put out by the company to reduce the risk of an impending First Officer mass exodus as the market picks up!! Personally I'd love to see us get more E-jets, I don't think many of us would pine for the Dash if we got the chance to fly an E-jet!!
In this game who knows!
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DP exactly.
But apparently even with the rumoured "geared turbofan" the economics of the E-Jet won't be able to match that of the Dash.
The other question about using it on the longer routes is that what are you going to do with it when it isn't flying the longer routes? It's going to have to fly the shorter routes, and probably alot of them. If you based it in a particular base then you can only use it on the long routes that base has, so how are they to be distributed across the network? I have heard the 175 is still too heavy for GCI too so it'll have to avoid there.
Again as we were told, it is very, very unlikely to happen, but as this is the aviation industry then anything can happen at any time.
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But apparently even with the rumoured "geared turbofan" the economics of the E-Jet won't be able to match that of the Dash.
The other question about using it on the longer routes is that what are you going to do with it when it isn't flying the longer routes? It's going to have to fly the shorter routes, and probably alot of them. If you based it in a particular base then you can only use it on the long routes that base has, so how are they to be distributed across the network? I have heard the 175 is still too heavy for GCI too so it'll have to avoid there.
Again as we were told, it is very, very unlikely to happen, but as this is the aviation industry then anything can happen at any time.
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Just to add, it would still be a two fleet operation in terms of type ratings (170-195 is single type rating) but also in terms of training and maintenance as well. Flybe is already well prepared to accept more Embraers probably with some free type ratings thrown in. Massive flexibility for the longer routes if the loads are low for the 195 and massive flexibility for crewing. One 195 in a base alone must be a cost disaster crewing wise.
If you read the latest newsletter it says that the new AF code share will see the 195 going more into Paris. Read into that what you will. Maybe jets have been requested, oh and any idea what Regional operate in France?!
It will all come down to costs and money. If Embraer give Flybe a discount of say 15 million a jet and in the deal allow us to be the largest maintenance and training provider for E Jets in Europe, that puts much more than just fuel burn into the cost calculation.
What is true is that the Dash cannot be beaten for the SOU - MAN flights etc. Its just too good but there is certainly room and an argument for a smaller jet.
We should all know better that to take what is said on an ART course as fact. The week before the course was told the complete opposite. Its all just rumour but isn't it fun speculating!
If you read the latest newsletter it says that the new AF code share will see the 195 going more into Paris. Read into that what you will. Maybe jets have been requested, oh and any idea what Regional operate in France?!
It will all come down to costs and money. If Embraer give Flybe a discount of say 15 million a jet and in the deal allow us to be the largest maintenance and training provider for E Jets in Europe, that puts much more than just fuel burn into the cost calculation.
What is true is that the Dash cannot be beaten for the SOU - MAN flights etc. Its just too good but there is certainly room and an argument for a smaller jet.
We should all know better that to take what is said on an ART course as fact. The week before the course was told the complete opposite. Its all just rumour but isn't it fun speculating!
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Well that just goes to show.......what do I know? 
Embraer Wins $1.3 Billion Order for 35 Planes From U.K.’s Flybe - BusinessWeek
Embraer Wins $1.3 Billion Order for 35 Planes From U.K.’s Flybe - BusinessWeek
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G-60 - good point on the hour building. If you're getting valuable jet time, this should be at a lower payscale to the dash-8.
Thankfully....it doesn't really matter what you think and we can leave the BALPA CC to sort this and not you!!
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