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I am very sorry what happened to your buddies but that is the exact reason I would never fly for a Saudi rich person or in the UAE in general. First of all, I do not like it down there. Building the highest structures of the world and most expensive airports and golf courses with indoor Ski-slopes while their population drowns in poverty does not at all impress me. Living in a hotel, does not matter how many stars it has, is also not my thing unless I only do it on layovers.
The mentality of such rich people is different. First of all if you carry a bag for them and you drop it by accident like a buddy of mine (we all have our aviation pals down there), then he was humiliated, yelled at that he was too stupid to carry a bag, how could he ever manage to fly a plane.
Also a misconception. Although most think that the folks at UAE are the kings of the world are wrong. Their place will go down in latest 50 years when their oil is gone and the next problem arouses, which is the need for water. That will be when they fall apart and maybe even a reason for the outbreak of the next major war. I am sure some of you read the same things.
Anyway, I personally stay away from those places, salary is not even that good actually, it is ok, you live for free and pay nothing as to tax, but there your boss really does not give a crap about you, you are just some Euro or American Infidel and that attitude of my boss is enough for me to not even go there. Of course not all are like that, but there is plenty.
Also another reason I do not go there is because companies like Execujet, Jet Aviation etc etc run the salary contracts via themselves. This means they interview you, get you a job and work out all the paper issues for you. I do not like such things because salary is never what it should be and there are too many points in it usualy for the good of the company and that is another issue.
It is not very common that you get into flying executives that actually also fly their own airplanes and are aviation freaks even more than myself, that have their best friend from highschool being the chief pilot and also in charge of a fleet of over 10 airplanes the smallest being a Citation V and the largest and not yet arrived GS650 who is also the person in charge of recruitment. If you have such a team looking over your shoulder I promise you, that you will have the best time in aviation one can hope to have. On top of that comes the salary, financial crisis or not. (those guys actually thought things through before buying airplanes, which many Russians did not)
Hope this could help
I am very sorry what happened to your buddies but that is the exact reason I would never fly for a Saudi rich person or in the UAE in general. First of all, I do not like it down there. Building the highest structures of the world and most expensive airports and golf courses with indoor Ski-slopes while their population drowns in poverty does not at all impress me. Living in a hotel, does not matter how many stars it has, is also not my thing unless I only do it on layovers.
The mentality of such rich people is different. First of all if you carry a bag for them and you drop it by accident like a buddy of mine (we all have our aviation pals down there), then he was humiliated, yelled at that he was too stupid to carry a bag, how could he ever manage to fly a plane.
Also a misconception. Although most think that the folks at UAE are the kings of the world are wrong. Their place will go down in latest 50 years when their oil is gone and the next problem arouses, which is the need for water. That will be when they fall apart and maybe even a reason for the outbreak of the next major war. I am sure some of you read the same things.
Anyway, I personally stay away from those places, salary is not even that good actually, it is ok, you live for free and pay nothing as to tax, but there your boss really does not give a crap about you, you are just some Euro or American Infidel and that attitude of my boss is enough for me to not even go there. Of course not all are like that, but there is plenty.
Also another reason I do not go there is because companies like Execujet, Jet Aviation etc etc run the salary contracts via themselves. This means they interview you, get you a job and work out all the paper issues for you. I do not like such things because salary is never what it should be and there are too many points in it usualy for the good of the company and that is another issue.
It is not very common that you get into flying executives that actually also fly their own airplanes and are aviation freaks even more than myself, that have their best friend from highschool being the chief pilot and also in charge of a fleet of over 10 airplanes the smallest being a Citation V and the largest and not yet arrived GS650 who is also the person in charge of recruitment. If you have such a team looking over your shoulder I promise you, that you will have the best time in aviation one can hope to have. On top of that comes the salary, financial crisis or not. (those guys actually thought things through before buying airplanes, which many Russians did not)
Hope this could help
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JetjockyUSA have you ever actually lived in the Middle East??
"Although most think that the folks at UAE are the kings of the world are wrong. Their place will go down in latest 50 years when their oil is gone and the next problem arouses, which is the need for water. That will be when they fall apart and maybe even a reason for the outbreak of the next major war. I am sure some of you read the same things."
That is some rant you just went on... yeah the place is very bad at certain things but your generalisations are what get the yanks such a bad name internationally... after all we all know the USA has no-one living in poverty whilst others live it up....
"Although most think that the folks at UAE are the kings of the world are wrong. Their place will go down in latest 50 years when their oil is gone and the next problem arouses, which is the need for water. That will be when they fall apart and maybe even a reason for the outbreak of the next major war. I am sure some of you read the same things."
That is some rant you just went on... yeah the place is very bad at certain things but your generalisations are what get the yanks such a bad name internationally... after all we all know the USA has no-one living in poverty whilst others live it up....
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Jetjockey - well congratulations to you, whatever job you have you're obviously happy in it. I have met the pilots of a few of the richest guys on earth, and they aren't on anything like as much as the figures you are throwing around. I certainly know at least one ex-Gulfstream driver of a very very rich Englishman, who now works for Easyjet, and the guy is very happy where he is, slags off at his old boss at every oportunity and would never ever go back to his old lifestyle. It's probably a great job for a single person who doesn't mind being at the beck and call of a rich master 24/7/365 and potentially going on the road for months at a time away from home, but for anyone who ever wants to have wife, kids or a life of their own, it can be the most hellish lonely job in the world.
Also - for every nice, considerate, western, billionaire private owner who treats his pilots well, there's 10 more who are considered to be arrogant middle eastern and russian S.O.B.'s who play fast and loose with the FTL scheme and go nuts when the guys don't want to take off a few tons overweight or try to explain that a Gulfstream can't actually land on the same 2000' grass runway as a C206.
Netjets (whether it's Europe or America) is widely considered one of the best executive aviation jobs in the world and plenty of people have left their positions working for private owners of bizjets in order to go there, and enjoy the benefits of stable rostering, varied flying, and all the perks that Red listed.
In the context of this being a "wannabes looking for first job" forum though it's kind of academic, in the current environment if anyone offers to pay you any money to fly anything that burns kerosene, let alone a squillionaire private owner OR netjets or anything else, then for gods sake take the job and cling onto it like a starfish to a rock.
Back on topic - I fly RHS, longhaul A330 for a mid eastern mega carrier and get, in the hand, tax free about $US8 - 9,000 every month, I also get a free 3 bed apartment with free utilities etc. Pretty good free medical insurance, loss of licence, appallingly bad pension, and all the shawarmas you can eat
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edited to say :
The guy made a couple of new posts while I was writing mine.
In my experience if there's ONE thing that fabulously wealthy private owners value above all else in their employees, it is tactfulness, maturity, discretion, and a very very low likelihood of shooting their mouth off in public about things they don't really understand.
All the private-exec pilots I know, in fact have the exact opposite personality traits to those being displayed by our friend jetjockey here.
I would even go so far as to place large bets with the PPRUNE readership, that we are getting trolled by some immature teenager whose jet experience is limited to MS flight sim.
Also - for every nice, considerate, western, billionaire private owner who treats his pilots well, there's 10 more who are considered to be arrogant middle eastern and russian S.O.B.'s who play fast and loose with the FTL scheme and go nuts when the guys don't want to take off a few tons overweight or try to explain that a Gulfstream can't actually land on the same 2000' grass runway as a C206.
Netjets (whether it's Europe or America) is widely considered one of the best executive aviation jobs in the world and plenty of people have left their positions working for private owners of bizjets in order to go there, and enjoy the benefits of stable rostering, varied flying, and all the perks that Red listed.
In the context of this being a "wannabes looking for first job" forum though it's kind of academic, in the current environment if anyone offers to pay you any money to fly anything that burns kerosene, let alone a squillionaire private owner OR netjets or anything else, then for gods sake take the job and cling onto it like a starfish to a rock.
Back on topic - I fly RHS, longhaul A330 for a mid eastern mega carrier and get, in the hand, tax free about $US8 - 9,000 every month, I also get a free 3 bed apartment with free utilities etc. Pretty good free medical insurance, loss of licence, appallingly bad pension, and all the shawarmas you can eat
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edited to say :
The guy made a couple of new posts while I was writing mine.
In my experience if there's ONE thing that fabulously wealthy private owners value above all else in their employees, it is tactfulness, maturity, discretion, and a very very low likelihood of shooting their mouth off in public about things they don't really understand.
All the private-exec pilots I know, in fact have the exact opposite personality traits to those being displayed by our friend jetjockey here.
I would even go so far as to place large bets with the PPRUNE readership, that we are getting trolled by some immature teenager whose jet experience is limited to MS flight sim.
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I am suprised at reds mentioning it to be honest. When I had it we were sat down with a security consultant and told not to mention it to anyone because if the badies etc knew you had it you became a more worthwhile target. In fact I don't think the FO's knew we had it.
Many eastern european and Mafia dominated countrys have issues with kidnap. Pilots are seen as rich easy pickings we stay in the same hotels use local taxis etc etc.
Its a risk factor which isn't usually discussed with those that don't need know, and some forms of aviation carry a higher risk than others.
There will be alot more companys than you expect carrying this insurance for there pilots, and in the majority of cases the pilots won't have a clue they have it. Its one of the stipulations in the service contract that they don't know.
Many eastern european and Mafia dominated countrys have issues with kidnap. Pilots are seen as rich easy pickings we stay in the same hotels use local taxis etc etc.
Its a risk factor which isn't usually discussed with those that don't need know, and some forms of aviation carry a higher risk than others.
There will be alot more companys than you expect carrying this insurance for there pilots, and in the majority of cases the pilots won't have a clue they have it. Its one of the stipulations in the service contract that they don't know.
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Anyway, I personally stay away from those places
Anyway, for those starting out in aviation, I would strongly suggest that you don't build your expectations on finding a corporate owner willing to pay you a fabulous salary because he loves aviation
The law of supply and demand exists in the corporate world as much as in the commercial airline world.
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Just help the thread-starter;
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I just thought it was amusing. A bit different to the uniform and parking thing. 
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Yes mad-jock I know what you mean ... those women from Stornoway and Benbecula ... kidnap insurance was pretty much essential for any single male pilot unloading the newspapers 
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Not sure what this JetJockey dude has been eating, but sure sounds like he is having some issues there.
Personnaly I find it pretty rude and stupid to make these kind of comments, especially if they are on things that you do not know anything about, and then to make it even worse blowing your own horn so loud.
Myself at the moment furlounghed, but got a office job instead managing part of the business, make $ 4000,- Net for that and about $ 1000,- for the no-flying.
Personnaly I find it pretty rude and stupid to make these kind of comments, especially if they are on things that you do not know anything about, and then to make it even worse blowing your own horn so loud.
Myself at the moment furlounghed, but got a office job instead managing part of the business, make $ 4000,- Net for that and about $ 1000,- for the no-flying.
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I know one pilot who flies for a very high net worth individual. I believe he makes a good salary but not twice+ what would appear to be the industry standard.
If there is one thing I have noticed about very wealthy people, it's that they didn't get very wealthy by needlessly spending vastly more money than they need to.
If there is one thing I have noticed about very wealthy people, it's that they didn't get very wealthy by needlessly spending vastly more money than they need to.
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27,300euros for 12months. I work 6 months a year (4 wks on, 4 wks off )
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Allowances, average over one year = 5,500euros (paid for 4 wks on)
So a rough per year salary of 32,800euros approx.
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Medical Insurance, loss of license, free accom. during the 4wks on and uniform, medical renewal, all traveling etc.
A year into a 3yr contract on a Twotter in Africa (f/o).
Got job outta school with 230TT.
Not a bad deal IMHO and reading the EZY threads on here I'm glad I didn't take the SSTR route!
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Allowances, average over one year = 5,500euros (paid for 4 wks on)
So a rough per year salary of 32,800euros approx.
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Medical Insurance, loss of license, free accom. during the 4wks on and uniform, medical renewal, all traveling etc.
A year into a 3yr contract on a Twotter in Africa (f/o).
Got job outta school with 230TT.
Not a bad deal IMHO and reading the EZY threads on here I'm glad I didn't take the SSTR route!
