An open letter to the owners of PPrUNe regarding advertising
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An open letter to the owners of PPrUNe regarding advertising
What gives?
Why have PPrUNe's new owners become so anti-pilot? Why do you allow advertising by companies and individuals which are hell bent on destroying the livelihoods of pilots? The latest one, advertising the services of the devil himself, Mr Jonathan Curd of ATP Fame (now rebranded as a320typerating.com) pops up on every other click. This is a forum for pilots to discuss the industry, terms and conditions and jobs. It attracts pilots for this very reason. I find it totally disgusting that you are using the high readership of this site to sell advertising to firms which are ruining the industry.
This, forum, was originally created by a pilot. I wonder if the man himself, Danny Fyne would allow adverts that advertise Pay To Fly Schemes? Surely the new owners recognise the need to protect the pilot's career a little bit? We are the reason you can sell advertising space. Please understand our point of view. 9/10 people absolutely abhorr what firms such as atp, a320typerating are doing.
Should the owners of PPRuNe stop selling advertising space to 'pay to fly' organisations? - Take Poll
Why have PPrUNe's new owners become so anti-pilot? Why do you allow advertising by companies and individuals which are hell bent on destroying the livelihoods of pilots? The latest one, advertising the services of the devil himself, Mr Jonathan Curd of ATP Fame (now rebranded as a320typerating.com) pops up on every other click. This is a forum for pilots to discuss the industry, terms and conditions and jobs. It attracts pilots for this very reason. I find it totally disgusting that you are using the high readership of this site to sell advertising to firms which are ruining the industry.
This, forum, was originally created by a pilot. I wonder if the man himself, Danny Fyne would allow adverts that advertise Pay To Fly Schemes? Surely the new owners recognise the need to protect the pilot's career a little bit? We are the reason you can sell advertising space. Please understand our point of view. 9/10 people absolutely abhorr what firms such as atp, a320typerating are doing.
Should the owners of PPRuNe stop selling advertising space to 'pay to fly' organisations? - Take Poll
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Now carry on using the free service....
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Now carry on using the free service....
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Pprune seemed to exist above the breadline before these pay to fly schemes started advertising on here.
Considering the advertising rates on here, would pprune really suffer financially if these parasitic companies were banned from advertising. IMO Pprune loses a lot of credibility with its most seasoned posters warning against the dangers of SSTR, yet a simple click on a banner will allow you to sign up for this industry destroying practice.
Considering the advertising rates on here, would pprune really suffer financially if these parasitic companies were banned from advertising. IMO Pprune loses a lot of credibility with its most seasoned posters warning against the dangers of SSTR, yet a simple click on a banner will allow you to sign up for this industry destroying practice.
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I would like to think that anyone with an ounce of common sense, integrity and have researched the industry, are aware of these 'schemes' and will ignore the adverts....
..... whilst pprune takes their money and keeps the site free so more of us can discuss how awful and degrading they are.
..... whilst pprune takes their money and keeps the site free so more of us can discuss how awful and degrading they are.
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WWW,
You say now carry on using the free site as if it is not our place to have issues with this and should be thankful that the site is free and keep quiet.
The reason the site is free is if you had to pay for it everyone would use another forum, it being free means there is a huge number of hits on this site which in turn means it is possible for the owners to make money from it. It is free to use so that it is possible to make money for the owner not out of the goodness of their hearts to work for free providing the site for us.
You say now carry on using the free site as if it is not our place to have issues with this and should be thankful that the site is free and keep quiet.
The reason the site is free is if you had to pay for it everyone would use another forum, it being free means there is a huge number of hits on this site which in turn means it is possible for the owners to make money from it. It is free to use so that it is possible to make money for the owner not out of the goodness of their hearts to work for free providing the site for us.
SSTR schemes are evil.
We take money off them by charging for advertising.
We then comprehensively slag them off, in detail and depth, and provide ample amplified reasons and examples of how they screw you up.
And this upsets you?
I struggle with the logic of that to be honest. I can imagine why people are disgusted by the aviation magazine racket who never bite the advertising hand that feeds them. Very rare and very placid is the editorial comment from Pilot or Flyer that denounces the training organisations involved in this 6 figure racket.
There will be no boycotts of any legal product wishing and willing to pay the rates we charge for advertising. The revenue is needed to keep this huge web forum running as well as it does.
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We take money off them by charging for advertising.
We then comprehensively slag them off, in detail and depth, and provide ample amplified reasons and examples of how they screw you up.
And this upsets you?
I struggle with the logic of that to be honest. I can imagine why people are disgusted by the aviation magazine racket who never bite the advertising hand that feeds them. Very rare and very placid is the editorial comment from Pilot or Flyer that denounces the training organisations involved in this 6 figure racket.
There will be no boycotts of any legal product wishing and willing to pay the rates we charge for advertising. The revenue is needed to keep this huge web forum running as well as it does.
WWW
I wonder if the man himself, Danny Fyne would allow adverts that advertise Pay To Fly Schemes?
If someone on PPRuNe clicks on one of these adverts and signs up for such a scheme completely ignoring all the threads and sage advice which advise against such schemes then they are complete idiots.
If PPRuNe didn't carry such adverts it could possibly close and then would not be around to advice against signing up!
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WWW,
This is very topical, I'm watchng CNBC right now talking about how CBS have rejected some ads to be shown during the Super Bowl as they felt the content wasn't fit for the subject matter. It really doesn't hurt to be a little selective and it makes the other advertisers more appreciative.
Muddy Boots
This is very topical, I'm watchng CNBC right now talking about how CBS have rejected some ads to be shown during the Super Bowl as they felt the content wasn't fit for the subject matter. It really doesn't hurt to be a little selective and it makes the other advertisers more appreciative.
Muddy Boots
Oh do just piss off.
Taking money off those whose business case you comprehensively revile and rail against is poetic justice writ large.
You've zippo rights to start lecturing us about how we should run and fund our website. Where were you in 1998 when Danny and Rob asked me to run a new Wannabes forum on a then new bulletin board format? I don't care where you were but I was here and your tiny, silly, newbie opinions are laughable, risible and wrong.
PPRuNe is a mildly benevolent dictatorship. All the stronger for it. All the more successful. Feedback is always welcome. We just reserve the right to ignore it or tell you to piss off.
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Taking money off those whose business case you comprehensively revile and rail against is poetic justice writ large.
You've zippo rights to start lecturing us about how we should run and fund our website. Where were you in 1998 when Danny and Rob asked me to run a new Wannabes forum on a then new bulletin board format? I don't care where you were but I was here and your tiny, silly, newbie opinions are laughable, risible and wrong.
PPRuNe is a mildly benevolent dictatorship. All the stronger for it. All the more successful. Feedback is always welcome. We just reserve the right to ignore it or tell you to piss off.
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Having integrity is important if you want the site to be taken seriously. This includes selecting appropriate advertisers. Maybe these PTF/SSTR ads should at least be removed from the wannabees section. It is akin to advertising cigarettes in schools!
No, its not. Which someone with an IQ of 80 could grasp.
See above.
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See above.
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I hate to admit this, and it breaks my heart to, but I totally agree with WWW,
Pprune are taking the money off this company, supplying you with one of the best forums around, and still people moan,
If you don’t like it, don’t look at it, simples,
People would soon be moaning, or soon bugger of if they had to pay a subscription fee for the site,
Gosh,
Pprune are taking the money off this company, supplying you with one of the best forums around, and still people moan,
If you don’t like it, don’t look at it, simples,
People would soon be moaning, or soon bugger of if they had to pay a subscription fee for the site,
Gosh,
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Have to say i agree with WWW and flyvirgin on this - might as well take the advertisers money - plenty of advice for newbies etc. on here regarding SSTR etc. and as stated by WWW, take the money off them for advertising as they take money from newbies (albeit on a much smaller scale of course lol) - and if people really think that just by viewing an advert it will entice someone to sign up then i fear hope is lost for all in the aviation world !!!
Hmmm.......sorry.......must go.......seen an advert for Airbus training......must sign up.....must sign up......must sign up......resistance is futile....lmao
Hmmm.......sorry.......must go.......seen an advert for Airbus training......must sign up.....must sign up......must sign up......resistance is futile....lmao
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An ethics question on a rumour network?
Seriously, without getting involved in the main thrust of the topic; if you're using Firefox, right click on the advert, select 'Block images from...'
Personally I appreciate the ability to get advice for free; if the Devil is hosting, then there is a certain humour about his estate preaching the virtues of God
Seriously, without getting involved in the main thrust of the topic; if you're using Firefox, right click on the advert, select 'Block images from...'
Personally I appreciate the ability to get advice for free; if the Devil is hosting, then there is a certain humour about his estate preaching the virtues of God