European Job with FAA License?
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European Job with FAA License?
So I am about to be furloughed from one of the US Regional Carriers. I am a German citizen, and hold a German passport, so I can work and live anywhere in the EU. I meet the requirements for many of the European airlines except for the JAA ATPL requirement.
Does anyone know of any EU airlines that are currently validating FAA certificates? Also, is there any airlines in the EU that will let you interview and offer you a position with FAA certs, and then convert them? I would be more than willing to pay for my own conversion... however, if I can't guarantee that I'm going to get a job somewhere, I really can't afford to put up the money to do so.
Any insight would be appreciated. I apologize if this has been asked before, i tried searching to no avail. Thanks all!
Does anyone know of any EU airlines that are currently validating FAA certificates? Also, is there any airlines in the EU that will let you interview and offer you a position with FAA certs, and then convert them? I would be more than willing to pay for my own conversion... however, if I can't guarantee that I'm going to get a job somewhere, I really can't afford to put up the money to do so.
Any insight would be appreciated. I apologize if this has been asked before, i tried searching to no avail. Thanks all!
I think you are on a losing track here. EU airlines don't "validate" FAA licences, they hire pilots who already have an applicable JAA one.
Also, there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of licensed European pilots who are out of work, and the number is still increasing. Also, unless you have a European passport you will need a work permit, which is about as easy as a European getting permission to work in the US.
Sorry to poor cold water on you, but this won't work.
Good luck.
Also, there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of licensed European pilots who are out of work, and the number is still increasing. Also, unless you have a European passport you will need a work permit, which is about as easy as a European getting permission to work in the US.
Sorry to poor cold water on you, but this won't work.
Good luck.
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Joe, you need 2 things: the right to live and work, plus the licence. You have 1 of the 2, which is a start.
Validations have been issued in some countries, but not for F/Os - there are plenty around here looking for work. The validations generally have been issued because the airline can show their relevant government authorities that there is a bona fide shortage of personnel either in experience or on type, then a work permit and/or validation MAY be issued. Hence, for example, if their is a shortage of B737 Captains in that country and the airline show they have advertised and are still short of numbers, the authority may issue work permits and the CAA may validate licenses. In some countries, the CAA has allowed a time-limited validation which will lapse unless some or all of the JAA exams have been completed by the pilot within a specified period of time. I emphasise that not all countries and authorities do this, and in current economic circumstances, it is near-impossible to make a case that sticks.
Your best bet may be on N Reg aircraft based in Europe, which may be freighters or generally VIP aircraft.
I hope this assists.
Validations have been issued in some countries, but not for F/Os - there are plenty around here looking for work. The validations generally have been issued because the airline can show their relevant government authorities that there is a bona fide shortage of personnel either in experience or on type, then a work permit and/or validation MAY be issued. Hence, for example, if their is a shortage of B737 Captains in that country and the airline show they have advertised and are still short of numbers, the authority may issue work permits and the CAA may validate licenses. In some countries, the CAA has allowed a time-limited validation which will lapse unless some or all of the JAA exams have been completed by the pilot within a specified period of time. I emphasise that not all countries and authorities do this, and in current economic circumstances, it is near-impossible to make a case that sticks.
Your best bet may be on N Reg aircraft based in Europe, which may be freighters or generally VIP aircraft.
I hope this assists.
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There is one thing you CAN try
Try get a job on one of hundreds Isle Of Man Reg. business jets floating around Europe.
Conversion for these would be a short paperwork exercise and your Type Rating, if ERJ or CRJ, would suit some of the aircraft.
Good luck.
Conversion for these would be a short paperwork exercise and your Type Rating, if ERJ or CRJ, would suit some of the aircraft.
Good luck.
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There are tons of N / VP-B / VP-C / M-reg bizjets around in Europe. You can fly those with a validation of your FAA license, living in Europe (as you hold a passport).
Now, getting a job on those is not the easiest thing, it is mainly about knowing the right people, but still not impossible.
Fischmeister I see where you are coming from, but as the OP is a German citizen and holds a German passport you're not really being fair to him.
If you'd hold a US passport you could go and fly there too
Now, getting a job on those is not the easiest thing, it is mainly about knowing the right people, but still not impossible.
Fischmeister I see where you are coming from, but as the OP is a German citizen and holds a German passport you're not really being fair to him.
If you'd hold a US passport you could go and fly there too
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Swings and round abouts at the moment, I find myself in a similar situation and as stated to get a Biz or Freight job you need to know whos door to knock on . No job for the last 4 months .
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Hang in there man, I agree with some of what the posts are saying about the market situation, but don't let the closed shop types deter you. The JAA conversions are going to take some time to complete, if your determined to live and work back in Europe start there. When the market picks up again(Don't know when?) you will be able to get in the game faster. I have worked with alot of Europeans in the U.S.A. and always had great trips, and had alot of very diverse conversations about the world. PM me if I can further advise. Live were you want, and the *ell what the redneck in Lousianna or in Dover, or Dresden has to say about it.
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Hello,
Got a questions, is there for saving money and time (maybe!) any possibilities to go for a JAA license training in US?
I meant to do all the license there in JAA and come back in europe after to find a job (2 years after, so after the crisis hopefully!!)
Is it so crazy?
Thank for the answers, and sorry if my questions can be stupid for some!
Got a questions, is there for saving money and time (maybe!) any possibilities to go for a JAA license training in US?
I meant to do all the license there in JAA and come back in europe after to find a job (2 years after, so after the crisis hopefully!!)
Is it so crazy?
Thank for the answers, and sorry if my questions can be stupid for some!
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Welcome to Pprune! You will find there are lots of experienced pilots here willing to pass on advice and help Wannabees get their foot on the first rung of the ladder.
However they do expect that people spend a little time doing some research because all the questions - including the one you ask - have been asked many times before.
Please use the Search function and read some of the 'Sticky' posts in this forum and the Professional Training Forum. It will take a lot of time but it will also answer your questions.
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Welcome to Pprune! You will find there are lots of experienced pilots here willing to pass on advice and help Wannabees get their foot on the first rung of the ladder.
However they do expect that people spend a little time doing some research because all the questions - including the one you ask - have been asked many times before.
Please use the Search function and read some of the 'Sticky' posts in this forum and the Professional Training Forum. It will take a lot of time but it will also answer your questions.
Bon chance
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Thanks for the replies everyone, first off for those of you who say I won't be able to get a work permit in Europe, i think I've pretty much got that one covered with the German passport.
I hadn't thought of the possibility of flying N registered a/c over there, and didn't know that there were many out there.
I'm not hell bent on going to Europe, I was just exploring if this might be an option to find a job quicker. I'm currently working/living in the US, and am authorized to do so for the rest of my life as well. So no problem there.
Also as stated before I AM willing to pay for a conversion to JAA with the right job offer... no one really spoke to that so I would assume that no one will do this? i.e. offer you a job and then give you enough time to convert your certs?
Also in regards to the JAA conversion isn't there some sort of provision that makes it easier if you have > 500 hrs of Jet time?
Thanks again everyone.
I hadn't thought of the possibility of flying N registered a/c over there, and didn't know that there were many out there.
I'm not hell bent on going to Europe, I was just exploring if this might be an option to find a job quicker. I'm currently working/living in the US, and am authorized to do so for the rest of my life as well. So no problem there.
Also as stated before I AM willing to pay for a conversion to JAA with the right job offer... no one really spoke to that so I would assume that no one will do this? i.e. offer you a job and then give you enough time to convert your certs?
Also in regards to the JAA conversion isn't there some sort of provision that makes it easier if you have > 500 hrs of Jet time?
Thanks again everyone.
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Biz-jet flying is not a pool for furloughed airline pilots!! I see a few post suggesting he go fly Biz-jets. If it were that easy, then all furloughed airline pilots would be doing it. Biz-jet and airline flying is very different, and often the experience required, even as an F/O is a lot higher than that of the airlines.
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Joe,
I think the best solutuion is to enroll in the JAA conversion insanity. It`s a long drawn out academic exercise of lots of archaic useless information. 14 written tests plus a couple of flight tests.
Remember to bring your checkbook, and lots of patience to sit trough this nonsense.
Good Luck....
I think the best solutuion is to enroll in the JAA conversion insanity. It`s a long drawn out academic exercise of lots of archaic useless information. 14 written tests plus a couple of flight tests.
Remember to bring your checkbook, and lots of patience to sit trough this nonsense.
Good Luck....
If you have greater than 1500hrs PIC on a heavy jet (>25 tonnes?) then the conversion to JAA is fairly straight forward I believe, no ATPL exams but an ATPL skills test usually completed in the sim. This gives you a 'restricted' UK ATPL. What will happen when EASA take over completetly I'm not sure.
Getting a Biz jet job in the Europe using an FAA licence is not easy at the moment, in fact it never really was.
Getting a Biz jet job in the Europe using an FAA licence is not easy at the moment, in fact it never really was.
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Hey Joe, I also think you should go ahead and work on getting your JAA
license. It will pay dividends down the road, especially since you are
German and have the right to live and work in Europe. think long term. Good luck!
license. It will pay dividends down the road, especially since you are
German and have the right to live and work in Europe. think long term. Good luck!
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Convert to JAA and then start looking, no one will offer you a job based on giving you time off to convert. If you read Lazors 2008, you will see the requirements to convert. Good luck.
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youngskywalker, nice, but no dice!
Joe,
doing your conversion, is not easy, but a good idea nonetheless. If you have >1500 hrs on a Part 25 a/c, you can just take the 14 written exams. Just take, as in, no one cares how you learn the stuff, you just contact the local JAA and schedule the tests.
If you are <1500 hrs on Part 25 a/c, you will need to do it through a school.
Bottom line, there is NO way around the written exams. Some JAA countries will waive one or two exams, usually the easy ones that don't require a lot of studying.
....and people, wtf-over?! Read the guys post before you start posting idiotic nonsense! The guys says he's german, so wtf is there a point in writing that he'll need a work permit, which he'll never get???
What, out on a holiday-release from the institution?
And to all you nay-sayers, I can tell you, YES, it is possible to do what Joe is inquiring about! And that's from first hand knowledge.
There is a school in FL, Naples Air Center, where you can study and take UK written exams, being State side.
Like some of the other constructive posts, use the search function, and be awed with the amount of useful information.
Joe,
doing your conversion, is not easy, but a good idea nonetheless. If you have >1500 hrs on a Part 25 a/c, you can just take the 14 written exams. Just take, as in, no one cares how you learn the stuff, you just contact the local JAA and schedule the tests.
If you are <1500 hrs on Part 25 a/c, you will need to do it through a school.
Bottom line, there is NO way around the written exams. Some JAA countries will waive one or two exams, usually the easy ones that don't require a lot of studying.
....and people, wtf-over?! Read the guys post before you start posting idiotic nonsense! The guys says he's german, so wtf is there a point in writing that he'll need a work permit, which he'll never get???
What, out on a holiday-release from the institution?
And to all you nay-sayers, I can tell you, YES, it is possible to do what Joe is inquiring about! And that's from first hand knowledge.
There is a school in FL, Naples Air Center, where you can study and take UK written exams, being State side.
Like some of the other constructive posts, use the search function, and be awed with the amount of useful information.
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Hi guys,
I am also a German citizen with a German passport. I moved to the United States back in 2000 and as a result, completed my training there. I graduated last May and currently work as a flight instructor. I have no work experience with airlines, but I would like to keep my options open, which is why I am also looking into converting my FAA licenses to JAA. Before I ask my question, I just want to point out that I do not have the 1500 hours to possibly make the conversion easier, so I also have to do the CPL(A)/IR conversion.
My question is, does it matter in which country I complete the JAA Groundschool and/or flying? For example, if I decided to do the groundschool with Bristol Groundschool, would that have any impact as far as getting a job in Germany or anywhere else in europe for that matter?
From what I understand it doesn't since they all adhere to the JAA standard but I would just like to double check before I start. I'm sorry if this question has been asked before, but I've tried to search the forum for an answer and read the LASORS but without any luck on getting a clear answer.
Thanks in advance!
I am also a German citizen with a German passport. I moved to the United States back in 2000 and as a result, completed my training there. I graduated last May and currently work as a flight instructor. I have no work experience with airlines, but I would like to keep my options open, which is why I am also looking into converting my FAA licenses to JAA. Before I ask my question, I just want to point out that I do not have the 1500 hours to possibly make the conversion easier, so I also have to do the CPL(A)/IR conversion.
My question is, does it matter in which country I complete the JAA Groundschool and/or flying? For example, if I decided to do the groundschool with Bristol Groundschool, would that have any impact as far as getting a job in Germany or anywhere else in europe for that matter?
From what I understand it doesn't since they all adhere to the JAA standard but I would just like to double check before I start. I'm sorry if this question has been asked before, but I've tried to search the forum for an answer and read the LASORS but without any luck on getting a clear answer.
Thanks in advance!
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youngskywalker,
There are a lot of caveats with the "short cut" JAA ATPL.
The most important thing to realise is that it will be only valid for a UK JAA ATPL valid for G-reg aircraft only. If you want to fly for Air France or Ryanair or Lufthansa, you'll need to do the rest of the exams.
The flying experience required is a minimum of 3,000 hours with +1,500 hours PIC on aircraft 30 tonnes or more in primarily international or similar operations.
It is spelled out quite specifically in LASORS.
Section G
G1.5 Note 2
There are a lot of caveats with the "short cut" JAA ATPL.
The most important thing to realise is that it will be only valid for a UK JAA ATPL valid for G-reg aircraft only. If you want to fly for Air France or Ryanair or Lufthansa, you'll need to do the rest of the exams.
The flying experience required is a minimum of 3,000 hours with +1,500 hours PIC on aircraft 30 tonnes or more in primarily international or similar operations.
It is spelled out quite specifically in LASORS.
Section G
G1.5 Note 2