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Hi, I'm new to this forum. I was wondering if NetJets Europe is hiring, and what some realistic and competetive quialifications might be (the only technical ones listed on the website were 1500 hours).
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To be fair, another poster suggested that the OP post here. Probably not realising that this forum is for comparatively low houred folks.
To answer.
We're not hiring for the foreseeable future.
1500 hours min. Pref with 500 hours on a JAR/FAR 25 aircraft.
Usually folks have a LOT more than that. Typically 3,000 hours +.
Must haves.
JAR ATPL. (Some rare exceptions for ex mil, but must have the ATPL theory completed)
European citizenship.
Useful to have.
Another language(s) is useful but not necessary
General aviation experience (that is, charters etc) is useful.
To answer.
We're not hiring for the foreseeable future.
1500 hours min. Pref with 500 hours on a JAR/FAR 25 aircraft.
Usually folks have a LOT more than that. Typically 3,000 hours +.
Must haves.
JAR ATPL. (Some rare exceptions for ex mil, but must have the ATPL theory completed)
European citizenship.
Useful to have.
Another language(s) is useful but not necessary
General aviation experience (that is, charters etc) is useful.
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1500 hours min. Pref with 500 hours on a JAR/FAR 25 aircraft.
Usually folks have a LOT more than that. Typically 3,000 hours +.
Right or wrong we all hope this downturn turns UP again SOON!
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Thank you so much for all your help!!! I have been wanting to work for NJE for a while now and was thinking about getting my required certification and applying, once they start hiring. At the moment, however, I do not have the required certification, as I am an FO for US Airways Express flying DHC8-100 & 300's; all just US licenses (commercial pilot, flight instructor, etc...). I am hoping that after getting these certifications I might be competetive next year or the year after (I'd have about 3000hours multi-engine turbine SIC time with an airline).
Do you guys think these qualifications on this aircraft type (just a turboprop, no jet time) would be competetive (assuming I get the required JAR certifications)?
Also, for anyone who works there...how do you like it there?
Thanks.
Do you guys think these qualifications on this aircraft type (just a turboprop, no jet time) would be competetive (assuming I get the required JAR certifications)?
Also, for anyone who works there...how do you like it there?
Thanks.
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N42ER,
You're not confusing NJE (Europe) with NJA (America)? If you don't have European citizenship then NJE is not available. NJA & NJI have different requirements.
Turboprop time is fine for NJE. I cannot answer for NJA & NJI.
The JAA (or EASA) license is quite expensive and it's not a quick and easy process. That's another topic altogether.
However, I love the job and I think it's a brilliant combination of GA variety with airline quality equipment & pay.
PZ,
You'll note I said "pref" with respect to JAR25 aircraft. We have quite a few crews with us that have "only" had King Air time prior to joining.
Yes, you can join with less hours than what I stated however, since the flying rate is somewhere between 200-500 hours a year (depending), you're looking at 2-3 years at least before you'll have the hours for command. (Something to consider although the seniority list will probably slow you up more.)
We are all hoping the upswing happens soon. I personally cannot see any hiring for at least 6 months if not longer.
You're not confusing NJE (Europe) with NJA (America)? If you don't have European citizenship then NJE is not available. NJA & NJI have different requirements.
Turboprop time is fine for NJE. I cannot answer for NJA & NJI.
The JAA (or EASA) license is quite expensive and it's not a quick and easy process. That's another topic altogether.
However, I love the job and I think it's a brilliant combination of GA variety with airline quality equipment & pay.
PZ,
You'll note I said "pref" with respect to JAR25 aircraft. We have quite a few crews with us that have "only" had King Air time prior to joining.
Yes, you can join with less hours than what I stated however, since the flying rate is somewhere between 200-500 hours a year (depending), you're looking at 2-3 years at least before you'll have the hours for command. (Something to consider although the seniority list will probably slow you up more.)
We are all hoping the upswing happens soon. I personally cannot see any hiring for at least 6 months if not longer.
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Yes, you can join with less hours than what I stated however, since the flying rate is somewhere between 200-500 hours a year (depending), you're looking at 2-3 years at least before you'll have the hours for command.
The FO I spoke recentlty was on his 10th sector since Jan so I guess the pace is even slower right now. However his opinion was that NJE is trying to retain as many crew as they can in order to be ready for the upturn when is comes (if it does...
). I think you are in the best position to confirm that there were very quick LHS transitions in the past but they might be long gone by now...Wishing well
PZ
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Yes, quick upgrades aren't happening anymore. 
NJE are trying to avoid redundancies, so far, so good.
We are all hoping the upswing does come soon, for every one.
NJE are trying to avoid redundancies, so far, so good.
We are all hoping the upswing does come soon, for every one.
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Thanks for your reply redsnail :-)
I'm not confuding the NJE, in fact I have a friend who works for NJI. I am currently an American citizen, however I have an oppourtunity to obtain an EU passport and am looking into FAA-JAA conversion costs.
From what I've seen of the NJE payscale, I could easily pay for the conversion and make the cost back my first year of working, compared to what I'm making as an FO with US Airways Express flying the Dash.
About how much could a first year FO make these days? Have you guys made concessions in pay lately? How many hours a month do you fly? Are you paid by flight hours like an airline or on salary? What are the flight benefits like?
Thanks so much for your help, this forum has been amazing compared to some others I've visited!!!
I'm not confuding the NJE, in fact I have a friend who works for NJI. I am currently an American citizen, however I have an oppourtunity to obtain an EU passport and am looking into FAA-JAA conversion costs.
From what I've seen of the NJE payscale, I could easily pay for the conversion and make the cost back my first year of working, compared to what I'm making as an FO with US Airways Express flying the Dash.
About how much could a first year FO make these days? Have you guys made concessions in pay lately? How many hours a month do you fly? Are you paid by flight hours like an airline or on salary? What are the flight benefits like?
Thanks so much for your help, this forum has been amazing compared to some others I've visited!!!
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"I like planes and stuf" has provided a good link for the current package.
Unfortunately there is no "scale", so the only pay rise is from inflation etc.
The per diems are paid for every day you're on tour. If you're on home standby, no per diems. There is no flight pay.
Tax is slightly different depending if you're UK domiciled or Continent domiciled.
So far no concessions.
Hours per month? It depends on what fleet you're on. The smaller aircraft guys, well, some have done no hours. Medium fleet are probably looking at 10-20 hours a month, large fleet possibly the same or a few more.
A couple of years ago, it was more like 40-50 hours a month. Several things have influenced that apart from the recession. We don't do as many positioning flights as we used to plus we're not going to Iceland or Russia as often.
Do not underestimate the pain and hassle of the conversion. I did it in 2001 (yep, great timing...) and it cost the best part of £15K + living expenses.. The exams are an exercise in obscure weird details and being able to memorise an awful amount of stuff.
If you are set on working in Europe & for NJE, firstly get your passport.
Rules change so don't assume.
Then contact Bristol Ground School and do their ATPL distance learning while you're still earning and gaining experience.
Then pop over for the medical & the brush ups & get the first 6-7 exams done. Repeat in about 3-6 months for the rest of them.
Hopefully, economy's picked up. Do the flying part, probably for you, Dash 8 sim etc. Voila. One EASA/JAR ATPL & residence in Europe.
Send out CVs.
Life is a bit different for a corporate pilot versus airline.
You'll be loading the bags.
Sorting the catering.
Collecting and briefing the passengers/owners.
Serving the owners drinks & having them chat to you in flight (not all the time
Sorting out the toilet services (some fleets are better than others...)
Cleaning and vacuuming the aircraft.
Organising transport.
Dealing with last minute changes to destinations and departure times.
In flight diversions are not unusual.
In some situations - filing flight plans etc.
It's all good fun (except the toilet..). No 2 days are the same. In fact no 2 hours are the same. There's no way I would go back to airline flying.
Unfortunately there is no "scale", so the only pay rise is from inflation etc.
The per diems are paid for every day you're on tour. If you're on home standby, no per diems. There is no flight pay.
Tax is slightly different depending if you're UK domiciled or Continent domiciled.
So far no concessions.
Hours per month? It depends on what fleet you're on. The smaller aircraft guys, well, some have done no hours. Medium fleet are probably looking at 10-20 hours a month, large fleet possibly the same or a few more.
A couple of years ago, it was more like 40-50 hours a month. Several things have influenced that apart from the recession. We don't do as many positioning flights as we used to plus we're not going to Iceland or Russia as often.
Do not underestimate the pain and hassle of the conversion. I did it in 2001 (yep, great timing...) and it cost the best part of £15K + living expenses.. The exams are an exercise in obscure weird details and being able to memorise an awful amount of stuff.
If you are set on working in Europe & for NJE, firstly get your passport.
Rules change so don't assume.
Then contact Bristol Ground School and do their ATPL distance learning while you're still earning and gaining experience.
Then pop over for the medical & the brush ups & get the first 6-7 exams done. Repeat in about 3-6 months for the rest of them.
Hopefully, economy's picked up. Do the flying part, probably for you, Dash 8 sim etc. Voila. One EASA/JAR ATPL & residence in Europe.
Send out CVs.
Life is a bit different for a corporate pilot versus airline.
You'll be loading the bags.
Sorting the catering.
Collecting and briefing the passengers/owners.
Serving the owners drinks & having them chat to you in flight (not all the time
Sorting out the toilet services (some fleets are better than others...)
Cleaning and vacuuming the aircraft.
Organising transport.
Dealing with last minute changes to destinations and departure times.
In flight diversions are not unusual.
In some situations - filing flight plans etc.
It's all good fun (except the toilet..). No 2 days are the same. In fact no 2 hours are the same. There's no way I would go back to airline flying.
PPRuNe Handmaiden
never said it was perfect. Oh, I'm in Lisboa this week, I can have a word with Scheduling if you like. Vnukovo & Chelyabinks suit you?
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so what's the difference between having the passport and having the right to live and work in the EU visa? Seems like having the green card should be good enough?
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The biggest hassle is negotiating visas for other countries. Eg China, Russia, USA etc. It's hard enough dealing with +1,000 crew with European citizenship than to have to wade through the vagaries of other nationalities.
Hence dual citizens travel on their European citizen passport. (eg, me. Australian & British. Travel exclusively for work on my British passport).
Hence dual citizens travel on their European citizen passport. (eg, me. Australian & British. Travel exclusively for work on my British passport).
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would having an American passport as well as a Polish passport be enough to work for NJE? I am engaged to marry a Polish citizen and would myself get my citizenship there...I think
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I am not an immigration expert nor am I in recruitment.
So IMHO the American passport doesn't mean much to NJ[b]E[b] except you won't have to get all the pesky visas to go to the US to train etc.
Poland is a member of the EU and thus would be ok. However, I am not an immigration lawyer so I would check with the Polish authorities exactly what status you would get.
So IMHO the American passport doesn't mean much to NJ[b]E[b] except you won't have to get all the pesky visas to go to the US to train etc.
Poland is a member of the EU and thus would be ok. However, I am not an immigration lawyer so I would check with the Polish authorities exactly what status you would get.