Flybe/Cabair 2009 Part-Sponsorship
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Flybe/Cabair 2009 Part-Sponsorship
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Applications for the 2009 Flybe/Cabair part-sponsorship scheme are now open.
A good scheme - cadets put in about 47k, Flybe put in 23k.
Only trouble is, Flybe have just done a part-sponsorship scheme with FTE Jerez. The cadets on that one are having to put in over 60k whilst Flybe put in 23k. Flybe should be hugely ashamed that they have decided to run part-sponsorships at two different colleges who charge two radically different amounts. If I were about to start on the FTE scheme I would be fuming that I was paying 20k more for the same deal as the Cabair cadets! Outrageous!
Both sets of cadets will start on the same salary, so why should the FTE cadets be financially disadvantaged because they went to FTE not Cabair. Great way to treat your cadets Flybe - that will make them stay for the full 5 year bond
Applications for the 2009 Flybe/Cabair part-sponsorship scheme are now open.
A good scheme - cadets put in about 47k, Flybe put in 23k.
Only trouble is, Flybe have just done a part-sponsorship scheme with FTE Jerez. The cadets on that one are having to put in over 60k whilst Flybe put in 23k. Flybe should be hugely ashamed that they have decided to run part-sponsorships at two different colleges who charge two radically different amounts. If I were about to start on the FTE scheme I would be fuming that I was paying 20k more for the same deal as the Cabair cadets! Outrageous!
Both sets of cadets will start on the same salary, so why should the FTE cadets be financially disadvantaged because they went to FTE not Cabair. Great way to treat your cadets Flybe - that will make them stay for the full 5 year bond
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I thought the flybe/fte MAPS scheme was self financed, ie the cadet pays ALL the money.
The flybe oaa/cabair schemes are part sponsored - flybe pays ~20K of course fees.
AC: I dont know why you are complaining. If a student wants to be a cadet with flybe contributing to course costs, obviously the way forward is to apply for the oaa or cabair schemes.
Just to add, for anyone wanting to go zero to FO in the current downturn then the flybe cadet scheme is clearly the way forward, least risky option. Forget about burning your cash with CTC or going self sponsored!
The flybe oaa/cabair schemes are part sponsored - flybe pays ~20K of course fees.
AC: I dont know why you are complaining. If a student wants to be a cadet with flybe contributing to course costs, obviously the way forward is to apply for the oaa or cabair schemes.
Just to add, for anyone wanting to go zero to FO in the current downturn then the flybe cadet scheme is clearly the way forward, least risky option. Forget about burning your cash with CTC or going self sponsored!
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The bond in reality is only 5 years from date of joining the company. The other 13 months are spent doing your CPL/IR.
Like I said. This is a good scheme. No one else in the UK has consistently offered any form of sponsorship. I just think its sad that Flybe have just finished recruiting for a part-sponsorship scheme at FTE to offer another at Cabair with completely different course costs associated. (Yes they have done a part-sponsorship at FTE as well as the MAPS). I know how I'd feel as one of the FTE part-sponsored cadets ... completely ripped off!
Like I said. This is a good scheme. No one else in the UK has consistently offered any form of sponsorship. I just think its sad that Flybe have just finished recruiting for a part-sponsorship scheme at FTE to offer another at Cabair with completely different course costs associated. (Yes they have done a part-sponsorship at FTE as well as the MAPS). I know how I'd feel as one of the FTE part-sponsored cadets ... completely ripped off!
AlphaCharlie, you are not comparing like-for-like when you just compare basic quoted prices for the two courses.
Don't forget that at FTE the course fees include all accommodation and food. At Cabair that is extra to the cost of the course. 60 weeks+ accommodation and food is not a small amount!
I think AlphaCharlie is talking about the new Flybe/FTE MPL scheme in which, according to Flight International, Flybe contribute up to £20k.
So a further difference between the two is that at FTE you would end up with an MPL, at Cabair a "frozen" ATPL.
Don't forget that at FTE the course fees include all accommodation and food. At Cabair that is extra to the cost of the course. 60 weeks+ accommodation and food is not a small amount!
I thought the flybe/fte MAPS scheme was self financed, ie the cadet pays ALL the money.
So a further difference between the two is that at FTE you would end up with an MPL, at Cabair a "frozen" ATPL.
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Actually AC is correct Flybe/FTE are starting their Part Sponsored and MAPS course in Jerez next month. It's not the MPL scheme it's the same scheme as offered now at cabair.
FTE is more inclusive though so not sure what the ACTUAL difference in course costs would be. Unfortunately FTE's charge is also based on the euro which is now much stronger than it used to be.
Both are excellent schemes though I am sure and the only real safe option our there right now in the UK. (safe being as safe as you ever can be in aviation economics)
FTE is more inclusive though so not sure what the ACTUAL difference in course costs would be. Unfortunately FTE's charge is also based on the euro which is now much stronger than it used to be.
Both are excellent schemes though I am sure and the only real safe option our there right now in the UK. (safe being as safe as you ever can be in aviation economics)
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Can someone elaborate on the statement at the bottom "Flybe would be particularly interested to receive applications from those resident in the Channel Islands or Northern Ireland."
Does this mean they are preferred more to other potential candidates?
Is anyone else put off by the fact that you could have to potentially visit cranfield on 3 separate occasions, especially the guys who live far away and not even get in :s
Does this mean they are preferred more to other potential candidates?
Is anyone else put off by the fact that you could have to potentially visit cranfield on 3 separate occasions, especially the guys who live far away and not even get in :s
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Loving your in-depth knowledge here Groundloop and Aerospace.
FTE/Cabair advertised in August/Sept for 4 part-sponsored and 6 MAPS cadets. So the FTE part-sponsored cadets will pay approx 20k more for their CPL/IR MCC than a Cabair part-sponsored cadet.
If you bothered to read the Cabair/Flybe prospectus, you'd also see that accommodation is included, as are all the other costs such as exam fees, licence issue fees. I think the only thing not included is annual Class 1 renewal fee, plus transport to and from Silsoe to sit your ground exams.
The point I am trying to make is both FTE and Cabair are UK CAA approved integrated colleges. The cadets will all qualify with a UK JAR-FCL CPL/IR with frozen ATPL ground exams.
Only difference is 4 of the cadets will have paid 20k more for this than the others.
As for the statement about JER/GCI/IOM/BHD residents, this is standard on Flybe recruitment adverts for pilots. They find it hard to find people with residency rights in the islands and people who want to be over in Northern Ireland. I don't believe they given any preference to these people at the selection stages - maybe at the final decision if it comes down to a JER resident and a mainland person who they deem to be both equally suitable then they might prefer the island resident, but thats about it I think.
FTE/Cabair advertised in August/Sept for 4 part-sponsored and 6 MAPS cadets. So the FTE part-sponsored cadets will pay approx 20k more for their CPL/IR MCC than a Cabair part-sponsored cadet.
If you bothered to read the Cabair/Flybe prospectus, you'd also see that accommodation is included, as are all the other costs such as exam fees, licence issue fees. I think the only thing not included is annual Class 1 renewal fee, plus transport to and from Silsoe to sit your ground exams.
The point I am trying to make is both FTE and Cabair are UK CAA approved integrated colleges. The cadets will all qualify with a UK JAR-FCL CPL/IR with frozen ATPL ground exams.
Only difference is 4 of the cadets will have paid 20k more for this than the others.
As for the statement about JER/GCI/IOM/BHD residents, this is standard on Flybe recruitment adverts for pilots. They find it hard to find people with residency rights in the islands and people who want to be over in Northern Ireland. I don't believe they given any preference to these people at the selection stages - maybe at the final decision if it comes down to a JER resident and a mainland person who they deem to be both equally suitable then they might prefer the island resident, but thats about it I think.
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Hi
I've just looked into this scheme, and saw the post about 60hrs. Which is a shame, did the MAPS scheme with Jerez have this requirement as well. Most other schemes dont have this, if anything its a plus if you have your PPL. So was a bit dissapointed when I saw the 60hrs or less requirement
I've just looked into this scheme, and saw the post about 60hrs. Which is a shame, did the MAPS scheme with Jerez have this requirement as well. Most other schemes dont have this, if anything its a plus if you have your PPL. So was a bit dissapointed when I saw the 60hrs or less requirement
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Well, for those who have done their research then they will shop around for the best deal on a flybe cadetship, so you have nothing to worry about AC!!
FTE were advertising before Cabair rather hard to shop around when the discounted product is only available after the more expensive one is offered.
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Well done for entirely missing AC's point. FTE were advertising before Cabair rather hard to shop around when the discounted product is only available after the more expensive one is offered.
Bottom line, is any conditional job offer is better than none at all.
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Skeletor I think we are all more than aware what is going on in the "grown up world" as someone who works in the industry I am acutely aware of it and I am certainly not knocking Flybe for running these excellent schemes but as was the point of this thread is that all of the schemes are sold as Flybe cadetships and all offer essentially the same product (yes you do pay for it) however it is now the case that first officers at the same company but not the same fto will have vastly different debt to manage yet all will have applied for a Flybe MAPS scheme. Really I can't believe you see nothing a bit wrong with that model.
That said excellent airline and excellent schools but the way the schemes are sold needs to be rethought.
That said excellent airline and excellent schools but the way the schemes are sold needs to be rethought.
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Whilst I can see and agree to an extent with the original point about two different FOs on the same salary at the same company having different debt levels, frankly I can't help but think that right now, I wouldn't give a monkeys if I knew I had a job at the end of the training course....
Yes, perhaps FlyBE could do something to redress the balance, but the fact is that seat is worth far more than the difference in cost right now...
Think about it really, if it came down to doing the course at FTE on the mentored scheme, or going self sponsored at Cabair right now, would any of you opt for the self sponsored route even if it was £20k cheaper? I think probably not....
Yes, perhaps FlyBE could do something to redress the balance, but the fact is that seat is worth far more than the difference in cost right now...
Think about it really, if it came down to doing the course at FTE on the mentored scheme, or going self sponsored at Cabair right now, would any of you opt for the self sponsored route even if it was £20k cheaper? I think probably not....
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There's a very succinct answer to all this - if you don't like what's on offer, don't bother with Flybe and go and find another large airline that's prepared to offer zero-experience cadets the opportunity to go straight into the right hand seat of a modern glass cockpit airliner. Ahh, hang on a minute . . .
The airline world is full of people on the same pay grade who have incurred wildly different training costs. Colleagues who trained at FTE and Oxford spent nearly twice as much as me to get the same licence and the same salary. So what? Should they get more money because their training was more expensive?
Personally, if I was sat at home with zero experience, I'd be mighty chuffed that an airline was running not just one, but several cadet programmes, rather than moaning about why scheme x costs more than scheme y.
The airline world is full of people on the same pay grade who have incurred wildly different training costs. Colleagues who trained at FTE and Oxford spent nearly twice as much as me to get the same licence and the same salary. So what? Should they get more money because their training was more expensive?
Personally, if I was sat at home with zero experience, I'd be mighty chuffed that an airline was running not just one, but several cadet programmes, rather than moaning about why scheme x costs more than scheme y.
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flybe will always have to spread their requirement of FOs across a number of FTOs. Its the case for the airline of not putting all your eggs in one basket.
There are so many different routes from ab-initio into flybe that YOU as a potential cadet have a CHOICE which is a good thing. Youve got: modular, integrated, MPL, self sponsored, mentored or part sponsored. So you have the choice over which type of training course you can do and which school you can go to, as well as which type of funding route you want to go down.
Oh, and you get a free* type rating.
Pretty good for an industry in chaos.
There are so many different routes from ab-initio into flybe that YOU as a potential cadet have a CHOICE which is a good thing. Youve got: modular, integrated, MPL, self sponsored, mentored or part sponsored. So you have the choice over which type of training course you can do and which school you can go to, as well as which type of funding route you want to go down.
Oh, and you get a free* type rating.
Pretty good for an industry in chaos.
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