How can a B777 first officer be so young?
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"its all down to luck to be honest! These young types that get on the heavies at such a young age have the contacts! Daddy flies for x airline and hey presto your in through the back door!
Most of them dont know thier arse from thier elbow but they have the contacts/connections!"
i don't understand why some of you guys have such a negative opinion on new pilots. I've almost completed my training & what gives u the right to assume that I, as a 22 year old pilot, "don't know my arse from my elbow"?
the simple fact of the matter is that you don't know how old this guy is, you don't know how hard he worked to get there so you shouldn't criticise him just because you are jealous.
Maybe when this industry begins to accept that there are so many fantastic young pilot coming through the ranks will they begin to sort out this narrow minded attitude so many of the "old guard" choose to accept!!
Most of them dont know thier arse from thier elbow but they have the contacts/connections!"
i don't understand why some of you guys have such a negative opinion on new pilots. I've almost completed my training & what gives u the right to assume that I, as a 22 year old pilot, "don't know my arse from my elbow"?
the simple fact of the matter is that you don't know how old this guy is, you don't know how hard he worked to get there so you shouldn't criticise him just because you are jealous.
Maybe when this industry begins to accept that there are so many fantastic young pilot coming through the ranks will they begin to sort out this narrow minded attitude so many of the "old guard" choose to accept!!
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Maybe when this industry begins to accept that there are so many fantastic young pilot coming through the ranks will they begin to sort out this narrow minded attitude so many of the "old guard" choose to accept!!
Whoever posted the rubbish about daddy fixing it and arse from elbow etc has an axe to grind, don't think he or she represents the attitude of most line pilots out there. As has been pointed out, F/Os flying jets in their early 20s is nothing new, certainly in Europe, and it is widely accepted. Just as long as you don't choose your sandwich before the captain has chosen his
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Just as long as you don't choose your sandwich before the captain has chosen his
. All crew food packaged neatly in... a bin bag 
Prob just my company lol.
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Started flying the A330 when I was 24, while one of my friends on the fleet was 22. Can't see the problem with it and certainly has nothing to do with having the contacts.
In our company it is all down to seniority and we have been lucky to join the company at the right time.
In all my years on the A330 never had any problems with any of the old guard.
You will probably see that Expedite08 is a bitter and twisted wanabee.
In our company it is all down to seniority and we have been lucky to join the company at the right time.
In all my years on the A330 never had any problems with any of the old guard.
You will probably see that Expedite08 is a bitter and twisted wanabee.
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I was sitting in the RHS of the B737 at 21.
That could very well have been a B767 had HR called a different person in the pool !
Age is not a issue when it comes to flying the aircraft and many may find these younger pilots have qualities and an outlook that is superior to many older pilots who are starting to focus more on their pensions than the job!
P.S. If you look closely, you'll see 3 stripes on his shoulder indicating a certain level of experience.
That could very well have been a B767 had HR called a different person in the pool !
Age is not a issue when it comes to flying the aircraft and many may find these younger pilots have qualities and an outlook that is superior to many older pilots who are starting to focus more on their pensions than the job!
P.S. If you look closely, you'll see 3 stripes on his shoulder indicating a certain level of experience.
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If it makes you feel better, youngest 777 FO here in Canada is in his
very late 40's
Very different world in North America compared to Europe.
Nobody here makes it onto wide bodies, until it is very well earned.
It has nothing to do with skill......just simple supply and demand.
Junior might be a total joke.....but if he is the best they can find at
the time, then he gets the job......the airline is not going to leave the
seat empty and cancel flights.
Young doesn't mean special skilled.......simply that they couldn't attract
anyone more experienced.
very late 40's
Very different world in North America compared to Europe.
Nobody here makes it onto wide bodies, until it is very well earned.
It has nothing to do with skill......just simple supply and demand.
Junior might be a total joke.....but if he is the best they can find at
the time, then he gets the job......the airline is not going to leave the
seat empty and cancel flights.
Young doesn't mean special skilled.......simply that they couldn't attract
anyone more experienced.
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The next time anyone wants to listen to an airline captain pontificate on his experience, just remember that 19 year old sitting in the seat right next to them and try to keep a straight face. If it seems crazy that airlines are passing on experienced pilots to put kids up front, your right, it is crazy.
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Has to be the right experience, training and personality. Simple hours do not necessarily equate to the best individual in a particular company.
If it were, there would be no interviews, and all would be hired based upon hours logged. It is not that way for a reason.
If it were, there would be no interviews, and all would be hired based upon hours logged. It is not that way for a reason.
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You can't beat experience! And most people can recognize the guys who have worked their way up via turbo-props and the smaller jets. Other than that though good luck to the guy, if he didn't have the "chops" for it he wouldn't have gotten his type rating.
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"its all down to luck to be honest! These young types that get on the heavies at such a young age have the contacts! Daddy flies for x airline and hey presto your in through the back door!
Most of them dont know thier arse from thier elbow but they have the contacts/connections!"
Well, its pretty true here in India. I knew a 22 year old guy who failed in his CPL meteorology exam nearly 3 times yet is flying the A320 because his old man is the Head of Ops in that airline. He roughly has about 350 hrs on the A320 now and a TT of about 550 and he is going to be type rated on the A330 in summer 2009.
Most of them dont know thier arse from thier elbow but they have the contacts/connections!"
Well, its pretty true here in India. I knew a 22 year old guy who failed in his CPL meteorology exam nearly 3 times yet is flying the A320 because his old man is the Head of Ops in that airline. He roughly has about 350 hrs on the A320 now and a TT of about 550 and he is going to be type rated on the A330 in summer 2009.
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If it seems crazy that airlines are passing on experienced pilots to put kids up front, your right, it is crazy.
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There is a freight company in Belgium that has many 20 ish year olds flying the A300. Some start with as few hours as 180 total time and the A300 is their first non-training aircraft type. As you would expect there are some who are very switched on and with it, others who take a bit longer.
There are many who upgrade well before most North American companies would start to look at them for F/O positions!
It is simply a case of being in the right place at the right time, plus possibly having a training captain at airline running the flight school.
There are many who upgrade well before most North American companies would start to look at them for F/O positions!
It is simply a case of being in the right place at the right time, plus possibly having a training captain at airline running the flight school.
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Basically a useless thread... yes it is possible, no it is not that rare (Air Force, Airlines, GA, etc...) and no they don't crash every week.
Pprune at his best. How about the following thread. 20 year old pilot has control when 767 takes off.... By rotating at the right time, he avoided chuch/school/hospital and thanks to the Pilot who raised the gear when called to do so, managed avoid killing 300 people on board.
BBA News reports that the co pilot had received extensive and appropriate training. He had also passed all required test, exams, LPCs, OPCs, Line Checks, Medicals, ATPLs.... So BBA news asks the question ? Are we all in danger to be flown by FOs such as the one mentioned above ?
What about the landing ? Collision avoided by pure luck or again another non event reported here ?
Sad, sad, sad
Pprune at his best. How about the following thread. 20 year old pilot has control when 767 takes off.... By rotating at the right time, he avoided chuch/school/hospital and thanks to the Pilot who raised the gear when called to do so, managed avoid killing 300 people on board.
BBA News reports that the co pilot had received extensive and appropriate training. He had also passed all required test, exams, LPCs, OPCs, Line Checks, Medicals, ATPLs.... So BBA news asks the question ? Are we all in danger to be flown by FOs such as the one mentioned above ?
What about the landing ? Collision avoided by pure luck or again another non event reported here ?
Sad, sad, sad
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Just so I'm sure can someone tell me if im dangerous too..
I'm 36, Ive had my command of the A340-500/600 for 4 years, I have nearly 9000 hours, so are we looking for hours experiance or age?
I just want to see if I should look for an older wiser head to come fly with me?
As someone said this is utter tosh!!
I'm 36, Ive had my command of the A340-500/600 for 4 years, I have nearly 9000 hours, so are we looking for hours experiance or age?
I just want to see if I should look for an older wiser head to come fly with me?
As someone said this is utter tosh!!