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quicksilver911,
I too am sharing your sentiments as my status is also Blank. It's been blank for over a month or so and there isn't any indication that I will get called for an assessment at the end of this month.
As you have already mentioned those who have been 'Under Review' have already been invited as they have now moved to inviting the rest of Europe.
Even a simple email to say that I may be considered for future intakes would suffice. At present, I'm feeling slightly demoralised lest to say losing hope!
All the best to guys who have managed to get an invite.
I too am sharing your sentiments as my status is also Blank. It's been blank for over a month or so and there isn't any indication that I will get called for an assessment at the end of this month.
As you have already mentioned those who have been 'Under Review' have already been invited as they have now moved to inviting the rest of Europe.
Even a simple email to say that I may be considered for future intakes would suffice. At present, I'm feeling slightly demoralised lest to say losing hope!
All the best to guys who have managed to get an invite.
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still,I rather be a second officer with them than strugle to get a £65k with the uncertainty of getting a job or not!
A first officer I've flown with other day told me that the panorama isn't good for the next 24 months,at least for european carriers.There's a bit of anxiety within the longhaul flight crew,the A380 and the b787 are delayed,which the airline saw with good eyes as if our planes are delayed,it means everyone else are too,competitors bought aircraft to expand too,we arent growing so arent they!but,there's two sides of the coin,the 747 for examples will be phased out,that means jobs and oportunities...simple guys!
then remenber United announcement,100 aircraft grounded,Ryanair 20,TAP asked their government for help,so as Alitalia....
Yes,second officer,dont care,"you dont start to build a house from the roof"...humility,start from the botton and slowly but surely you'll get to left hand seat
A first officer I've flown with other day told me that the panorama isn't good for the next 24 months,at least for european carriers.There's a bit of anxiety within the longhaul flight crew,the A380 and the b787 are delayed,which the airline saw with good eyes as if our planes are delayed,it means everyone else are too,competitors bought aircraft to expand too,we arent growing so arent they!but,there's two sides of the coin,the 747 for examples will be phased out,that means jobs and oportunities...simple guys!
then remenber United announcement,100 aircraft grounded,Ryanair 20,TAP asked their government for help,so as Alitalia....
Yes,second officer,dont care,"you dont start to build a house from the roof"...humility,start from the botton and slowly but surely you'll get to left hand seat
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Rapha_BA, I totally agree, despite people's 'links' aviation is one industry where you won't get the job if you don't have what it takes. The risks are way too high. By the way, I wasn't in any way implying that you have inside connections when I used your application as an example, I was just trying to point out that most people got their invites this week.
However, like CruiseControl says, a yes or no is better than a BLANK. A yes is nice, a no is a bummer, but you get over it. Being left in limbo, well I suppose that has its benefits (its not a 'no'), but it seems like a little bit of false hope. It's even worse when you consider that the entry requirements aren't phenomenal (no bragging intended). That said, I think those with BLANK still have some hope. As those with invites have said, they were asked if they can make the date, and if they can't presumably they might get called again, so maybe BLANKS still have a chance. I still can't help thinking that BLANKS are being treated second-rate though, which is a shame. I'm all for humility, but I'm even more for open honesty.
My thoughts on the bonded 6 year employment: assume they want to recoup 500k over 72 months, that's approx 7k a month. Using the EY website FO pay of approx 25k per month, you could expect 18k per month during bonded pay. Realistically, I agree that one won't be an FO upon graduation, and will probably play SO for a while. Let's also assume that they are prudent and don't want to wait the full 72 months to recoup their outlay. I reckon they will recoup in 3 years, which means 14k per month. So 25k-14k gives 11k. I think that will be the pay for 3 years, as SO. After 3 years you'll be an FO, but perhaps earning the 18k a month as above (they have to get some monetary benefit out of this). After 3 years at 18k, you'll move up to the full FO base pay of 25k per month. This all excludes any consideration of inflation of course.
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Rapha_BA, I totally agree, despite people's 'links' aviation is one industry where you won't get the job if you don't have what it takes. The risks are way too high. By the way, I wasn't in any way implying that you have inside connections when I used your application as an example, I was just trying to point out that most people got their invites this week.
However, like CruiseControl says, a yes or no is better than a BLANK. A yes is nice, a no is a bummer, but you get over it. Being left in limbo, well I suppose that has its benefits (its not a 'no'), but it seems like a little bit of false hope. It's even worse when you consider that the entry requirements aren't phenomenal (no bragging intended). That said, I think those with BLANK still have some hope. As those with invites have said, they were asked if they can make the date, and if they can't presumably they might get called again, so maybe BLANKS still have a chance. I still can't help thinking that BLANKS are being treated second-rate though, which is a shame. I'm all for humility, but I'm even more for open honesty.
My thoughts on the bonded 6 year employment: assume they want to recoup 500k over 72 months, that's approx 7k a month. Using the EY website FO pay of approx 25k per month, you could expect 18k per month during bonded pay. Realistically, I agree that one won't be an FO upon graduation, and will probably play SO for a while. Let's also assume that they are prudent and don't want to wait the full 72 months to recoup their outlay. I reckon they will recoup in 3 years, which means 14k per month. So 25k-14k gives 11k. I think that will be the pay for 3 years, as SO. After 3 years you'll be an FO, but perhaps earning the 18k a month as above (they have to get some monetary benefit out of this). After 3 years at 18k, you'll move up to the full FO base pay of 25k per month. This all excludes any consideration of inflation of course.
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Ahh no mate,in no way I thought that!matter of a fact I have absolutely NO contacts with Etihad at all!!!I mentioned that because someone asked EYZ if he worked for Etihad,but he never answere,my point was that working or not,should be fair for everyone!
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My reading lead me to believe SOs do more legwork, e.g. pre-flight checks, etc. I think its all good though, we need that stuff engraved in our brains.
CruiseControl, I have had one thought about BLANK status. It could be a random bug or something in their software, and perhaps one of the HR people presses 'the wrong button' causing everything to crapshoot, and perhaps they lose the application. The whole status entry completely disappearing (no title 'Status:' and no entry after it, that's what I gather from the earlier posts) is just too odd an implementation. I wonder if there's any benefit in putting in a second application to see what happens? Could you have bad luck twice?
Oh, and for those 'under review', has that now changed after you've received an invite?
However, I'd like others (who have some experience on the HR side of things) as to whether the EY HR computer system would flag a double application. Personally I don't think it should matter, this isn't a lottery, and two applications can easily happen in many systems if the user double clicks the submit button.
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My reading lead me to believe SOs do more legwork, e.g. pre-flight checks, etc. I think its all good though, we need that stuff engraved in our brains.
CruiseControl, I have had one thought about BLANK status. It could be a random bug or something in their software, and perhaps one of the HR people presses 'the wrong button' causing everything to crapshoot, and perhaps they lose the application. The whole status entry completely disappearing (no title 'Status:' and no entry after it, that's what I gather from the earlier posts) is just too odd an implementation. I wonder if there's any benefit in putting in a second application to see what happens? Could you have bad luck twice?
Oh, and for those 'under review', has that now changed after you've received an invite?
However, I'd like others (who have some experience on the HR side of things) as to whether the EY HR computer system would flag a double application. Personally I don't think it should matter, this isn't a lottery, and two applications can easily happen in many systems if the user double clicks the submit button.
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Well...As i understand...they put you on the A320 at the end of the course..I don't think you will go on long haul...
For quicksilver911:
Are you sure about the pay of the SO/FO?..I mean, It 's very high retribution (I hope you are right!!
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For quicksilver911:
Are you sure about the pay of the SO/FO?..I mean, It 's very high retribution
(I hope you are right!!)..
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On paper it might seem as hig retribution and for an 18 or 19 yr old that may be right, but really its still in the "nut" kingdom...very close to peanuts.
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So...I think you are right...but,if it's only "penauts"...How we can live there?I don't think they will pay for accomodation,trasport ecc... after the completation of the Course..
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I'm guessing that the SO/FO renumeration is about that much. I have no concrete evidence, just some maths-based assumption. I've also calculated the 3 year SO, 3 year FO schedule through basic aviation understanding and basic financial estimation, and I could easily be wrong. I'm almost certain they will cover accommodation after graduation. Airlines in that area usually have large residence complexes, or they offer a certain amount of rental cover if you want to get your own place. I think the bonded years will be comfortable living, but not enough to make much savings (dependent on how 'average' a spender you are)
For the level of seniority, I think the pay is acceptable. (Let's not start flames on humility, and 'airlines don't owe you anything'). If after six years EY moves a cadet to full-scale FO base pay at 25k, and presumably another 3-5 years later to Captain's base pay at 35k, I think that's a pretty good career deal; till retirement, if you don't get fired and they don't go bust. The prior can happen quite more easily than here though, so hone your diplomacy skills.
The KEY question is not pay, however. You know that after a few years in most countries you will move up to that kind of pay in a similar time frame, and you will earn that kind of pay for like 20+ years until you retire, so its not really worth considering the early years that much (that's my opinion).
The KEY question is, are you (and your partner/kids if applicable) willing to live in AUH. I remember people talking about moving back home, and needing to change licenses to do that, etc. I think moving back, or living separately from your family (they being in Europe) is a significant undertaking, and requires deep consideration. I know we all love flying, but love is blinding
As regards the work of the SO, I'm not too knowledged, but yeah apart from doing extra legwork, he can also be flight engineer (doing all the calcs, radio, etc, but not really holding the stick) on the bigger, older planes, but I don't think Etihad any of those? I think it applies to the 747 basically, maybe the a340-600? Have they they taken delivery of any of those yet? Maybe the a380 runs that kind of configuration as well?
I'm confused now. I don't think they will make SO's on graduation, if, as I said above, they don't have the aircraft. I think graduates will be FO's, but with cut rate pay. But again, remember that the big part is moving to AUH for a heck of a lot of years (6 + 1.5 training). Geez, I was just starting into uni and THAT was a loooong time ago!!!
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I'm guessing that the SO/FO renumeration is about that much. I have no concrete evidence, just some maths-based assumption. I've also calculated the 3 year SO, 3 year FO schedule through basic aviation understanding and basic financial estimation, and I could easily be wrong. I'm almost certain they will cover accommodation after graduation. Airlines in that area usually have large residence complexes, or they offer a certain amount of rental cover if you want to get your own place. I think the bonded years will be comfortable living, but not enough to make much savings (dependent on how 'average' a spender you are
)For the level of seniority, I think the pay is acceptable. (Let's not start flames on humility, and 'airlines don't owe you anything'). If after six years EY moves a cadet to full-scale FO base pay at 25k, and presumably another 3-5 years later to Captain's base pay at 35k, I think that's a pretty good career deal; till retirement, if you don't get fired and they don't go bust. The prior can happen quite more easily than here though, so hone your diplomacy skills.
The KEY question is not pay, however. You know that after a few years in most countries you will move up to that kind of pay in a similar time frame, and you will earn that kind of pay for like 20+ years until you retire, so its not really worth considering the early years that much (that's my opinion).
The KEY question is, are you (and your partner/kids if applicable) willing to live in AUH. I remember people talking about moving back home, and needing to change licenses to do that, etc. I think moving back, or living separately from your family (they being in Europe) is a significant undertaking, and requires deep consideration. I know we all love flying, but love is blinding
As regards the work of the SO, I'm not too knowledged, but yeah apart from doing extra legwork, he can also be flight engineer (doing all the calcs, radio, etc, but not really holding the stick) on the bigger, older planes, but I don't think Etihad any of those? I think it applies to the 747 basically, maybe the a340-600? Have they they taken delivery of any of those yet? Maybe the a380 runs that kind of configuration as well?
I'm confused now. I don't think they will make SO's on graduation, if, as I said above, they don't have the aircraft. I think graduates will be FO's, but with cut rate pay. But again, remember that the big part is moving to AUH for a heck of a lot of years (6 + 1.5 training). Geez, I was just starting into uni and THAT was a loooong time ago!!!
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dubble^2 suggestion works quite well as well.
Starting at 1/2 pay, and building up to full pay at the start of the 7th year basically gives them a net saving of 525k.
Assuming 67 flying hours a month in the right hand seat from day one, you'd be in line for captain of a320 (5500 hrs) at 6.8 years, or a340 (7000 hrs) at 8.7 years. Those hours are the requirements on the EY website. Now, don't get your hopes up, no one said you'll get those hours from day one, and no one said your not gonna take holidays, and no one said things won't change in the future. However, I think captaincy (of something) in 3-5 years seems possible. I think that's also normal in the industry, right?
Starting at 1/2 pay, and building up to full pay at the start of the 7th year basically gives them a net saving of 525k.
Assuming 67 flying hours a month in the right hand seat from day one, you'd be in line for captain of a320 (5500 hrs) at 6.8 years, or a340 (7000 hrs) at 8.7 years. Those hours are the requirements on the EY website. Now, don't get your hopes up, no one said you'll get those hours from day one, and no one said your not gonna take holidays, and no one said things won't change in the future. However, I think captaincy (of something) in 3-5 years seems possible. I think that's also normal in the industry, right?
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Yup quicksilver...its not an easy thing moving! I lived in AUH for about 14 years, moved to canada for about 8 years, and i found it very different when i went back to visit! The people are just different mentally and appearance wise...
I think whats even more difficult is that the training is in Al Ain. Al Ain is a tiny and remote city in the middle of a desert. Look it up on google maps. looks quite depressing!
I think another aspect EY should take into consideration is the chance of selected cadets flopping on the whole thing after getting in. Specially younger ones! (including myself)
just my $0.02
I think whats even more difficult is that the training is in Al Ain. Al Ain is a tiny and remote city in the middle of a desert. Look it up on google maps. looks quite depressing!
I think another aspect EY should take into consideration is the chance of selected cadets flopping on the whole thing after getting in. Specially younger ones! (including myself)
just my $0.02
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And sadly, the more they make us wait, the harder it'll be to arrange a flight and the hotel... not to say that the flight is getting more and more expensive by the hour.
they say "reply to this email if you are available on the 28th and ...."
Well, i would be available if you told me the details now. If the assessment is at 8am, i will need a hotel and a Sunday afternoon flight (no good for last minute bookings), and that is another variable... on the other side, if this is an afternoon assessment, the hotel would be needed till Tuesday. See my point? Luckily we still got 17 days.
they say "reply to this email if you are available on the 28th and ...."
Well, i would be available if you told me the details now. If the assessment is at 8am, i will need a hotel and a Sunday afternoon flight (no good for last minute bookings), and that is another variable... on the other side, if this is an afternoon assessment, the hotel would be needed till Tuesday. See my point? Luckily we still got 17 days.
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AeroMar,
I think you can safely do the trip in one day, if you can find flights with the right departure times. Fly in 27th anytime and check in at the hotel. Sleep (if you can control the excitement). Do the interview on 28th, fly out the night of 28th. I recall the June interviewee at AUH said its 2.5 hours long, so flying out at night should be fine. They won't bring the session to an end too late at night.
If its anything like UK interviews (not just aviation interviews), then 2.5 hours will probably mean 1pm start, 3.30pm finish. This allows people to depart in the morning, and return home by night time.
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I think you can safely do the trip in one day, if you can find flights with the right departure times. Fly in 27th anytime and check in at the hotel. Sleep (if you can control the excitement). Do the interview on 28th, fly out the night of 28th. I recall the June interviewee at AUH said its 2.5 hours long, so flying out at night should be fine. They won't bring the session to an end too late at night.
If its anything like UK interviews (not just aviation interviews), then 2.5 hours will probably mean 1pm start, 3.30pm finish. This allows people to depart in the morning, and return home by night time.
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quicksilver, and d_d
Well the idea of flopping is something each individual has to think of, and make up their mind on, before they even get invited to the interview. What I mean to say is that, you have to be prepared and understand the pros and cons of everything, and know for yourself what you value, and what is most important to you.
The last thing you want to do is waste not only your time, but the valuable time of the recruiter, if you are not even sure you would want to live in AUH/Al-Ain. And, d_d I personally think EY does take into consideration the chances of a candidate ‘flopping’ on them. This is done by multiple stages of tests, and interviews, and more interviews, which greatly minimizes EY’s chances of selecting the wrong candidates. Do you agree?
As for becoming a Captain (quicksilver911), I think it’s not as simple as 3-5 years of service, and bam your promoted. From what I read it is mostly later on in your life around mid-career (35-45). Mind you, this would be the captain of a larger aircraft (A330 or bigger). But having said that, I guess a lot depends on you and how fast you want to excel, and the airlines needs at the time. Also, you simply have to be the best at what you do. Airlines do have check-rides every 6-months I believe for every pilot. The pass mark is no longer the traditional 50%-60%, but it is 85%-90%. Keep in mind that these standards are set because of a multi-million dollar machine, and 100’s of lives in your hands. All in all, 3-5 years to captain is questionable, but the speed at which one becomes a captain is dependant on themselves. Some F/O, stay FO’s for the rest of their careers, because they can’t handle the responsibility, leadership skills, and for various other reasons.
Anyways, good luck to all that have been invited!
The last thing you want to do is waste not only your time, but the valuable time of the recruiter, if you are not even sure you would want to live in AUH/Al-Ain. And, d_d I personally think EY does take into consideration the chances of a candidate ‘flopping’ on them. This is done by multiple stages of tests, and interviews, and more interviews, which greatly minimizes EY’s chances of selecting the wrong candidates. Do you agree?
As for becoming a Captain (quicksilver911), I think it’s not as simple as 3-5 years of service, and bam your promoted. From what I read it is mostly later on in your life around mid-career (35-45). Mind you, this would be the captain of a larger aircraft (A330 or bigger). But having said that, I guess a lot depends on you and how fast you want to excel, and the airlines needs at the time. Also, you simply have to be the best at what you do. Airlines do have check-rides every 6-months I believe for every pilot. The pass mark is no longer the traditional 50%-60%, but it is 85%-90%. Keep in mind that these standards are set because of a multi-million dollar machine, and 100’s of lives in your hands. All in all, 3-5 years to captain is questionable, but the speed at which one becomes a captain is dependant on themselves. Some F/O, stay FO’s for the rest of their careers, because they can’t handle the responsibility, leadership skills, and for various other reasons.
Anyways, good luck to all that have been invited!