Which type rating to choose?
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Which type rating to choose?
Evening all...
Ok, some advice needed. I'm seriously considering self funding a TR and would simply like views on the best choice of A/C, 737, 757, 767, A320 etc.
I dont want a lecture on the moralities of SSTR's or any of that stuff just an honest opinion of which type would be of greatrest benefit.
Also with only 300 hrs is it a TR which might clinch the first job or are more hours preferable.
Im sure this subject has been done to death but couldnt find much with a search so any up to date info would be greatly appreciated, as would any recomendations of training providers in the uk.
DPT
Ok, some advice needed. I'm seriously considering self funding a TR and would simply like views on the best choice of A/C, 737, 757, 767, A320 etc.
I dont want a lecture on the moralities of SSTR's or any of that stuff just an honest opinion of which type would be of greatrest benefit.
Also with only 300 hrs is it a TR which might clinch the first job or are more hours preferable.
Im sure this subject has been done to death but couldnt find much with a search so any up to date info would be greatly appreciated, as would any recomendations of training providers in the uk.
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Dihaz,
Yes but only with hours on type. Not included in most SSTR schemes.
L Met.
dontpressthat,
A320.
Have you thought about become a FI? One way to build hours up and also cover the cost of repaying the loans that I assume you took out to pay for your training.
I know you didn't want a lecture on the moralities of it. So I won't tell you what a plonker you are..
L Met.
Yes but only with hours on type. Not included in most SSTR schemes.
L Met.
dontpressthat,
A320.
Have you thought about become a FI? One way to build hours up and also cover the cost of repaying the loans that I assume you took out to pay for your training.
I know you didn't want a lecture on the moralities of it. So I won't tell you what a plonker you are..
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djfingerscrossed,
Yes very good point made. There are numerous companies out there offering sim assessments that follow the RYR assessment profiles. Just google Flight deck technology or virtual aviation.
Eitherway best of luck, what ever you choose to do.
L Met.
Yes very good point made. There are numerous companies out there offering sim assessments that follow the RYR assessment profiles. Just google Flight deck technology or virtual aviation.
Eitherway best of luck, what ever you choose to do.
L Met.
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L'met,
A plonker eh...? even though you have no idea of my situation.. well as you didnt ask...
33 yrs old, 300hrs £60k debt and I need to start earning enough to knock a hole in it ASAP.
The way I see it, FI course £7K and upto 3mths, then look for a job instructing and earn approx £10-£15k p/a then after a year or two instructing and struggling to live, if Im lucky I may have enough hours to make myself appealing, by which time Ive had to pay more c/card interest, struggle with the rent and bills etc etc.
Alternatively, cough up £18k and hopefully get myself on the ladder earning a good wedge to pay bills/debts (albeit larger) etc hopefully a lot sooner.
It seems to me that most Airlines either bond you or reduce your salary for a period if they fund TR so whats the difference in paying for it yourself upfront?
So there you are...!!! thats the reason I asked, If I am going to go ahead with it I thought I'd atleast give myself the best shot by doing an in demand TR.
So L'met if you know of an airline thats offering TR's for free or Instructors jobs that pay £30k and guarantee 500hrs p/a please point me in the right direction.
DPT
A plonker eh...? even though you have no idea of my situation.. well as you didnt ask...
33 yrs old, 300hrs £60k debt and I need to start earning enough to knock a hole in it ASAP.
The way I see it, FI course £7K and upto 3mths, then look for a job instructing and earn approx £10-£15k p/a then after a year or two instructing and struggling to live, if Im lucky I may have enough hours to make myself appealing, by which time Ive had to pay more c/card interest, struggle with the rent and bills etc etc.
Alternatively, cough up £18k and hopefully get myself on the ladder earning a good wedge to pay bills/debts (albeit larger) etc hopefully a lot sooner.
It seems to me that most Airlines either bond you or reduce your salary for a period if they fund TR so whats the difference in paying for it yourself upfront?
So there you are...!!! thats the reason I asked, If I am going to go ahead with it I thought I'd atleast give myself the best shot by doing an in demand TR.
So L'met if you know of an airline thats offering TR's for free or Instructors jobs that pay £30k and guarantee 500hrs p/a please point me in the right direction.
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I know two people who did an SSTR. One took two years before he got a job and had to pay to keep not only his ME and IR current, but his TR as well. The other bought an Airbus TR and eventually got a job on TPs and had to buy a second TR. You asked not to be lectured, so I won't, but you didn't ask not to be told whether anyone knows someone it has or hasn't worked for.
If you go to a Ryanair Open Day and submit your CV, you have a very high chance of getting interviewed and assessed. They'll make you pay for the assessment and the TR if they hire you, but at least you are unlikely to end up like my two acquaintances, throwing good money after bad.
If you go to a Ryanair Open Day and submit your CV, you have a very high chance of getting interviewed and assessed. They'll make you pay for the assessment and the TR if they hire you, but at least you are unlikely to end up like my two acquaintances, throwing good money after bad.
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DJ,
Unfortunately, I didnt pass the RYR assessment a couple of weeeks ago and as far as CTC goes, I understand they require A-levels or equivalent for entry and thats not a trick I have in my bag.
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Unfortunately, I didnt pass the RYR assessment a couple of weeeks ago and as far as CTC goes, I understand they require A-levels or equivalent for entry and thats not a trick I have in my bag.
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It seems to me that most Airlines either bond you or reduce your salary for a period if they fund TR so whats the difference in paying for it yourself upfront?
Personally I think you're nuts, and many other people will agree with me, but I'm sure you don't care what I think!
Good luck, hope it works out for you
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Did Ryanair invite you to try again? If so, I would suggest doing a JOC in a 737 sim immediately before the retake. I think both CTC and OAA offer them and they won't have any pre-requisites other than an fATPL and a couple of grand. Given the number of OAA grads going to RYR, that might be a good place to prepare via a JOC if RYR invited you to try again.
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Fuel costs are rising, recession is upon is, airlines have been consolodating. Buying a TR with no job offer is seriously dangerous. You only ned to look at Flighglobal, Rishworth etc etc...all the 73 and A320 jobs require TR AND 500/1000, even more hours on type. Theyre not interested in people with just a TR. Its useless without experience. If you feel you must stoop to buying a TR then probably better to do TP rating...an ATR perhaps.
There are still jobs out there however, you just have to be very realistic and very persistant in the way you aprroach them.
There are still jobs out there however, you just have to be very realistic and very persistant in the way you aprroach them.
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Adios, RYR havent offered but the JOC then another stab at it sounds like a good option.
DJ, Thanks mate.. will keep plugging away for now I think and slap myself briskly round the chops the next time I consider lashing out on a TR.
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DJ, Thanks mate.. will keep plugging away for now I think and slap myself briskly round the chops the next time I consider lashing out on a TR.
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DPT,
I don't know what your personal circumstances are at the moment, but could you not get a part time job with a "normal" company and then do the FI part time also. It would keep you current and help you pay off some of the debt.
I don't know what your personal circumstances are at the moment, but could you not get a part time job with a "normal" company and then do the FI part time also. It would keep you current and help you pay off some of the debt.
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The way I see it, FI course £7K and upto 3mths, then look for a job instructing and earn approx £10-£15k p/a then after a year or two instructing and struggling to live, if Im lucky I may have enough hours to make myself appealing, by which time Ive had to pay more c/card interest, struggle with the rent and bills etc etc.
There is almost no way you will be instructing for over a year in the current climate. When I left my FI job in Dec 06 a friend took my place, he stayed 3 months before moving to a turboprop, and a further 2 instructors have filled the position since!
Trouble is people just don't realise how good instructing is for your career until they do it. You also get much, much better at handling.
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If and only if you are 101% sure you want to buy a typerating, and after considering you might end without a job, having a debt and doing a possible recheck in 1 year, i would say take the 757/767. I think there are too many sstr 737/a320 riders.
But make sure you can do line training at least. I'm now doing a linetraining and i can assure you it is bloody difficult. Companies don't want people without experience.
Anyway, good luck!!
But make sure you can do line training at least. I'm now doing a linetraining and i can assure you it is bloody difficult. Companies don't want people without experience.
Anyway, good luck!!
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Instructing worked for me.
But if you must go down the SSTR route then the ATR42/72 type rating with Skyblue is probably your best bet. I have known/met 7 people whom have done the ATR 42 rating at Skyblue and all seven got employed. Most people are put of by the fact it is a turbo prop rating that is only 3000-4000 pounds cheaper than a 737 rating. None of the ATR operators in this country have their own training facilities so most will accept the rating with no time on type. Because it is a tp then as people move from ATR jobs to jet jobs then vacancies arise. Furthermore at the moment Skyblue are offering paid line training placements at the moment (ie: you get paid or at least get all your expenses covered during the line training rather than you paying for the line training).
But if you must go down the SSTR route then the ATR42/72 type rating with Skyblue is probably your best bet. I have known/met 7 people whom have done the ATR 42 rating at Skyblue and all seven got employed. Most people are put of by the fact it is a turbo prop rating that is only 3000-4000 pounds cheaper than a 737 rating. None of the ATR operators in this country have their own training facilities so most will accept the rating with no time on type. Because it is a tp then as people move from ATR jobs to jet jobs then vacancies arise. Furthermore at the moment Skyblue are offering paid line training placements at the moment (ie: you get paid or at least get all your expenses covered during the line training rather than you paying for the line training).
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I don't know because i did not pay for the type. But keep in mind that you need line training because it not easy.
Im not sure but i think astraeus provides line training.
good luck
Im not sure but i think astraeus provides line training.
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Hello DPT
First and foremost, I like the fact that you are looking at your situation from all possible angles in order to obtain your ultimate goal.
This in itself is a very good indication that one day you will be a fine Airline Pilot who has the ability to think and evaluate a problem.
Personally, I think with your 300 hours, you would be making yourself more marketable if you were a Flight Instructor for a little while until a better opportunity opens up. (and it will)
At that point, you will have many more hours and this experience will certainly be recognized by any potential employer.
While the Self Funded Type Ratings can be a benefit to a high time (heavy jet time) Captain looking for a DEC (direct entry captain) position at a carrier, I do not think it would help you at this time.
Please try to keep a positive attitude and I wish you the best of luck!
First and foremost, I like the fact that you are looking at your situation from all possible angles in order to obtain your ultimate goal.
This in itself is a very good indication that one day you will be a fine Airline Pilot who has the ability to think and evaluate a problem.
Personally, I think with your 300 hours, you would be making yourself more marketable if you were a Flight Instructor for a little while until a better opportunity opens up. (and it will)
At that point, you will have many more hours and this experience will certainly be recognized by any potential employer.
While the Self Funded Type Ratings can be a benefit to a high time (heavy jet time) Captain looking for a DEC (direct entry captain) position at a carrier, I do not think it would help you at this time.
Please try to keep a positive attitude and I wish you the best of luck!