£50 Pounds to send your CV??????
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MOL I think your numbers are a bit squew iff
I think you will find that a FR cadet is on around 15k in the first year. But as with all the FR publicity and marketing hype the devil is in the detail. In reality it is half that as they don't get paid during training (conversion course nor line training). They might also have to accommodate themselves at their own expense at any of the bases to get through the training. They might get to the dizzying heights of 25k or so in year 2. By which time they will be posting CV's left right and centre once the ATPL comes through to get out. Flybe who are the other big player in recruiting low timers pay low 20's and it goes up in very small increments. A skippers salary is really only survivable if you have made the lifestyle choice to live outside of the major cities and brought a house many years ago when prices were low. Lets not even get into what Jet2 and the other locos/charters offer cadets.
Excess of 30k hhmm. If you pay for a type rating and then end up at the bottom of the market it will take years to break even, let alone get the money back you paid for the multi/CPL/ IR and MCC.
I think you will find that a FR cadet is on around 15k in the first year. But as with all the FR publicity and marketing hype the devil is in the detail. In reality it is half that as they don't get paid during training (conversion course nor line training). They might also have to accommodate themselves at their own expense at any of the bases to get through the training. They might get to the dizzying heights of 25k or so in year 2. By which time they will be posting CV's left right and centre once the ATPL comes through to get out. Flybe who are the other big player in recruiting low timers pay low 20's and it goes up in very small increments. A skippers salary is really only survivable if you have made the lifestyle choice to live outside of the major cities and brought a house many years ago when prices were low. Lets not even get into what Jet2 and the other locos/charters offer cadets.Excess of 30k hhmm. If you pay for a type rating and then end up at the bottom of the market it will take years to break even, let alone get the money back you paid for the multi/CPL/ IR and MCC.
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You cant blame Ryanair for driving down salaries, it the current economics that drive down salaries, each bean counter wants to save money, so after fuel and aircraft leases how can they do that, simple hit salaries.
They still make profits don't they? MOL still takes bonuses doesn't he?
It's not only pay that's the issue. It's their treatment of employees that is nothing short of appalling.
MOL's attitude costs the airline plenty of money. Look at all the times they're in court! Why not get rid of him to save money? Oh, sorry, of course he's too busy trampling over everyone else's profession, with particular emphasis on the pilots to whom he's hellbent on destroying as professionals.
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What!
Pay that loser £50
You'd be better off bending over and wiping your arse with it.
If its your 1st job then you literally pays your money and takes your choice but its the thin of the wedge and even the ridiculess list of things you have to pay for now will only get longer.
If your experienced your better off looking elsewhere and spending the half ton on a big foxtrot oscar curry and a few pints
Pay that loser £50
You'd be better off bending over and wiping your arse with it.
If its your 1st job then you literally pays your money and takes your choice but its the thin of the wedge and even the ridiculess list of things you have to pay for now will only get longer.
If your experienced your better off looking elsewhere and spending the half ton on a big foxtrot oscar curry and a few pints
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I agree, this is going too far.
Ryanair invented the self-sponsored fATPL training philosophy.
Ryanair invented the self-sponsored type-rating philosophy.
These philosophies have been adapted extensively by other airlines.
Ryanair is now inventing the pay-to-look-at-my-CV philosophy.
Just boycott it people.
Anyone wants to start a student pilot's union?
Ryanair invented the self-sponsored fATPL training philosophy.
Ryanair invented the self-sponsored type-rating philosophy.
These philosophies have been adapted extensively by other airlines.
Ryanair is now inventing the pay-to-look-at-my-CV philosophy.
Just boycott it people.
Anyone wants to start a student pilot's union?
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What is it with you lot???
I don't think any one who works for Ryanair (or applies for a job with them) is having a gun held to their head!
Stop yer flippin whining!!!
If you don't like it then don't apply!
Pilot jobs are just like everything else......supply and demand. Quite clearly there is enough demand (by pilots) for Ryanair to get away with it.
I don't approve of it and I don't work for Ryanair either, but if people want to pay Ryanair to submit their C.V then let them do it.
There are those that are Ryanair pilots, building their hours, gaining experience, unlocking their FATPL's and getting better jobs a few years down the line.............................................and then there are those who still flip burgers!!
It's YOUR choice!
I don't think any one who works for Ryanair (or applies for a job with them) is having a gun held to their head!
Stop yer flippin whining!!!
If you don't like it then don't apply!
Pilot jobs are just like everything else......supply and demand. Quite clearly there is enough demand (by pilots) for Ryanair to get away with it.
I don't approve of it and I don't work for Ryanair either, but if people want to pay Ryanair to submit their C.V then let them do it.
There are those that are Ryanair pilots, building their hours, gaining experience, unlocking their FATPL's and getting better jobs a few years down the line.............................................and then there are those who still flip burgers!!
It's YOUR choice!
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There are those that are Ryanair pilots, building their hours, gaining experience, unlocking their FATPL's and getting better jobs a few years down the line.............................................a nd then there are those who still flip burgers!!
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Berksflyer,
I am down off my soap box now 
and I have to agree with you. This is a real problem but kinda comes under the heading 'That's Life!'
It would be nice if all pilots voted with their feet and cut the supply chain that perpetuates this practice, however there will always be someone else ready to step in and take a place. As said by someone else earlier it's a dog eat dog world out there.
We all want cheap flights (as passengers) don't we? We all want cheap food in the supermarkets but we know this will ultimately close down the little guys.
You are quite right.............Catch 22.....
The same thing is going on in the instructor world, work for peanuts and get treated like sh*t, but hey, we still do it (coz it builds hours!!).
I spent 3 years as an instructor and gained 1500 extra hours along the way, I also earned considerably less in that time than I would if I had worked for Ryanair.
So the bottom line is...............would I have joined Ryanair if given the chance?
Oh yes!
You speak sense, but this attitude that seems to have been adopted about using Ryanair as an hour building airline then moving on to another airline isn't really thought out. It discounts the fact that as this happens every other airline still has to compete with Ryanair's low cost base and as a result of this they are under pressure to adopt the same conditions as Ryanair. Eventually, there will be no where better to move after unfreezing because they will have had to match Ryan. Catch 22 I guess.
and I have to agree with you. This is a real problem but kinda comes under the heading 'That's Life!'It would be nice if all pilots voted with their feet and cut the supply chain that perpetuates this practice, however there will always be someone else ready to step in and take a place. As said by someone else earlier it's a dog eat dog world out there.
We all want cheap flights (as passengers) don't we? We all want cheap food in the supermarkets but we know this will ultimately close down the little guys.
You are quite right.............Catch 22.....
The same thing is going on in the instructor world, work for peanuts and get treated like sh*t, but hey, we still do it (coz it builds hours!!).
I spent 3 years as an instructor and gained 1500 extra hours along the way, I also earned considerably less in that time than I would if I had worked for Ryanair.
So the bottom line is...............would I have joined Ryanair if given the chance?
Oh yes!
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Gone till November, that post cracked me up. P!ssed myself.
Youaintseenme. I suppose that you are right in saying 'thats life' But we pilots seem to be the only ones that have to live with this kind of stuff. Lets say you turned up to a building site where there was a job going that required you to undertake some training. Maybe operating an earth mover. Plenty of guys around that can operate smaller equipment that would be ideal for the job. Now you get a dude come in out of nowhere that offers to pay for his training just so he can get the job. He would be called a scab, fruit would be thrown at him and some union thugs would beat him up. Its lucky we pilots are somewhat more civilized and just say 'thats life'!
Now please, this post is tongue in cheek. I am in no way suggesting we beat up type rating payers, or throw fruit at them. Also I am not calling them scabs. I have been tempted by these scams as well! Still I am trying to make a valid point in a light hearted way. So no vicious attacks on the good name of helldog please.
Youaintseenme. I suppose that you are right in saying 'thats life' But we pilots seem to be the only ones that have to live with this kind of stuff. Lets say you turned up to a building site where there was a job going that required you to undertake some training. Maybe operating an earth mover. Plenty of guys around that can operate smaller equipment that would be ideal for the job. Now you get a dude come in out of nowhere that offers to pay for his training just so he can get the job. He would be called a scab, fruit would be thrown at him and some union thugs would beat him up. Its lucky we pilots are somewhat more civilized and just say 'thats life'!
Now please, this post is tongue in cheek. I am in no way suggesting we beat up type rating payers, or throw fruit at them. Also I am not calling them scabs. I have been tempted by these scams as well! Still I am trying to make a valid point in a light hearted way. So no vicious attacks on the good name of helldog please.
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As one who started at ryanair last year and came from another low cost sector carrier I would make the following comment:
It is not easy to get that first job especially if age is not on your side. How long do you keep waiting for? I agree that paying for your rating etc is not ideal, but you did pay for your fATPL etc and I presume it cost a lot and you'd rather not waste it? The likes of Ryanair give everyone a fair crack of the whip I think. They don't appear to worry about age. There was a 45 year old 1st jobber on my course. I believe you can offset your course cost including accomodation against UK tax so maybe it's not ultimately as bad as you think. You get to fly new 737-800 and fill your boots with flight time. You get a very steady industry leading 5/4 roster pattern......and they do pay you. Not a great deal as a new cadet I must admit but once you have 500hrs you are better off. Also it is not everyone who has to pay. I had no 737 experience however my previous experience means I have not paid them a penny for anything. This was the same for 50% of the new intake on my course last year. Personally, rather than knock LCC and their attitude to paying for type ratings, why not think they could be giving someone the chance of their life to fulfill their dream? If you wouldn't pay up either because you have another job already or you have sufficient income to warrant waiting for your 1st job then you have no reason to criticize others. If in 3 years time the new Ryanair cadet is taking home 5k per month in the left hand seat and you are taking home 2.3k in the right seat of a turboprop then perhaps ponder on who has come out of this rather well?
It is not easy to get that first job especially if age is not on your side. How long do you keep waiting for? I agree that paying for your rating etc is not ideal, but you did pay for your fATPL etc and I presume it cost a lot and you'd rather not waste it? The likes of Ryanair give everyone a fair crack of the whip I think. They don't appear to worry about age. There was a 45 year old 1st jobber on my course. I believe you can offset your course cost including accomodation against UK tax so maybe it's not ultimately as bad as you think. You get to fly new 737-800 and fill your boots with flight time. You get a very steady industry leading 5/4 roster pattern......and they do pay you. Not a great deal as a new cadet I must admit but once you have 500hrs you are better off. Also it is not everyone who has to pay. I had no 737 experience however my previous experience means I have not paid them a penny for anything. This was the same for 50% of the new intake on my course last year. Personally, rather than knock LCC and their attitude to paying for type ratings, why not think they could be giving someone the chance of their life to fulfill their dream? If you wouldn't pay up either because you have another job already or you have sufficient income to warrant waiting for your 1st job then you have no reason to criticize others. If in 3 years time the new Ryanair cadet is taking home 5k per month in the left hand seat and you are taking home 2.3k in the right seat of a turboprop then perhaps ponder on who has come out of this rather well?
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I am sure that Ryanair is great to work for, and 5 on 4 off sounds great! I am not complaining, whinging, or moaning about it, and I would hate to be wasting precious "bandwith", but to ask for 50 quid to get a cv read doesn't really strike me as good business sense! Even if 1000 pilots pay the 50, thats only 50 grand (not a lot to ryanair....well you would have thought anyway) it's a dropped bollock if you ask me! If Ryanair pays so well and gives lots of time off, why do pilots use it as an hour builder then? Sound like it's a career move going there? How much do they charge for your P45??
) it's a dropped bollock if you ask me! If Ryanair pays so well and gives lots of time off, why do pilots use it as an hour builder then? Sound like it's a career move going there? How much do they charge for your P45??
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To those who have replied to me via this thread.
Read my Posts correctly and you will see I do NOT work for Ryanair.
English comprehension both written and oral is a JAA requirement.
Not selective reading.
I have over 35 years in this profession as a Line Pilot and Trainer, with over 18000 flying hours so to those who think i may be in the right seat YES I can occupy both.
I support Ryanair, but may not agree with some of their practices.
As I said before there is choice out there and one is Ryanair.
Too many of you out there, through either sour grapes or lack of real knowledge are knocking Ryanair at every chance they get, on any thread that mentions RYR.
What I want to stress is that this is a free world and everyone can post here and have their say, right or wrong, but dont make it so personal.
My opinion is that you should stop trying to intimidate, and offer constructive advice to those seeking such through these threads.
Here we were asked about the £50 charge to read a CV.
The answer is simple if its the way you want to go then you must first get your CV read so pay up or do not apply.
Yes there are other ways as previously mentioned without having to pay the fee.
Can we have a TIMEOUT here from slagging off the men and women who work for Ryanair.
Read my Posts correctly and you will see I do NOT work for Ryanair.
English comprehension both written and oral is a JAA requirement.
Not selective reading.
I have over 35 years in this profession as a Line Pilot and Trainer, with over 18000 flying hours so to those who think i may be in the right seat YES I can occupy both.
I support Ryanair, but may not agree with some of their practices.
As I said before there is choice out there and one is Ryanair.
Too many of you out there, through either sour grapes or lack of real knowledge are knocking Ryanair at every chance they get, on any thread that mentions RYR.
What I want to stress is that this is a free world and everyone can post here and have their say, right or wrong, but dont make it so personal.
My opinion is that you should stop trying to intimidate, and offer constructive advice to those seeking such through these threads.
Here we were asked about the £50 charge to read a CV.
The answer is simple if its the way you want to go then you must first get your CV read so pay up or do not apply.
Yes there are other ways as previously mentioned without having to pay the fee.
Can we have a TIMEOUT here from slagging off the men and women who work for Ryanair.
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Most of the people who actually work for Ryanair have nothing but good things to say about it. What never fails to ammuse me is how many people sit on Pprune all day every day whining and moaning about everything and anything, i get sick of seeing the same names pop up time and time again. Perhaps if those people put as much effort in to finding a job or god forbid work and save for a TR, then they would be in the RHS instead of sat dreamimg about it.
Oh and i dont agree with charging to view a CV
Oh and i dont agree with charging to view a CV
