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Old 10th Mar 2008, 19:06
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Devil Back to the Question, so where are all the jobs then?

I know its been asked before but everyone keeps diverging off the question when someone talks about ryanair or somthing.

So where are all the jobs then?

Heres my situation, I am 19 YO just out of training, no type rating so where do i go now?

Ive sent cv's to just about everywhere and im fed up now.

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Maybe you should have researched the job market before diving in and blowing all that money on your training.

I assumed you had around 200hrs and a fATPL? ... Like thousands of others ... but on second glance you have put '(Nearly) fATPL' in your licence category?
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I did do my research and the job market is very good, the problem is that its very competetive.

Yeah this is the first time ive posted somthing since i joined ages ago. my profile hasnt been updated (now it has). im fATPL 210hrs.

And please i dont want any slagging matches about research or other things, i just wanted people to share info on job oppotunites with their fellow job hunting friends.

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Dihaz, You should know that the market rises and falls. If you start you training when jobs are at all at time high then chances are you'll get your fATPL when the job market are at a trough or just starting to drop.

You're competing with FI with 1,000+hrs, and OAA graduates with a fATPL and a 737 SSTR (Along with a £100k debt) ... Some have 1,000+hrs and a SSTR.

I don't expect to get a jet job when I graduate (it wont stop me from trying all the same) but I'll be enrolling on a FI course within a month after finishing my ME-IR and I'll climb the ladder from there.

Are you applying to Jets only?
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I dont really mind anymore what aircraft i get a job on now, obviously pref jet but ohwell.

curious, whats this FI course about are those like the ones that sigmar and randhiem companies provide?

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sorry, miss read what you wrote you meant Instructors?

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Have you tried Ryanair ? They have a open day coming up, nearly everyone that attends gets a interview.

At the moment flight schools can't get enough flight instructors, they are even paying/bonding people right now.

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On the FI front, if you look at the top and bottom of the Pprune forums there is usually an advert or two about salaried FI work. One that I know for definite who have advertised here is Truman Aviation, which is an FTO on my local airfield that are paying £20,000 for instructors.
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miss read what you wrote you meant Instructors?
That's right, I think the cost of getting a FI is around £6k - £7k in the UK and then you'll be looking at flying 40hrs - 80hrs per month and getting paid for it. They pay isn't too good but if you survive the winters and stay with a school for 18 months 2 years then I see no reason why a TP or Jet operator wouldn't give you an interview?

That is my plan, I don't intend paying for my own TR (I think a TP is around £13k and a 737/320 is around £20k) but if you do the maths I don't think Ryanair are a bad outfit to fly with for your first job. 737NG and only 210hrs on your book.

Keep looking I'm sure something will come up sooner or later, be it glider/banner towing or a FO on a Jet.

Good luck.
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lol,,,

ive already tried ryanair, and they said no. did the interview and sim ride, thought it went quite well infact and went home quite pleased. next thing you know they email 2days later saying u didnt make it. i had a feeling they thought i was too much of a straight person. the questions they were asking me were wiered to say the least. im still going to try again though.

as far as FI is concered, ive never actually wanted to be one and dont really like the job ( cant see myself doing it). Desperate times call for desperate measures i suppose.

ive still got one job prospect im holding onto. my training organisation have a deal with Flybe and im being recommended by the CEO so hoping that goes well, but im wondering what if i dont get it.

confusion, confusion....
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DXB pilot, hey morgz, u k dne your IR T yet, is it still on for fri? good luck!
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as far as FI is concered, ive never actually wanted to be one and dont really like the job ( cant see myself doing it). Desperate times call for desperate measures i suppose.
If you don't want to be a FI then I'd stay away from spending the £7k to getting there. It'll make your life hell and the students training hell not to mention the FTO's.

Might be better off putting that £7k toward getting half a SSTR on a TP? See if the TP Op will bond you the other half? ... might be worth a try?

If you get in with FlyBe then you're laughing
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Loads of jobs going in Australia.

Asia's booming at the moment too.
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thanks alphamale and others.

if a 320rating is not enough with 2000+ hrs then god help us. i think its down to shear luck and being in the right place at the right time.
Alphamale can you elaborate on the scheme your talking about.
I dont mind paying for a rating but i dont want to risk it if i get no job. really banking on flybe now.
Have you heared about the SO scheme with silverjet? I wouldnt mind that!

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does anyone know of any specific jobs in us/asia/aus because as far a i know they all bloody want you to be a citizen of their country.
so much for being nice to foreigners, for a job here all you have to be is a EU citizen.
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If you can raise 25k try Storm Aviation. They want pilots in India.
Jet2 are looking at low houred guys but again...you front the 23K.
CityJet too.

The jobs are there, but you will have to look harder.


Welcome to the hard bit...the first job.
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you can say that again, finding the job is harder then the course itself.

Ive applied to all them but no replys. keep my fingers crossed.
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if a 320rating is not enough with 2000+ hrs then god help us. i think its down to shear luck and being in the right place at the right time.
Doesn't sound too good does it?!?

Alphamale can you elaborate on the scheme your talking about.
Not sure what scheme you mean? With regard to the SSTR (Self Sponsored Type Rating) I am just saying if you have £7k burning a hole in your pocket then it might be worth writing to Turbo Prop Operators noting on your cover letter that you're willing to pay for half the TR if they can bond you the other £7k. Take for example Eastern Airways who operate around 25 Jetstreams it will minimise the risk for them as they only invest £7k and not the £14k?

Might be worth a try ... if all fails and you feel you can and will enjoy instructing then get training
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Dihaz,

How long have you actually been qualified and actively job hunting?
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alphamale,

thats what i was talking about. i didnt know there was a possibility of doing 50/50 might try that.

How long have you actually been qualified and actively job hunting?

I finished MCC in Feb and have been at it since. ( is suppose it hasnt been that long then)
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