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MIKE CR
whatever it takes buddy, whatever it takes.
in this day and age you have to be PRO-ACTIVE and take risks you can always be pesemistic (if thats how you spell it).
whatever it takes buddy, whatever it takes.
in this day and age you have to be PRO-ACTIVE and take risks you can always be pesemistic (if thats how you spell it).
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Dihaz,
the possibility of being £120,000 in debt, without a guaranteed job, without a tangible asset to show for the investment is plenty cause to be pessimstic. Ever hear the saying "plan for the worst, hope for the best"? After that level of investment I would be a bl00dy fool if I didn't have a lucrative plan B to pay off my debts.
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the possibility of being £120,000 in debt, without a guaranteed job, without a tangible asset to show for the investment is plenty cause to be pessimstic. Ever hear the saying "plan for the worst, hope for the best"? After that level of investment I would be a bl00dy fool if I didn't have a lucrative plan B to pay off my debts.
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hi,
i was looking for almost 4 years to get my first break. I'm now flying a lear and have a lot of fun. During this unemployed period i just kept on ifr flying and doing some flightseeing tours hoping for a first break. I'm happy i did not consider to pay for my TR and even to pay for my linetraining. It really makes me sick that people still consider this way. I don't understand why it always has to be a B737 with an major airline, making a loads of money in the beginning etc. A FI route might be a better option to improve your cv. Ok some people have this luck, but there are still other ways to get there. Experience is not related to a 737/A320.
good luck
i was looking for almost 4 years to get my first break. I'm now flying a lear and have a lot of fun. During this unemployed period i just kept on ifr flying and doing some flightseeing tours hoping for a first break. I'm happy i did not consider to pay for my TR and even to pay for my linetraining. It really makes me sick that people still consider this way. I don't understand why it always has to be a B737 with an major airline, making a loads of money in the beginning etc. A FI route might be a better option to improve your cv. Ok some people have this luck, but there are still other ways to get there. Experience is not related to a 737/A320.
good luck
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thanks inner.
Mike CR, speedrestriction your flying training is just like a business. If you dont invest back into the business the ships gonna sink and youll fall behind the rest of the competition.
You have to think logically and give yourself that edge that no other jobseeking pilot has. if you have already spent £58K (which i have) then why not pay the 25k to better your chances. people think that the type becomes a waste once you get the job but it doesnt atleast no1. you arent bonded for ages no2. your not on a downgraded salary.
So they both have their pros and cons, somtimes you should think about things logically and figure out whats best for you.
No doubt i am waiting for a job and inevitably it will take ages but if i feel the ship is sinking a year on and my flying skills/knowledge are deteriorating than im going to have to take some evasive action to make the most of my investment.
Mike CR, speedrestriction your flying training is just like a business. If you dont invest back into the business the ships gonna sink and youll fall behind the rest of the competition.
You have to think logically and give yourself that edge that no other jobseeking pilot has. if you have already spent £58K (which i have) then why not pay the 25k to better your chances. people think that the type becomes a waste once you get the job but it doesnt atleast no1. you arent bonded for ages no2. your not on a downgraded salary.
So they both have their pros and cons, somtimes you should think about things logically and figure out whats best for you.
No doubt i am waiting for a job and inevitably it will take ages but if i feel the ship is sinking a year on and my flying skills/knowledge are deteriorating than im going to have to take some evasive action to make the most of my investment.
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my comments wernt supposed to make any one bow down to me. i know im young with limited experience but again being pro-active is the best way to go. indeed you must wait a while to get that job but if you dont youve got to do somthing about it inorder to safeguard that investment. all the time spent sat around doing nothing is at detriment to your flying skills/abitlity.
SO NOW, where are all the jobs then?
SO NOW, where are all the jobs then?
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sadly , not many job around.
many applicants, few jobs.
this mean, lot of pilots wont find a job after graduating.
that s a fact, it is the reality, and this is why it is harder and harder to get a loan.
there is NO solution to this problem. yes, there is one: be in the right place in the right time.
as for the guys paying for line training, not flying, hanging out all day , waiting to log 1 or 2 hours a month, with no income...that's their choice.
have u heared ONE good comment from someone who has paid for line training??? in over 1 year, NO one pilot told me it was a good idea to pay for line training, but they ALL ask me where they can get line traing.
I have no clue where you can get line training, and I won't tell you because I am against people paying for line training.you can still try indigo, and have fun with them...
get a life, there are some jobs in asia as a flight instructor, exemple panam beijing, or in africa as a missionary, cargo pilots,...
but if you are not ready to move in these countries, and work hard, I can tell you your career is already over.
the airlines with boeing are not going to reloacted close of your house, or build a runway in front of your house, and give you a job just because you have a license and a few hundred of jet time.
this job is reserved for people who are ready to pack and preferably single with no attach,ready to move deep in africa or alaska, and take some risks...or for the one who is ready to invest lot of money and open his own taxi operation.
consider that you may not find a job after all the effort and money invested, and your life wont never been like before when you had a normal job and a stable income.
but you know all this already...we have to be nuts to try to make this job.
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many applicants, few jobs.
this mean, lot of pilots wont find a job after graduating.
that s a fact, it is the reality, and this is why it is harder and harder to get a loan.
there is NO solution to this problem. yes, there is one: be in the right place in the right time.
as for the guys paying for line training, not flying, hanging out all day , waiting to log 1 or 2 hours a month, with no income...that's their choice.
have u heared ONE good comment from someone who has paid for line training??? in over 1 year, NO one pilot told me it was a good idea to pay for line training, but they ALL ask me where they can get line traing.
I have no clue where you can get line training, and I won't tell you because I am against people paying for line training.you can still try indigo, and have fun with them...
get a life, there are some jobs in asia as a flight instructor, exemple panam beijing, or in africa as a missionary, cargo pilots,...
but if you are not ready to move in these countries, and work hard, I can tell you your career is already over.
the airlines with boeing are not going to reloacted close of your house, or build a runway in front of your house, and give you a job just because you have a license and a few hundred of jet time.
this job is reserved for people who are ready to pack and preferably single with no attach,ready to move deep in africa or alaska, and take some risks...or for the one who is ready to invest lot of money and open his own taxi operation.
consider that you may not find a job after all the effort and money invested, and your life wont never been like before when you had a normal job and a stable income.
but you know all this already...we have to be nuts to try to make this job.
to all of you
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dartagnan at his very best need i say more.........by the way D dont think that you just show up in Africa and think you will land a job on the spot,there is a lot of competition from locals,and getting a work permit is a real hassle.I am talking from experience of living and working all over Africa for 25 years
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somtimes you should think about things logically and figure out whats best for you.
Paying for your training is one thing, paying for your TR and line training is another and of course the next step will be paying to work!!!
So at the end of the day the pilot with the most money gets the job and the airlines become very rich!
If you decide to pay for your SSTR and line training and expect a £40k pay pa what is stopping me from saying to the same airline that I'll match your offer and work for £30k pa?
Bill it become a bidding war for you, that way your business plan works? If we are both lucky enough to fly 737's for £30k pa why should other airlines pay their FO's £40k? so what you'll do is devalue your profession. And if you're looking to stay in the aviation industry long term you can only blame yourself for your bad pay and conditions.
But as you said, you're young and soon enough you'll learn.
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Just to add one more thing i come from a small third world country in Africa,but we have a very successful national carrier with the latest of aircrafts,In that part of the world and Asia included paying for type rating does not exist at all,you have a license you get a job,the company does all the paying of type rating and salary as you are doing your type rating.
I moved to Europe my wife is an EU national i am not,i currently have an Frozen ATPL. If i was to go back to my home country i would go straight to at least a 737-800 minimum,fully paid type rating bonded for 3 years and salary that can match any airline in the first world country,but with much lower standards of living,which means you save much more.
Now the mrs does not want us to go to my home country we have a little baby,which means its now time for command decisions anyway i decided to stay in Europe and look for a job bearing in mind i don't have an EU passport just a spouse to an EU national,I have decided to get myself a type rating course with a loco that does not guarantee a job at the end of it,My friends back home would think i am absolutely nutts as 30,000 euros can buy you a mansion back home ,and the fact that if i go home i walk into a jet job without having to pay a dime.
I have decided to take the risk because those who take the risk drink the champagne,i am not the messiah who has come to save the pilots T&Cs,i am in rome i will do what the romans do,
PS: Dont hate the player hate the game
I moved to Europe my wife is an EU national i am not,i currently have an Frozen ATPL. If i was to go back to my home country i would go straight to at least a 737-800 minimum,fully paid type rating bonded for 3 years and salary that can match any airline in the first world country,but with much lower standards of living,which means you save much more.
Now the mrs does not want us to go to my home country we have a little baby,which means its now time for command decisions anyway i decided to stay in Europe and look for a job bearing in mind i don't have an EU passport just a spouse to an EU national,I have decided to get myself a type rating course with a loco that does not guarantee a job at the end of it,My friends back home would think i am absolutely nutts as 30,000 euros can buy you a mansion back home ,and the fact that if i go home i walk into a jet job without having to pay a dime.
I have decided to take the risk because those who take the risk drink the champagne,i am not the messiah who has come to save the pilots T&Cs,i am in rome i will do what the romans do,
PS: Dont hate the player hate the game
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The jobs in Africa are only for the country's citizens, I remember a while back our national airline were short of captains and wanted to recruit captains and experienced FO,s for the 737 NG ,767 ,777 ER the pilots association went on strike and hence the decision was reversed,and the company sent 180 young boys and girls to SA for CPL after they were done,went to GECAT for the type ratings some even went straight from the seneca to the 767 lol.
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alphamale your correct but it seems we dont have a choise nowadays, the economy is s**t shaped and airliners are getting tight fisted.
God help us all!
God help us all!