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i didnt know there was a possibility of doing 50/50 might try that.
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Correct, you havent even touched the tip of the iceberg yet. The ink on your applications isnt even dry yet. Do you expect all the airlines you've applied to to get back to you in 4 weeks, you must be kidding. Most wont get back you at all, a few might, in 4 months probably!
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Redsnail: Alas, given the opportunity I'd be in Australia like a shot but without residency + Aus License, no one is interested.
Dihaz: What were the 'wierd' questions Ryanair asked?
I'm on the job hunt myself, vast quantities of patience is needed. It's the most difficult thing! In the meantime. Keep everything current.
Dihaz: What were the 'wierd' questions Ryanair asked?
I'm on the job hunt myself, vast quantities of patience is needed. It's the most difficult thing! In the meantime. Keep everything current.
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Philflies, they asked me wierd questions, i think they were trying to get at my personality.
He asked me:
Your sitting in Rome, its xmass eve, full passenger load you have to get back to ema. Capt asks you to do a walk around, a nav light is not working what do you do?
So i said: id check the mel
He said:the mel says you need them all
i said: id tell ops
He said: theyve gone home
i said: id tell the company
He said: theyve gone home
i said: id try fixing it myself
He said: you havnt got any ladders
i said: well we cant go then.
He said: well the capt wants to get home, its xmass eve. he says hes going. Do you go or stay?
At this point i didnt know what he wanted me to say, so i answered it from two ways.
i said: well the capt says hes going to go so ill go but id strongly object to it.
What was i supposed to have said?
i thought legally we cant go but, hey its ryanair so i didnt know if he wanted to see me bend the rules. (maybe it happened on pushback or inflight)
this was one of the questions that i got all the questions others got, i knew but didnt know my own.
good luck on the hunt let us know if you come accross any recruiting airliners.
He asked me:
Your sitting in Rome, its xmass eve, full passenger load you have to get back to ema. Capt asks you to do a walk around, a nav light is not working what do you do?
So i said: id check the mel
He said:the mel says you need them all
i said: id tell ops
He said: theyve gone home
i said: id tell the company
He said: theyve gone home
i said: id try fixing it myself
He said: you havnt got any ladders
i said: well we cant go then.
He said: well the capt wants to get home, its xmass eve. he says hes going. Do you go or stay?
At this point i didnt know what he wanted me to say, so i answered it from two ways.
i said: well the capt says hes going to go so ill go but id strongly object to it.
What was i supposed to have said?
i thought legally we cant go but, hey its ryanair so i didnt know if he wanted to see me bend the rules. (maybe it happened on pushback or inflight)
this was one of the questions that i got all the questions others got, i knew but didnt know my own.
good luck on the hunt let us know if you come accross any recruiting airliners.
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He's questioning your integrity. unfortunately you've fallen hook line and sinker and admitted that your willing to break the rules. Ryanair or not. Airlines use all sorts these questions....captain smells of drink....left your licence at home etc etc
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What was i supposed to have said?
i thought legally we cant go but, hey its ryanair so i didnt know if he wanted to see me bend the rules
i thought legally we cant go but, hey its ryanair so i didnt know if he wanted to see me bend the rules
Good luck with the hunt, but as others have said, you've been looking for what, a month? It could be you find a job next week, or it could be a few years. The bloke who taught me to fly has just got a job on a 737, at 37. He was looking for maybe 7 years. Failed a TR with another company and got knocked back by the company who have just given him a job. He got fed up too, I'm sure! But he still got there.
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I don't know of any specific regionals but, I know that in America regional airliners are crying out for pilots, even low hours. I believe that a fair few are also providing their pilots with a type rating on their aircraft.
My sources are from a pilot I know currently flying regionals in the US.
My sources are from a pilot I know currently flying regionals in the US.
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Sadly, a very harsh truth. I have heard of some of the regionals helping british pilots get citizenship but citizenship assessments aren't fun things to go through, so I hear.
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If all else fails and you don't fancy the FI route, why not try the Air Taxi operators, Air Med at Oxford, Ravenair at Liverpool, Centreline at Bristol etc? It might only be P2 work to start with, but its multi engine piston time in your book that you don't have to pay for and keeps your IR current whilst keeping those CV's going out. After a short time it could involve P1 time which is great experience and looks good on the CV. Good luck to you all...........
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TR + Line training
It is a very (very very very) bad thing to say but SSTR + Line training could help ... A LOT!
Quite recently I got a F/O job with just my TR and no hours on type, but I was very lucky.
There are many guys working with me that got the same job with some hundreds of "self sponsored" line hours, hanging around for almost an year in Turkey or in Morocco, and believe me, they don't look very enthusiastic about the the quality of life down there...
When sombody puts out of his pockets 100.000 euros for his fATPL + Jet TR, he's very prone to spend 20.000 more to have an edge on his competitors. I was ready to do the same, I just tried knocking some doors around EU before applying for my line training in Morocco and I was lucky.
If I was to do my TR again, anyway I would consider a program with maybe 100 hrs included. You could actually need them, not to be better than your competitors, but, for what I have seen so far, just to be on their same level.
Check the forums around to find an honest TRTO offering such a program. Don't do the TR and the LT separated. It takes too long.
All of the above, of course, if you want a jet job.
Just 3 more suggestions...
There is almost (I said almost, not totally) no realtion between beeing an FI and getting a F/O job:
I know some very experienced FI that payed their own TR to get into airlines and know also some that didn't get the job because some companies prefer a Fatpl with 300hrs + 100 on A320 than a FI with 2000 SEP/MEP.
I have a friend 300hrs + fATPL that got a job with an aerotaxi company just applying with all of them. Try Aerotaxi!
Going in person to every company you truely like and asking could also be a good idea. Dress smart (also mentally), prepare what you have to say and you have good chances to meet the right person at the right moment and make a very good impression.
Good Luck!
Yours
CFM56-7B (the 27.3k one)
Quite recently I got a F/O job with just my TR and no hours on type, but I was very lucky.
There are many guys working with me that got the same job with some hundreds of "self sponsored" line hours, hanging around for almost an year in Turkey or in Morocco, and believe me, they don't look very enthusiastic about the the quality of life down there...
When sombody puts out of his pockets 100.000 euros for his fATPL + Jet TR, he's very prone to spend 20.000 more to have an edge on his competitors. I was ready to do the same, I just tried knocking some doors around EU before applying for my line training in Morocco and I was lucky.
If I was to do my TR again, anyway I would consider a program with maybe 100 hrs included. You could actually need them, not to be better than your competitors, but, for what I have seen so far, just to be on their same level.
Check the forums around to find an honest TRTO offering such a program. Don't do the TR and the LT separated. It takes too long.
All of the above, of course, if you want a jet job.
Just 3 more suggestions...
There is almost (I said almost, not totally) no realtion between beeing an FI and getting a F/O job:
I know some very experienced FI that payed their own TR to get into airlines and know also some that didn't get the job because some companies prefer a Fatpl with 300hrs + 100 on A320 than a FI with 2000 SEP/MEP.
I have a friend 300hrs + fATPL that got a job with an aerotaxi company just applying with all of them. Try Aerotaxi!
Going in person to every company you truely like and asking could also be a good idea. Dress smart (also mentally), prepare what you have to say and you have good chances to meet the right person at the right moment and make a very good impression.
Good Luck!
Yours
CFM56-7B (the 27.3k one)
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Some Air Taxi operators will take on 200 hr fFAPL pilots but, like anything, its right place, right time. I started out with Air Taxi with 250hrs total and 35hrs multi... a steep learning curve, but some of the best and most challenging flying of my career!
Some Air Taxi operators will take on 200 hr fFAPL pilots but, like anything, its right place, right time. I started out with Air Taxi with 250hrs total and 35hrs multi... a steep learning curve, but some of the best and most challenging flying of my career!
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hey cfm-56 7b
thanks for that. all that you just said made sense and is exactly what i thought.
but one question. If one was to SSTR (and some hours ofcourse) would you do a bus or boeing? specifically which type. im thinking 737NG
thanks for that. all that you just said made sense and is exactly what i thought.
but one question. If one was to SSTR (and some hours ofcourse) would you do a bus or boeing? specifically which type. im thinking 737NG