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Not sure myself. I would say that solo is just solo time before you get your ppl whilst under training and p1 would be this time plus whatever else youv'e flown as captain or PIC since.
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Solo is literally solo, on your own. Having non- licensed passengers on board still counts as solo, even though other people are the aircraft. The point is you are the only person on board qualified to fly the plane. P1 hours can be accumulated in a multi crew environment, when you are the captain. If you pass a flight test you log it as P1/S for Pilot in Command under Supervision. This still counts towards your total P1 time. In your log book there is a column for Command hours, and you can count Solo and P1 hours in this total.
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Ok, thanks for your explainations.
On my french log book, On Single engine I only have "Double" or "captain" colunms....
So as a basic private pilot, without multi-crew hours, I have no P1 hours right?
On my french log book, On Single engine I only have "Double" or "captain" colunms....
So as a basic private pilot, without multi-crew hours, I have no P1 hours right?
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As far as Im aware P1 and solo are the same. Solo is something you do as you train to gain the required exp to issue a licence. After 2500hr and 400hr turbine that means I have got 0hrs P1 since ive got no multi crew time. P1 is just Pilot in command of an aircraft. So if your own your own or you have passengers in the back you should be logging P1 time. I have an Aussy logbook and its all under PIC.
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This logging business really does seem to create problems. It doesn't help that the Brits seem to move between the various names sometimes in the same sentence.
If you have no multi crew hours.
All your time will have been as follows. I will use JAR terms with the old UK terms in brackets.
1. Dual. Instructor is sitting next to you, you are training or doing a club check or anything where the instructor signs for the aircraft in the tech log.
2. PIC (P1). YOU sign for the aircraft in the tech log. It can be solo or with your mum and dad or even with another pilot sitting next to you. The big thing is that you have signed for the aircraft.
3. PICUS (P1 U/S). Any flight test which has been passed with an examiner for the purpose of rating or license. If you fail it will be Dual. The examiner signs for the aircraft and you put them down as the PIC in your log book but you can add it to your PIC totals with a PICUS comment and a signature from the examiner in the remarks for the flight.
4. Instructor. You have signed the tech log and are PIC for the purpose of instructing or sharing the hours which isn't unheard of.
5. SPIC. This is a special for intergrated courses which I don't know much about. Those that can log it follow the advise of the instructors.
I will leave the joys of logging Co-pilot (P2) and PICUS (P1 U/S) for another day in Multi Pilot Aircraft because if you think the debate on logging stuff in a Single Pilot Aircraft is contensious you should see the arguments on logging the multi crew stuff.
For reference http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1591
Section A appendix B
If you have no multi crew hours.
All your time will have been as follows. I will use JAR terms with the old UK terms in brackets.
1. Dual. Instructor is sitting next to you, you are training or doing a club check or anything where the instructor signs for the aircraft in the tech log.
2. PIC (P1). YOU sign for the aircraft in the tech log. It can be solo or with your mum and dad or even with another pilot sitting next to you. The big thing is that you have signed for the aircraft.
3. PICUS (P1 U/S). Any flight test which has been passed with an examiner for the purpose of rating or license. If you fail it will be Dual. The examiner signs for the aircraft and you put them down as the PIC in your log book but you can add it to your PIC totals with a PICUS comment and a signature from the examiner in the remarks for the flight.
4. Instructor. You have signed the tech log and are PIC for the purpose of instructing or sharing the hours which isn't unheard of.
5. SPIC. This is a special for intergrated courses which I don't know much about. Those that can log it follow the advise of the instructors.
I will leave the joys of logging Co-pilot (P2) and PICUS (P1 U/S) for another day in Multi Pilot Aircraft because if you think the debate on logging stuff in a Single Pilot Aircraft is contensious you should see the arguments on logging the multi crew stuff.
For reference http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1591
Section A appendix B
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Thanks for this very clear answer mad_jock!
In the link you gave I found: Note: in civil terminology PIC and P1 are the same
So now, I just have to highlight what are the "solo" hours.
I would think it's the hours when your alone on board, but flying under the suppervision of the instructor? As for the first solo navigations in preparation of the ppl?...
Edit: I found that as well:
Student pilot flying as the sole occupant of an aircraft during training for the grant of a PPL or CPL.
Enter time in ‘P1’ column.
I think the best thing to do now is to call highland airways to have an answer....
Edit2:
‘Solo flight’ means a flight on which the pilot of the aircraft
is not accompanied by a person holding a pilot’s licence
granted or rendered valid under this Order.
I'm definitively lost *sigh*
In the link you gave I found: Note: in civil terminology PIC and P1 are the same
So now, I just have to highlight what are the "solo" hours.
I would think it's the hours when your alone on board, but flying under the suppervision of the instructor? As for the first solo navigations in preparation of the ppl?...
Edit: I found that as well:
Student pilot flying as the sole occupant of an aircraft during training for the grant of a PPL or CPL.
Enter time in ‘P1’ column.
I think the best thing to do now is to call highland airways to have an answer....
Edit2:
‘Solo flight’ means a flight on which the pilot of the aircraft
is not accompanied by a person holding a pilot’s licence
granted or rendered valid under this Order.
I'm definitively lost *sigh*
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Right - for the everlasting solo/p1 saga they are one and the same. Regardless if you are with someone in the aircraft if they don't have some kind of nice little book from a CAA then you are P1/Captain/Solo/PIC all at the same time.
If you are training towards an additional rating/are having a check flight for currency or are doing something which you don't have the qualifications to do but are accompanied by an instructor that can then you are P.u/t
P2 never ever comes into it as all single engine aircraft are single crew so you are either P1 or not basically (unless training)
Also - anyone heard anything yet? Until I get a firm yes/no for interview I'm just putting off the Bristol GS till then - and I really want to crack on!
Their website hasn't been updated and the last I got from them was a letter saying "We anticipate holding interviews mid-April and will let you know if you are selected to attend". (that was on 17th March)
If you are training towards an additional rating/are having a check flight for currency or are doing something which you don't have the qualifications to do but are accompanied by an instructor that can then you are P.u/t
P2 never ever comes into it as all single engine aircraft are single crew so you are either P1 or not basically (unless training)
Also - anyone heard anything yet? Until I get a firm yes/no for interview I'm just putting off the Bristol GS till then - and I really want to crack on!
Their website hasn't been updated and the last I got from them was a letter saying "We anticipate holding interviews mid-April and will let you know if you are selected to attend". (that was on 17th March)
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No point in putting off the groundschool. If you don't get in you will have wasted time. If you do get in you still have to do it, why not make a dent in it now. Once you're working 14 hour days you will kick yourself that you wasted time.
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I'm keen make a dent in it - just not £3k worth of keen should i get in and could end up with it for free so to speak
More of the opinion of give it another week or two and should nothing be forecoming in the post then will try a phone call and should that not work then off I trot to Bristol!
More of the opinion of give it another week or two and should nothing be forecoming in the post then will try a phone call and should that not work then off I trot to Bristol!
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Module 1 is £1300. If nothing else if you get an interview you will be showing willing. You must have budgeted it anyway. Also it could be done full time in a couple of months max if you put your 100% effort. Would be nice to have it out the way, well worth £1300.
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Tis true but I've already invested 3 years of my life in aviation starting out as an aircraft cleaner, and slowly working my way up now in ops.
Through this soloed on 16th birthday, licence in hand just after 17th and have recently just crossed the 130hr border - would have thought that would be commitment enough!
Through this soloed on 16th birthday, licence in hand just after 17th and have recently just crossed the 130hr border - would have thought that would be commitment enough!
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Only offering you some friendly advice - take it or leave it I really don't care. You seem to think you may be the only one with some hours on a PPL. I can tell you you aren't. Indeed past successful candidates have had multi ratings, all groundschool done, all hour building done.
Good Luck
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Thanks for the heads up
I fully understand that I won't be the only 18 year old with a couple of hours behind me, or that I'm completely unique in terms of those applying, however I may be tempted to say I'll be one of the few that has gained his/her hours through hard graft - when I started as an aircraft cleaner I cycled to the airport (12 miles
), when I was 16 I got a moped specifically for that and despite it being quicker and far easier was still bloody freezing in the winter! My hi-vis waterproof trousers ended up being patched with duct tape on the knees I came off so much in the few winters I had it! I worked through the winter when it was so cold that the water froze onto the underneath of the aircraft I was cleaning, I think that for someone so young (relatively) to have already shown the commitment and dedication that I have towards a career in aviation I could be a real asset to Highland - phew! any thoughts?!
I fully understand that I won't be the only 18 year old with a couple of hours behind me, or that I'm completely unique in terms of those applying, however I may be tempted to say I'll be one of the few that has gained his/her hours through hard graft - when I started as an aircraft cleaner I cycled to the airport (12 miles), when I was 16 I got a moped specifically for that and despite it being quicker and far easier was still bloody freezing in the winter! My hi-vis waterproof trousers ended up being patched with duct tape on the knees I came off so much in the few winters I had it! I worked through the winter when it was so cold that the water froze onto the underneath of the aircraft I was cleaning, I think that for someone so young (relatively) to have already shown the commitment and dedication that I have towards a career in aviation I could be a real asset to Highland - phew! any thoughts?!
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Is it open yet??
Rumours are about..the 2008 scheme is going to be open very shortly, send in apps as per the website. Looking for a November start date? Who knows.
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Hey
I'm confused because I keep a very keen look out for this and it states on the web site.
I know they say they will aim to recruit cadets every 9 months, but do you seriously think they may be starting again with lots of experienced guys out there?
I'm confused because I keep a very keen look out for this and it states on the web site.
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The 2008 scheme is now closed
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The 2008 scheme is now closed