Self Sponsored Type Rating With Line Hours
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Self Sponsored Type Rating With Line Hours
Hi everyone can everyone chip in here and help list all the airlines/organisations that offer a type rating with line hours? Cheers
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If you look at flightglobal you'll find some recent ad's for TR and line training vacancies. Storm Aviation - A320 rating and 300 hours. All yours for 25 thousand quid! Whether you agree with the morals of it are a different issue
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none will employ you if your total time doesn't exceed 1500h-2000h.
this market is already filled with pilots with 500-600tt, and 200h or 300h of airbus/boeing, and still looking for a job.
few or none have reported something positive...
if airlines were employing this kind of guys, we would know it!
this market is already filled with pilots with 500-600tt, and 200h or 300h of airbus/boeing, and still looking for a job.
few or none have reported something positive...
if airlines were employing this kind of guys, we would know it!
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believe me, they don't have to cry for pilots with 300/500h ON TYPE.They are not desperated to see you with a type rating.
not only you need 300/500h , but they want see your 1500-2000h total time.
these requirements are to apply, it doesn't mean they will give you a job.
Parc aviation received thousand of email every week.
When they have a job opening , 200-300 pilots apply for maybe 5-10 jobs.
So they will pick up the guys with 10'000h, not the guy with 300h just coming out from line training.
about Bond? some of my friends didn't finished their type or their line training. Once you have paid, they put you on stand by after 2-3 days flying, then you wait and wait , and wait, until your license are expired,...and with no curent license, you have 2 choices, you pay more, or you leave...
not only you need 300/500h , but they want see your 1500-2000h total time.
these requirements are to apply, it doesn't mean they will give you a job.
Parc aviation received thousand of email every week.
When they have a job opening , 200-300 pilots apply for maybe 5-10 jobs.
So they will pick up the guys with 10'000h, not the guy with 300h just coming out from line training.
about Bond? some of my friends didn't finished their type or their line training. Once you have paid, they put you on stand by after 2-3 days flying, then you wait and wait , and wait, until your license are expired,...and with no curent license, you have 2 choices, you pay more, or you leave...
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I've just had a quick look to clarify, and Dartagnan is correct. Almost all ads for Type Rated crew on flight global were TR + Min 500 on Type + 1500TT
A very odd one stated a TT of 1000 but still required 500 on Type.
(Bearing in mind these were for airliners)
Two friends of mine went the SSTR route. One on an A320 with 300 on type and one on a B757 with 100 on type.
That was 9 and 18 months ago respectively..... still nothing.
I think the bottom line is if you are going to pay for the rating
then at least get a job confirmed first. Otherwise IMHO Its complete madness.
A very odd one stated a TT of 1000 but still required 500 on Type.
(Bearing in mind these were for airliners)
Two friends of mine went the SSTR route. One on an A320 with 300 on type and one on a B757 with 100 on type.
That was 9 and 18 months ago respectively..... still nothing.
I think the bottom line is if you are going to pay for the rating
then at least get a job confirmed first. Otherwise IMHO Its complete madness.
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How in the world do you guys afford this extra 20k+ after all the training costs
the chance to find a job with 500h tt, and 300h airbus/boeing are close of 0.1%.
with 1500h, not even 1%
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what results
Can anyone who has tried and failed or alternatively tried and succeeded with the sstr route add comments?
How in the world do you guys afford this extra 20k+ after all the training costs
I work and save. Unfortunately this means taking gaps in my aviating.
How in the world do you guys afford this extra 20k+ after all the training costs
I work and save. Unfortunately this means taking gaps in my aviating.
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Can I point out a depressing point with these shemes. The line training you get on most SSTR is near on worthless. You are effectively put in the right hand seat and quietly asked for the gear up and the gear down. You do very little handling and the organisations 'training' you have little worry about the standard they produce as they are not looking to employ you for the long term. Thus, you have 100hrs or so in your logbook nut no real handling experience - and all the other airlines know it!
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Ok let get some facts about SSTR's
1, Not everyone gets "Daddy" pay for it, some do, might even go as far as saying most do, but not all of them. I took a break from flying for a few years worked very hard at a job over seas to fund all my training.
Also the selection for the more respected company's is every bit as tough as for and other airline, not just a simple as "do you have the cash?"
2, Like any other type of training establishment there are good and bad TRTO's, but all are bound by the same rules, checked and audited to the same standard as all the rest ( well within the same country anyway). So they are not going to sign off on a LST unless you can operate the aircraft to the required standard. You have to be up the grades, if not your gone.
3, Line training, Unless you end up line flying at some cowboy outfit you are not just going gear up and down, no way, not a chance. I was trained to just the same standard as any F/o at the airline i was with. Not one inch was given on standards where i trained, if you was not up to the standard you didn't get the line release. If you passed you stayed on on F/O pay scale for the summer.
4, Jobs, the big one. Lets see, people are saying that you wont get a job with the hours. Not true, i finished my " Line training" and started a contract job the next week, also been offered a permanent position with the airline i trained with at the end of this contract. And not just that i am in three hold pools as well as being offered more contract work.
5, The morals of SSTR's. Don't bother getting all principled and start shouting that they are evil and no one should pay for them.
I agree, BUT, this is a very cut throat industry. I decided that if i didn't take it ten other people would, and what would that have achieved? Nothing!
I was asked in the interview how a felt about paying for a rating, i gave them the honest answer, i didn't want to have to pay, but the world has changed.
So to sum it up am i happy i did an SSTR? Yes i am, it has more than paid its cost for its self already. The future is, as the advert used to say, orange ( and no i am not at easyjet at the mo).
Cheers
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p.s sorry if the typing and spelling is c**p, rushing to much as i have to be up early tomorrow to go to the land of the pyramids.
1, Not everyone gets "Daddy" pay for it, some do, might even go as far as saying most do, but not all of them. I took a break from flying for a few years worked very hard at a job over seas to fund all my training.
Also the selection for the more respected company's is every bit as tough as for and other airline, not just a simple as "do you have the cash?"
2, Like any other type of training establishment there are good and bad TRTO's, but all are bound by the same rules, checked and audited to the same standard as all the rest ( well within the same country anyway). So they are not going to sign off on a LST unless you can operate the aircraft to the required standard. You have to be up the grades, if not your gone.
3, Line training, Unless you end up line flying at some cowboy outfit you are not just going gear up and down, no way, not a chance. I was trained to just the same standard as any F/o at the airline i was with. Not one inch was given on standards where i trained, if you was not up to the standard you didn't get the line release. If you passed you stayed on on F/O pay scale for the summer.
4, Jobs, the big one. Lets see, people are saying that you wont get a job with the hours. Not true, i finished my " Line training" and started a contract job the next week, also been offered a permanent position with the airline i trained with at the end of this contract. And not just that i am in three hold pools as well as being offered more contract work.
5, The morals of SSTR's. Don't bother getting all principled and start shouting that they are evil and no one should pay for them.
I agree, BUT, this is a very cut throat industry. I decided that if i didn't take it ten other people would, and what would that have achieved? Nothing!
I was asked in the interview how a felt about paying for a rating, i gave them the honest answer, i didn't want to have to pay, but the world has changed.
So to sum it up am i happy i did an SSTR? Yes i am, it has more than paid its cost for its self already. The future is, as the advert used to say, orange ( and no i am not at easyjet at the mo).
Cheers
Polar
p.s sorry if the typing and spelling is c**p, rushing to much as i have to be up early tomorrow to go to the land of the pyramids.
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" i didn't want to have to pay, but the world has changed."
Not exactly...IMO I would say students pilots change (well some, not all).
If a company asks paying for TR it is because it knows some wannabes will pay for that not because the company cannot pay.
" i didn't want to have to pay, but the world has changed."
Not exactly...IMO I would say students pilots change (well some, not all).
If a company asks paying for TR it is because it knows some wannabes will pay for that not because the company cannot pay.
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Avoid FSB in Berlin, they offer a B737 TR in which they tell you that there is a very good prospect that you will get 100 hours of line training.
I have stayed in touch with my training mates from FSB, and nobody got those 100 hours. It is just a way of getting students to their school.
I have stayed in touch with my training mates from FSB, and nobody got those 100 hours. It is just a way of getting students to their school.
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Go ahead guys, we only live once....Spend your money for some useless rating.
Your impatience cost you a lot.. What about getting a FI licence and instructing for a while??? Then you'll have a nicer logbook..etc...
We all want to be Jet Pilot, some at any price.... Go for it if you're naif enough to spend up to 150 000 euros for a job (basic training + TR + interests).
Your impatience cost you a lot.. What about getting a FI licence and instructing for a while??? Then you'll have a nicer logbook..etc...
We all want to be Jet Pilot, some at any price.... Go for it if you're naif enough to spend up to 150 000 euros for a job (basic training + TR + interests).
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My useless rating gave me a job!!!!
And Bambe.... Im Pretty sure we have ALL heard that song before
Maybe you should start you own " Dont pay for your own typerating" thread.
And Bambe.... Im Pretty sure we have ALL heard that song before
Maybe you should start you own " Dont pay for your own typerating" thread.
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VNA,
I agree with you its when you say "because it knows some wannabes will pay for that not because the company cannot pay". I don't like it, but thats exactly how it is. And thats what i was saying by the world changing.
Bambe,
As topper says " my useless rating gave me a job". You say do a FI and instruct for a while (very good advice), I did. And I think it was the best thing i did, it helped to make me a better pilot.
Brainstorm,
I don't know about FSB, but i decided i was not taking any rating that didn't include the line hours. Make sure it is in the contract. There are too many people with a rating and 1 hour on type out looking for jobs. And you realy do need the time to get anything.
I agree with you its when you say "because it knows some wannabes will pay for that not because the company cannot pay". I don't like it, but thats exactly how it is. And thats what i was saying by the world changing.
Bambe,
As topper says " my useless rating gave me a job". You say do a FI and instruct for a while (very good advice), I did. And I think it was the best thing i did, it helped to make me a better pilot.
Brainstorm,
I don't know about FSB, but i decided i was not taking any rating that didn't include the line hours. Make sure it is in the contract. There are too many people with a rating and 1 hour on type out looking for jobs. And you realy do need the time to get anything.