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If its a combat issue you will not be offered another cockpit. that is the current policy. Withdrawing from the fast jet training will be big subject in your airline interview. If you can justify and show that you will not do the same during line training etc then you will be fine.
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Again, i'd just like to say a big thankyou for all the advice received. I think i am going to give valley a good shot but with the mindset if that by 1st solo im still really not enjoying it then will start talking to people re: either a multi crossover or ultimately pvr.
Thanks so much for the adivce and if theres any other gems of wisdom that people may have it would still be very much appreciated!
Thanks so much for the adivce and if theres any other gems of wisdom that people may have it would still be very much appreciated!
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I can't see by the life of me how this guys genuine? How does one get so far without the suicidal desire and determination to get that far in the first place? Completely bemuses me. 
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Whether this is person is genuine or not. They would not be the first or the last to think like this. It happens more often than people realise.
If you haven't been through RAF flying training (and I haven't either) you're not really in a position to judge or understand this guy's (or gal's) motives. For some, the continual pressure of the RAF system just weighs them down. For sure, rorting around the A5 at 200' is great fun but military flying training is fundamentally different from the civilian system. Probably great if it's going well but not everyone is suited to the more robust debriefing style, survival training, prospect of lengthy detachments etc. I have met many guys who were relieved when the system finally spat them out before they withdrew themselves.
Give him a break.
Give him a break.
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Well OASC cant be doing such a top job as they should be weeding out the ones who are not made of the right stuff. Sorry but Ive no time for wingers, anyone who applies to the RAF should have an idea axactly what they are in for.
Who ever said flying a fast jet was easy
Who ever said flying a fast jet was easy
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Flying around at 420kts and at 250ft AGL can indeed be fun. I was very fortunate to go down that route before being spat out and going rotary. Then that spat me out! There is no accounting for how bods will cope with the Military Flying Training System. I passed OASC and the AIB with reasonable scores and gained very competitive aptitude scores. There is no guarantee though that this means an individual will get through the system.
The MFTS is hard, very hard and unique. Something akin to being in a pressure cooker with many other factors thrown in such as extra duties, miserable instructors, unwritten desirable "chop" rates. The Navy for example has and does and will again chop pilots who have already gained their wings and are on their very last flight of three years worth of training. Sounds unbelievable doesn't it! Also seems like a massive waste of public money, some are even being asked to leave the Navy as there are no alternative branches to go to once chopped. There is simply no other option but to see your dreams fade to nothing, you can't put your hand in the pocket and pay for another flight. You do feel like that axe is waiting to fall from day one. Hats off to all those who do make it.
I know that many, many people would give their left nut to strap into a hawk, pull the visor down and accelerate off into a LL sortie around the Lakes. The work load is massive though and It sounds a bit daft, but you don't really have a huge amount of time to enjoy yourself inbetwen the turning points. A back seat ride is far more preferable (if you don't spend half your time spewing!). I have honestly had more fun in a Cessna 152 flying my old man around a nav route or doing some aeros in a Robin 2160 with my best mate videoing the whole thing in the RHS. As for rotary.....urgh!
Give the OP a break (even if he/she is in the RAF and refers to it as the raf!).
Back to the mince pie and cup of tea...
The MFTS is hard, very hard and unique. Something akin to being in a pressure cooker with many other factors thrown in such as extra duties, miserable instructors, unwritten desirable "chop" rates. The Navy for example has and does and will again chop pilots who have already gained their wings and are on their very last flight of three years worth of training. Sounds unbelievable doesn't it! Also seems like a massive waste of public money, some are even being asked to leave the Navy as there are no alternative branches to go to once chopped. There is simply no other option but to see your dreams fade to nothing, you can't put your hand in the pocket and pay for another flight. You do feel like that axe is waiting to fall from day one. Hats off to all those who do make it.
I know that many, many people would give their left nut to strap into a hawk, pull the visor down and accelerate off into a LL sortie around the Lakes. The work load is massive though and It sounds a bit daft, but you don't really have a huge amount of time to enjoy yourself inbetwen the turning points. A back seat ride is far more preferable (if you don't spend half your time spewing!). I have honestly had more fun in a Cessna 152 flying my old man around a nav route or doing some aeros in a Robin 2160 with my best mate videoing the whole thing in the RHS. As for rotary.....urgh!
Give the OP a break (even if he/she is in the RAF and refers to it as the raf!).
Back to the mince pie and cup of tea...
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Hmm, well I've a passing knowledge of the RAF flight training system and people in it and a mate at Valley at the moment. This series of posts in terms of content, grammar and syntax doesn't ring true with me and as yet there is no Private Message confirming course number..
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Wy on earth does he have to prove his bona fides to you? Good grief!
Because I don't want time wasting fantasists wasting peoples valuable time. He may be genuine but it smell suspect and bona fides have not been given when asked.
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Nobody is forced to read any of these threads so I can't see that he's wasting anyone's time except those with time to waste!
Having spent many years correcting grammar and spelling on incident reports and ACRs written by aircrew I would say that his language skills mark him out as being exceedingly authentic!
Having spent many years correcting grammar and spelling on incident reports and ACRs written by aircrew I would say that his language skills mark him out as being exceedingly authentic!
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Look guys this post is genuine. I cannot believe people will take time out of their lives to debate whether the post is genuine or not.
The reason i havent given me course number to the people who have asked is that i do not want to put myself in a vulnerable position where someone could work out who i am!
I dont think the RAF would quite appreciate people in the flying training system having doubts , but as many of you have pointed out, many people do!!!
All i want is some advice on what people think is best for me to do etc etc. (not someone correcting my grammar and punctuation!)
So again thanks for all the advice it has definately helped and again, anymore would be greatly appreciated!!
Cheers
Woriedpvr
The reason i havent given me course number to the people who have asked is that i do not want to put myself in a vulnerable position where someone could work out who i am!
I dont think the RAF would quite appreciate people in the flying training system having doubts , but as many of you have pointed out, many people do!!!
All i want is some advice on what people think is best for me to do etc etc. (not someone correcting my grammar and punctuation!)
So again thanks for all the advice it has definately helped and again, anymore would be greatly appreciated!!
Cheers
Woriedpvr
Well my advice is to stop wasting more taxpayers money and leave making space for the person who desperately wants the slot.
If you wish to persue a flying career then find a way of acquiring £40,000 and start selecting a flying school.
Perhaps this might be a question better asked in the Military forum.?
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If you wish to persue a flying career then find a way of acquiring £40,000 and start selecting a flying school.
Perhaps this might be a question better asked in the Military forum.?
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An Officer with a University education asking a vague question on the Wannabes forum using poor grammar and spelling aroused my suspicions that it might be a troll or similar.
You'd be amazed at what we get. Could this be someone trying to spread rumours about a weak course mate PVR'ing before Valley? PM'ing me brief bona fides would have shut me up straight away but it hasn't happened. Nevertheless the thread remains for all to comment upon.
Personally I think standards must have really slipped.
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You'd be amazed at what we get. Could this be someone trying to spread rumours about a weak course mate PVR'ing before Valley? PM'ing me brief bona fides would have shut me up straight away but it hasn't happened. Nevertheless the thread remains for all to comment upon.
Personally I think standards must have really slipped.
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A university education does not imply any standard of written English. I was continually saddened by the extremely bright and talented engineers around me during my first degree who couldn't string half a dozen words together.
As I said before: during nearly 20 years service I came across plenty of extremely talented aircrew who were just rubbish at putting their thoughts down on paper. After OCC, ISS, JCSC, ICSC and ASC one might expect higher standards but in my experience his written skills seem about par for the course for a JP. Can we leave his bona fides alone now?
How about WWW pm'ing me with your IOT course number?
As I said before: during nearly 20 years service I came across plenty of extremely talented aircrew who were just rubbish at putting their thoughts down on paper. After OCC, ISS, JCSC, ICSC and ASC one might expect higher standards but in my experience his written skills seem about par for the course for a JP. Can we leave his bona fides alone now?
How about WWW pm'ing me with your IOT course number?
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Anyone can fly an airliner, how many people ever get a chance to fly Hawks?
For example, in the Netjets thread it is stated that the failure rate for the command upgrade course, is significantly higher for ex RAF candidates as a grouping compared to that of candidates with a GA/Airline background.
