Pegasus 737 nearly lands on fire truck in Finland
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Good point Groundloop. As is the case on many of the threads here on PPRUNE, if a thread lacks firm details or we are awaiting those details, then speculation starts to fly and soon we are off the original point.
But often some interesting discussion happens on some interesting subjects, so not always complete waste of time?
The discussion of experience gradient is a valid one. But maybe also, the A**hole/skygod -to- Nice/Humble person gradient is also a big issue in this industry as well as many other working environemnts (often in the office/corporate world).
You are always gonna get a spectrum of different peronalities, but if those people with hostile attitudes thought a little bit more and read maybe some Buddhist texts for example, then maybe their actions and the way they speak and treat people could become more mindfull, thus creating a better working environment and generally a nicer world.
But that's just my view...
Sometimes every man/woman needs to look within?
But often some interesting discussion happens on some interesting subjects, so not always complete waste of time?
The discussion of experience gradient is a valid one. But maybe also, the A**hole/skygod -to- Nice/Humble person gradient is also a big issue in this industry as well as many other working environemnts (often in the office/corporate world).
You are always gonna get a spectrum of different peronalities, but if those people with hostile attitudes thought a little bit more and read maybe some Buddhist texts for example, then maybe their actions and the way they speak and treat people could become more mindfull, thus creating a better working environment and generally a nicer world.
But that's just my view...
Sometimes every man/woman needs to look within?
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There is no info available on this thread as to the experience levels of the crew. We do not know if it was a "pay to fly" FO but that hasn't stopped some people assuming it was and using it as an excuse to start a rant.
Unfortunately rather then actually having any sort of debate, you get some numpties who just start flaming. In reality these people would never dream of talking to people like that in real life but behind an anonymous username its a different matter....I guess it makes them feel big?
The point I want to get across is that you have an airline who have extremly crooked methods of crewing their aircraft so I wouldn't be surprised if the business is rotten to the core with safety being low on priorities.
I guess the reason its been moved to here is because its come back to old debate of paying for hours on type. Seems like the established pilots don't want to face up to the shafting that is constantly dished out to newbees, but this is nothing new, as a group of professionals we do seem to maintain a selfish and "I'm alright jack" attitude. I really want to see BALPA address it but I doubt they ever will.
But maybe also, the A**hole/skygod -to- Nice/Humble person gradient is also a big issue in this industry
Anyway this has gone totally off thread and im not going to debate the "hours building" issue with people who don't know or yet understand what its doing to the industry or their future careers so that's me out.
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Human RVR. You sat in a box raised up (access via a ladder).
The human observer form of RVR depended upon the number of lights a human observer could see from his perch which was outside the localiser sensitive area (CAT 1 ILS remember). The lumination/RVR had been pre-calculated so if you could see 6 lights, the RVR was say 400 meters. The observers tended to be Fire Fighters.
The observers would report the number of lights visible to them via R/T and ATC would then look at a chart and the 'official' RVR was then determind for a runway.
The human observer form of RVR depended upon the number of lights a human observer could see from his perch which was outside the localiser sensitive area (CAT 1 ILS remember). The lumination/RVR had been pre-calculated so if you could see 6 lights, the RVR was say 400 meters. The observers tended to be Fire Fighters.
The observers would report the number of lights visible to them via R/T and ATC would then look at a chart and the 'official' RVR was then determind for a runway.
