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Dear all Merry Christmas,
I would like to know wether after passing a the Assesment Ryr give you any kind of documentation to enable you to borrow money from the banks for the TRC?
I have already been to see the banks and they said they would need to see some sort of paper work, if you could let me know it woud be much appreciated.
Thanks Stallstrip
I would like to know wether after passing a the Assesment Ryr give you any kind of documentation to enable you to borrow money from the banks for the TRC?
I have already been to see the banks and they said they would need to see some sort of paper work, if you could let me know it woud be much appreciated.
Thanks Stallstrip
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I recieved a line training contract, but it is a fixed term 6 monthly thing so a bank would probably not let you borrow against it - they'd want to see evidence of people going on to be employed. This is about, but obviously it's anecdotal.
Try HSBC in Oxford, they are familiar with pilots and probably know the score - if not try asking a parent/responsible person/generous mod to guarantee the loan
Horgy
Try HSBC in Oxford, they are familiar with pilots and probably know the score - if not try asking a parent/responsible person/generous mod to guarantee the loan
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Thanks MrHorgy, Oxford have stopped doing these loans now unfortunately, I will just have to go in with the 6 month contract!
Any other suggestions are very welcome!
Stallstrip.
Any other suggestions are very welcome!
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Have you actually got the position with Ryanair? One of the questions I was asked was inevitably "can you fund a type rating". If you have then ask the people who know (if you don't know who that is PM/email me) and they might be able to write you something - I know RYR are writing letters support bank account opening for HSBC in Castle Donny.
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I am preparing for "Sexy Time" 
Yeah was ok, was in the cabin mind but I fell asleep - i'm under instructions to start bootlegging RYR calendars so expect me to have a pallet of them come sunday..
Horgy
Yeah was ok, was in the cabin mind but I fell asleep - i'm under instructions to start bootlegging RYR calendars so expect me to have a pallet of them come sunday..
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High five!
Shame about cabin but guess sleeping is always good. Nothing exciting happening here, we're all just working. boooooring. Altho checkout topclass our assessment details are on em now.
Shame about cabin but guess sleeping is always good. Nothing exciting happening here, we're all just working. boooooring. Altho checkout topclass our assessment details are on em now.
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Orvil is 100% correct here, despite everything that is said about Ryanair, I did all of it and now I have a decent jet job flying new 800 series aircraft, we all know how they shaft you initially but the fact is that after 6 months of being there I was CLEARING 3000 pounds a month, how bad is that? their roster is very stable of 5 on 4 off and 99.9% of the captains you fly with are good guys. Also with their rapid expansion palns there are loads of opportunities within the company, if you stop being so anti-ryanair and "want" to advance yourself the opportunities are there to be grabbed.
If you can access the money to pay for a TR fact is you will get the job and now over a year on, I have nearly 1000 hours on type, ok Ryan are using me, but quite frankly I am using them too, clocking up hours quickly on a great aircraft which will rapidly enable me to advance my career, starting with Ryan on the 738 puts you 5 years ahead of any prop job, something to consider......
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If you can access the money to pay for a TR fact is you will get the job and now over a year on, I have nearly 1000 hours on type, ok Ryan are using me, but quite frankly I am using them too, clocking up hours quickly on a great aircraft which will rapidly enable me to advance my career, starting with Ryan on the 738 puts you 5 years ahead of any prop job, something to consider......
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WHOOPEYDOO, is good to hear someone with some good things to say well done mate good for you if half of the people on hear were'nt so bitter maybe the bad points could be turned around at Ryr
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Cheers Stallstrip,
I get fed up with the constat ryan bashing by people on here who probably dont really know what the company is like, yes there are bad points but they are over emphasised here on PPrune probably by individuals who dont really know from inside what the company is like and no one really mentions any good points, it is an ok airline and certainly as a starting off point, wannabies should bite their arm off !!
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I get fed up with the constat ryan bashing by people on here who probably dont really know what the company is like, yes there are bad points but they are over emphasised here on PPrune probably by individuals who dont really know from inside what the company is like and no one really mentions any good points, it is an ok airline and certainly as a starting off point, wannabies should bite their arm off !!
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whoopeydoo, you say that:
"starting with Ryan on the 738 puts you 5 years ahead of any prop job, something to consider".
I have considered that statement and I consider it bollocks!
The world is just as much your oyster with say 1000 turbo prop hours as it is with 1000 737 hrs. Do not underestimate the complexity of a turbo prop aircraft such as an ATR (which is said to be more complex and demanding than a 737), with no luxury of auto landings for example.
"starting with Ryan on the 738 puts you 5 years ahead of any prop job, something to consider".
I have considered that statement and I consider it bollocks!
The world is just as much your oyster with say 1000 turbo prop hours as it is with 1000 737 hrs. Do not underestimate the complexity of a turbo prop aircraft such as an ATR (which is said to be more complex and demanding than a 737), with no luxury of auto landings for example.
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Bad Boy,
You speak rubbish as well! Agreed turbo props are demanding and technical. But 1000 hours in a turbo prop is not like 1000 hours in a jet FACT! Much Slower speeds more time to think! Turbo props have a much quicker thrust response when you need it "low and slow" for example! Also auto land is a skill in itself you have to be rated on each cat system. High altitude flying is an artform you try sick flying at 38,000'.
So dont get upset if you just have a prop job, it is skilled work but not the same.
Also how many ATR's are around compared to 737's much better job opportunitys
Stallstrip.
You speak rubbish as well! Agreed turbo props are demanding and technical. But 1000 hours in a turbo prop is not like 1000 hours in a jet FACT! Much Slower speeds more time to think! Turbo props have a much quicker thrust response when you need it "low and slow" for example! Also auto land is a skill in itself you have to be rated on each cat system. High altitude flying is an artform you try sick flying at 38,000'.
So dont get upset if you just have a prop job, it is skilled work but not the same.
Also how many ATR's are around compared to 737's much better job opportunitys
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This should not be about a mine is bigger than yours argument. I believe it is a thread on a particular company's cadet open day.
But from an experienced soul with many hours under their belt with both turbo command, medium jet and heavy jet command I may perhaps give a little advise on this thread transgression. I still believe the turboprop has been my biggest and most enjoyable challenge to date. Someone said that there are more jobs available on jets around the world. It's actually quite the contary. Have a look at all the left seat turbo commmand jobs available around europe on the Flight International job section.
Don't let your inexperienced dreams pass comments on statements you cannot back up. God what are these flight schools filling these young peoples heads with nowadays.
Make a statement like this when you have flown both and have at least a few thousand commercial hours to back it up. The difference in my company I see from people who started with initial prop experience to those with intial jet experience is very evident in the simulator. (And I back this up by saying that it's not that either are better pilots, only the scan of guys/girls coming from less automated machines is initially at a higher level,) And I include myself in that statement. I have no quams in saying that my scan is not what it used to be years ago, despite my experience. In fact my colleagues and I dissussed this only recently at a training meeting to review our recent recruitment intake.
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Turbo props have a much quicker thrust response when you need it "low and slow" for example! Also auto land is a skill in itself you have to be rated on each cat system. High altitude flying is an artform you try sick flying at 38,000'.
Now it gets funny. Auto land is not a human skill, it's a fantastic skill of modern technology. We just sit there and monitor the show, taking care not to forget to disengage the autopilot before turning off the runway! CAT 3 approaches are simply a case of knowing your SOP's. It's hardly rocket science. And as for being rated on each CAT system. Well, CAT 3 also covers you for CAT 2 and again it's a case of knowing your SOP calls. In fact you won't be even landing the aircraft. Thats my job 
And with the greatest respect you won't be stick flying at 38,000 ft. You ask a previous poster if they have acutually tried it. I would ask if you have? Your question implies that you have, yet you say you are going for an assesment with Ryanair for what I can assume is your first jet job. (And I wish you the best of luck with that interview. It's a nice aircraft)
However I have no doubt that hand flying at 38000ft is NOT the norm in Ryanair and is not the norm in any commercial operation anywhere in the world.
The more I read of some of the threads the more I get the suspecion that someone is taking the perverbiable. I certainly hope so as it dosen't instill me with confidence knowing that people in this day and age are of this mindset
I would argue two points. First of all, I would suggest that you take the first job you can get, whether it be jets, turboprops, pistons, anything. It's experience that will get you the job you desire. Work your up towards that job, whether it is regional flying, medium or long hall. Don't let the brouchers kid you into thinking that you need to be a sky god to do our job. It's a great career, but it's still a job at the end of the day.
And secondly I would strongly argue that maturity actually sets you five years ahead of everyone else, not what you have flown
Happy Chrismas
But from an experienced soul with many hours under their belt with both turbo command, medium jet and heavy jet command I may perhaps give a little advise on this thread transgression. I still believe the turboprop has been my biggest and most enjoyable challenge to date. Someone said that there are more jobs available on jets around the world. It's actually quite the contary. Have a look at all the left seat turbo commmand jobs available around europe on the Flight International job section.
Don't let your inexperienced dreams pass comments on statements you cannot back up. God what are these flight schools filling these young peoples heads with nowadays.
"starting with Ryan on the 738 puts you 5 years ahead of any prop job, something to consider".
Stallstrip says:
Turbo props have a much quicker thrust response when you need it "low and slow" for example! Also auto land is a skill in itself you have to be rated on each cat system. High altitude flying is an artform you try sick flying at 38,000'.
And with the greatest respect you won't be stick flying at 38,000 ft. You ask a previous poster if they have acutually tried it. I would ask if you have? Your question implies that you have, yet you say you are going for an assesment with Ryanair for what I can assume is your first jet job. (And I wish you the best of luck with that interview. It's a nice aircraft)
However I have no doubt that hand flying at 38000ft is NOT the norm in Ryanair and is not the norm in any commercial operation anywhere in the world.
The more I read of some of the threads the more I get the suspecion that someone is taking the perverbiable. I certainly hope so as it dosen't instill me with confidence knowing that people in this day and age are of this mindset
I would argue two points. First of all, I would suggest that you take the first job you can get, whether it be jets, turboprops, pistons, anything. It's experience that will get you the job you desire. Work your up towards that job, whether it is regional flying, medium or long hall. Don't let the brouchers kid you into thinking that you need to be a sky god to do our job. It's a great career, but it's still a job at the end of the day.
And secondly I would strongly argue that maturity actually sets you five years ahead of everyone else, not what you have flown
Happy Chrismas
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Lord lardy, thanks for coming in and helping me out. Your post sums up everything I wanted to say but do not have the experience to back up.
Stick flying at 38000 ft! As likely as a pig flying at 38000 ft!
Stallstrip, you have flown neither type of aircraft, so don't come on here make statetements like you do, when you blatantly do not know what you are talking about.
Stick flying at 38000 ft! As likely as a pig flying at 38000 ft!
Stallstrip, you have flown neither type of aircraft, so don't come on here make statetements like you do, when you blatantly do not know what you are talking about.
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I had to go back to the start of this thread then to see what it was? I thought i'd clicked on the wrong one?
Anyone fancy going back to the point, it's done now, any thoughts on if it was worth it, anything new said to the people who paid?
YYZ
Anyone fancy going back to the point, it's done now, any thoughts on if it was worth it, anything new said to the people who paid?
YYZ
