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Well, with an attitude like yours then the rest of us are fortunate that you remain single crew. I would not like to have you as my F/O.
I also note with interest that you regard yourself as a 'real pilot' because you fly air taxi.......get over yerself and knock those chips off yer shoulder!!!
By the way, I never said anything to indicate the type of flying I do now, so I can not understand how you feel qualified to make such sweeping remarks as 'just sit there and control an aircraft'
Keep up the good work Life's a beach
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Well, with an attitude like yours then the rest of us are fortunate that you remain single crew. I would not like to have you as my F/O.
I also note with interest that you regard yourself as a 'real pilot' because you fly air taxi.......get over yerself and knock those chips off yer shoulder!!!
By the way, I never said anything to indicate the type of flying I do now, so I can not understand how you feel qualified to make such sweeping remarks as 'just sit there and control an aircraft'
Keep up the good work Life's a beach
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My attitude is fine. I just have an odd notion that when people are giving advice to others it should be accurate, not based on bias, misapprehension, or an assumption that everyone else is just like you! The last of those is one of the things I would most hate to encounter in the cockpit. I accept that single-crew IFR is not for everyone, but I am one of many people who love it, although I also like training sometimes for the company and co-operation.
If you make comments about "aim higher" than air taxi work, then you can kind of expect some digs about you not being a real pilot from those of us who would not choose the same hierarchy as you, especially with your chosen user name. Saying that multicrew flying is "more fun", when from colleagues who have moved on to it have said that it is a lot less fun, at least in many sectors of the industry, you are asking to be taken apart!
If you imply very directly that my aircraft aren't decent then my sympathy is not going to be forthcoming!
My attitude is fine. I just have an odd notion that when people are giving advice to others it should be accurate, not based on bias, misapprehension, or an assumption that everyone else is just like you! The last of those is one of the things I would most hate to encounter in the cockpit. I accept that single-crew IFR is not for everyone, but I am one of many people who love it, although I also like training sometimes for the company and co-operation.
If you make comments about "aim higher" than air taxi work, then you can kind of expect some digs about you not being a real pilot from those of us who would not choose the same hierarchy as you, especially with your chosen user name. Saying that multicrew flying is "more fun", when from colleagues who have moved on to it have said that it is a lot less fun, at least in many sectors of the industry, you are asking to be taken apart!
If you imply very directly that my aircraft aren't decent then my sympathy is not going to be forthcoming!
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Life's a beach,
I certainly don't want this to turn in to a slanging match. However I will address a few points......
My initial advice was (is) based on my experience, not assumptions. I do admit that is is biased but everyone who offers advice (including you) will do so based on their own experiences and individual biases, ask someone for advice, what else do you expect?
When I said 'aim higher' I did not mean to offend those of you who fly air taxi and apologise if I have caused offence. I was simply suggesting that Crap Pilot might like to look further afield, as one or two others had already mentioned.
Regarding multi crew I do not know of a single pilot who after having moved on to multi crew turbine has ever said they missed flying single pilot piston a/c.
From your statements it is apparent that you work in a good company with very reasonable owners, however the majority are not so fortunate.
As to the type of flying itself, I think that single pilot IFR is the hardest type of work out there and I have great respect for all those of you who do it. My point is that in my experience multi pilot flying is safer and less stressful (but still hugely enjoyable).
Perhaps we can leave it at that? as Crap Pilot has now landed a job (well done by the way C.P)
Cheers
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I certainly don't want this to turn in to a slanging match. However I will address a few points......
My initial advice was (is) based on my experience, not assumptions. I do admit that is is biased but everyone who offers advice (including you) will do so based on their own experiences and individual biases, ask someone for advice, what else do you expect?
When I said 'aim higher' I did not mean to offend those of you who fly air taxi and apologise if I have caused offence. I was simply suggesting that Crap Pilot might like to look further afield, as one or two others had already mentioned.
Regarding multi crew I do not know of a single pilot who after having moved on to multi crew turbine has ever said they missed flying single pilot piston a/c.
From your statements it is apparent that you work in a good company with very reasonable owners, however the majority are not so fortunate.
As to the type of flying itself, I think that single pilot IFR is the hardest type of work out there and I have great respect for all those of you who do it. My point is that in my experience multi pilot flying is safer and less stressful (but still hugely enjoyable).
Perhaps we can leave it at that? as Crap Pilot has now landed a job (well done by the way C.P)
Cheers
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I know many who moved on to multi-crew, and missed this type of flying. The person I replaced, a close friend, always said that he would come straight back if he was not bonded. You might have a different experience, but that does not justify comment on a whole section of the industry!
I know people who have worked for bad employers in the industry, but the same with all sections of the industry. I know more good companies in GA than poor ones.
Out of curiosity - why the user name?
Crap Pilot - good effort! Hope you have as much fun as I have had!
I know people who have worked for bad employers in the industry, but the same with all sections of the industry. I know more good companies in GA than poor ones.
Out of curiosity - why the user name?
Crap Pilot - good effort! Hope you have as much fun as I have had!
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That is what I thought.
But having read and made a couple of comments here.
It seems I was wrong, I'm still going to work my way up the ladder though, getting to the LHS of a Jet is my goal but working my way up the ladder flying the smaller stuff in the weather as opposed to over it has surly got to make you a better pilot?
I'm going to enjoy my journey and fly as many different types as I can.
If only I had 400TT, 300 PIC & 40 ME IFR
... I would love to be in a position to apply for a flying job freezing my gnards off over the irish sea 5 nights a week. Guess I'll have to wait
But having read and made a couple of comments here.
It seems I was wrong, I'm still going to work my way up the ladder though, getting to the LHS of a Jet is my goal but working my way up the ladder flying the smaller stuff in the weather as opposed to over it has surly got to make you a better pilot?
I'm going to enjoy my journey and fly as many different types as I can.
If only I had 400TT, 300 PIC & 40 ME IFR
... I would love to be in a position to apply for a flying job freezing my gnards off over the irish sea 5 nights a week. Guess I'll have to wait
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Talking about it today funnily enough in an air conditioned turbojet cockpit. Oh how we miss those nights flying at -20 degrees IAT on your jack! Well done crap pilot, take it slow out there this winter!
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"Regarding multi crew I do not know of a single pilot who after having moved on to multi crew turbine has ever said they missed flying single pilot piston a/c."
Well,I do! Nothing beats single crew with a mixture of VFR/IFR on a light twin; one day flying to Heathrow the following day to Haydock Park etc...The sensation of freedom is vey much there, not at FL470 with the AP on, flying millionaires around and spending quite a bit of time in a hotel room or on standby
Well,I do! Nothing beats single crew with a mixture of VFR/IFR on a light twin; one day flying to Heathrow the following day to Haydock Park etc...The sensation of freedom is vey much there, not at FL470 with the AP on, flying millionaires around and spending quite a bit of time in a hotel room or on standby
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It's very easy. Pilots that have operated in the air taxi sector, by definition, are commanders. Decision making skills, and general operating ability are honed operating in this environment. Balancing air safety with commercial and operational requirements, and generally understanding how the industry works. For sure, 90% move on, often to the airlines, and in most cases, leapfrog other F/O's into the left hand seat.
Don't forget, that most airline management pilots have probably operated air taxi at some time in there career, and therefore understand the benefit of experience it brings.
Don't forget, that most airline management pilots have probably operated air taxi at some time in there career, and therefore understand the benefit of experience it brings.
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"Regarding multi crew I do not know of a single pilot who after having moved on to multi crew turbine has ever said they missed flying single pilot piston a/c."
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Regarding multi crew I do not know of a single pilot who after having moved on to multi crew turbine has ever said they missed flying single pilot piston a/c.
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Having instructed, flown single pilot air taxi/freight and now multi-crew bizjet I can honestly say that they all have their up and downsides.
However, the air taxi time was by far the most demanding flying that I have ever undertaken. Only those that have flown for 4 hours across Europe at FL90 at night in bad weather at -15 whilst trying to programme a 20 year old KNS80 Rnav box and read a torn low altitude enroute chart will know what I mean. It defines loneliness, especially when the only company you have is a liver in an ice box! It taught me more about myself than any psyco. test has ever done.
Would I go back to it from my comfy, heated cabin at FL400? Probably not as the total job is still much the same. I just do it higher and faster now and share the workload with another pilot (who, like most of my colleagues flew single crew commercial in a previous life).
However, the air taxi time was by far the most demanding flying that I have ever undertaken. Only those that have flown for 4 hours across Europe at FL90 at night in bad weather at -15 whilst trying to programme a 20 year old KNS80 Rnav box and read a torn low altitude enroute chart will know what I mean. It defines loneliness, especially when the only company you have is a liver in an ice box! It taught me more about myself than any psyco. test has ever done.
Would I go back to it from my comfy, heated cabin at FL400? Probably not as the total job is still much the same. I just do it higher and faster now and share the workload with another pilot (who, like most of my colleagues flew single crew commercial in a previous life).
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If there is anybody out there looking for air taxi work the company that I work for is looking for CVs from anybody with (or very close to) 700hours TT. pm me for details.
