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Did I really read that you suggested people doing their training should not get into debt, that they should save up first!
Nice idea. Barman - I will have the same as this chap. oh while your at it could you get one of those rich capt to sponsor me instead of the airline.
Lets face it if a man is starving, he doesn't care if he is eating venison or dog, he just wants to survive another day. So do the trainees.
Ts & Cs are one of the last thing on his mind.
Did I really read that you suggested people doing their training should not get into debt, that they should save up first!
Nice idea. Barman - I will have the same as this chap. oh while your at it could you get one of those rich capt to sponsor me instead of the airline.
Lets face it if a man is starving, he doesn't care if he is eating venison or dog, he just wants to survive another day. So do the trainees.
Ts & Cs are one of the last thing on his mind.
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Aer Lingus to suspend more pilots as dispute escalates
More Aer Lingus pilots are expected to be suspended by the airline today in a move which could escalate the dispute over its plans to establish a new base in Belfast, writes Martin Wall , Industry Correspondent.
The company also said last night that it would not enter into talks with pilots' representatives unless a ban on co-operation with the establishment of its new Belfast set-up was lifted.
Four pilots have already been removed from the payroll. One was suspended without pay at lunchtime yesterday while the company last night sent letters of suspension to three others.
However, the Irish Airline Pilots' Association, which is a branch of the trade union Impact, said last night that industrial action was not on the cards.
Ialpa president Evan Cullen said: "We are going to sit on our hands and wait for management to shut down the operation and then see how they explain it to the shareholders."
Mr Cullen said that the suspension of pilots would inevitably lead to a reduction in flight services as other aircraft captains and first officers reached their legal flying limits.
The Labour Relations Commission was reported last night to be planning to intervene. The airline said, however, it had not been contacted by the LRC.
It is understood that the suspended pilots had refused, in line with advice from Ialpa and Impact, to participate in the airline's recruitment process for new staff for the Belfast base.
The company wants some of its 30 pilots who have training and instruction responsibilities to begin assessing applications for the positions of aircraft captain and first officer in Belfast. About 400 applications have been recieved.
These pilots would also be required later to serve on interview panels and provide training for successful candidates.
Management has maintained that such work is an integral part of the duties of pilots with training responsibilities, for which they receive additional pay.
Ialpa has advised members not to co-operate with the establishment of the Belfast base.
The union has been in disagreement with management for some time over the proposed terms and conditions of pilots at the Belfast operation.
Further conflict could arise today after the airline management rejected moves by about 30 pilots to resign their training and instruction responsibilities.
Management saw the resignation plan as an attempt by pilots to neutralise the threat of suspension while continuing to refuse to co-operate with the recruitment programme.
"These pilots have been appointed as instructors and are paid as instructors. This is a paper exercise to evade their responsibilities.
"We will not accept partial resignations of responsibilities," Aer Lingus said in a statement.
However, Mr Cullen said that pilots' contracts allowed them to resign as instructors and revert to flying duties only. He said that the four suspended pilots had all first resigned their training roles.
An Aer Lingus spokesman said that the suspensions would not affect flights in the short term.
The attempt by pilots to resign their training functions represented the first response of Impact and Ialpa to the threat of suspension for those who did not co-operate with the recruitment programme.
Impact said that it remained available for talks either directly with the company or through the State's industrial relations machinery.
The union said management's actions "inevitably risked" the disruption of services because suspended pilots could not fly planes. It described the suspension of pilots as "a self-defeating action" which would make it harder to achieve a resolution.
Bertie Ahern urged management and unions at Aer Lingus to work together to resolve the dispute. "Trying to call victory for one side or the other or force victory for one side is never a good idea and my advice to them for what it is worth, is to try and confront those problems and resolve them together", the Taoiseach said.
To thoughs who have applied for the Belfast base . . . Good Luck!!!
Viva better conditions for pilots
, Viva Aer Lingus
, Viva the susspended pilots - true courage. 
Hope for a resolution soon, because all this fighting is not helping anyone!
More Aer Lingus pilots are expected to be suspended by the airline today in a move which could escalate the dispute over its plans to establish a new base in Belfast, writes Martin Wall , Industry Correspondent.
The company also said last night that it would not enter into talks with pilots' representatives unless a ban on co-operation with the establishment of its new Belfast set-up was lifted.
Four pilots have already been removed from the payroll. One was suspended without pay at lunchtime yesterday while the company last night sent letters of suspension to three others.
However, the Irish Airline Pilots' Association, which is a branch of the trade union Impact, said last night that industrial action was not on the cards.
Ialpa president Evan Cullen said: "We are going to sit on our hands and wait for management to shut down the operation and then see how they explain it to the shareholders."
Mr Cullen said that the suspension of pilots would inevitably lead to a reduction in flight services as other aircraft captains and first officers reached their legal flying limits.
The Labour Relations Commission was reported last night to be planning to intervene. The airline said, however, it had not been contacted by the LRC.
It is understood that the suspended pilots had refused, in line with advice from Ialpa and Impact, to participate in the airline's recruitment process for new staff for the Belfast base.
The company wants some of its 30 pilots who have training and instruction responsibilities to begin assessing applications for the positions of aircraft captain and first officer in Belfast. About 400 applications have been recieved.
These pilots would also be required later to serve on interview panels and provide training for successful candidates.
Management has maintained that such work is an integral part of the duties of pilots with training responsibilities, for which they receive additional pay.
Ialpa has advised members not to co-operate with the establishment of the Belfast base.
The union has been in disagreement with management for some time over the proposed terms and conditions of pilots at the Belfast operation.
Further conflict could arise today after the airline management rejected moves by about 30 pilots to resign their training and instruction responsibilities.
Management saw the resignation plan as an attempt by pilots to neutralise the threat of suspension while continuing to refuse to co-operate with the recruitment programme.
"These pilots have been appointed as instructors and are paid as instructors. This is a paper exercise to evade their responsibilities.
"We will not accept partial resignations of responsibilities," Aer Lingus said in a statement.
However, Mr Cullen said that pilots' contracts allowed them to resign as instructors and revert to flying duties only. He said that the four suspended pilots had all first resigned their training roles.
An Aer Lingus spokesman said that the suspensions would not affect flights in the short term.
The attempt by pilots to resign their training functions represented the first response of Impact and Ialpa to the threat of suspension for those who did not co-operate with the recruitment programme.
Impact said that it remained available for talks either directly with the company or through the State's industrial relations machinery.
The union said management's actions "inevitably risked" the disruption of services because suspended pilots could not fly planes. It described the suspension of pilots as "a self-defeating action" which would make it harder to achieve a resolution.
Bertie Ahern urged management and unions at Aer Lingus to work together to resolve the dispute. "Trying to call victory for one side or the other or force victory for one side is never a good idea and my advice to them for what it is worth, is to try and confront those problems and resolve them together", the Taoiseach said.
To thoughs who have applied for the Belfast base . . . Good Luck!!!
Viva better conditions for pilots
, Viva Aer Lingus, Viva the susspended pilots - true courage. Hope for a resolution soon, because all this fighting is not helping anyone!
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Hi,
Interesting to read in today's Irish Times that Ryanair and Aer Lingus have diametrically opposite views on aspects of European Labour laws.
FR are appealing a decision of the French courts which rules that local French labour laws should apply to flight crews based at FR's Marseilles base. FR contends that since the planes are registered in Ireland then Irish labour laws should apply.
Aer lingus contend that local conditions etc should apply at any base outside Ireland. I guess the European Court of Justice will have to decide the issue.
Willby
Interesting to read in today's Irish Times that Ryanair and Aer Lingus have diametrically opposite views on aspects of European Labour laws.
FR are appealing a decision of the French courts which rules that local French labour laws should apply to flight crews based at FR's Marseilles base. FR contends that since the planes are registered in Ireland then Irish labour laws should apply.
Aer lingus contend that local conditions etc should apply at any base outside Ireland. I guess the European Court of Justice will have to decide the issue.
Willby
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For goodness sake all those who even think about joining the BFS base, think about what respect you will earn from the other pilots. You will have to sit there and always been known as the SCAB that closed the picket line.
DONT DO IT.
For goodness sake all those who even think about joining the BFS base, think about what respect you will earn from the other pilots. You will have to sit there and always been known as the SCAB that closed the picket line.
DONT DO IT.
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Looks like it all systems go again folks for recruitment in Aer Lingus after agreement seems to be reached between management and unions for the recruitment of future bases.
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As a result of settlement with Ialpa seniority will apply to the hiring of captains for Belfast i.e. Dublin based captains wishing to move to Belfast will be given priority on a seniority basis. If their requirement is not met then they will recruit on the open market. FO's will be recuited on the open market but Dublin based FO's can transfer under local t/c's. However, those transferring from Dublin will retain their defined benefit pension scheme while new recruits will have a defined contribution scheme.
Ialpa will have negotiating rights for belfast pilots but will not negotiate the original contract, only subsequent ones.
The above info from the Irish Times which is usually reliable.
Willby
Ialpa will have negotiating rights for belfast pilots but will not negotiate the original contract, only subsequent ones.
The above info from the Irish Times which is usually reliable.
Willby
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Just for the record Aer Lingus HR do not get back if you are unsuccessful also there is no feed back.
Have done interview and Sim check last spring and I have heard nothing yet.
If you pass interview and sim check you are called quickly for aptitude.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news ! but best of luck hope that you get a positive call.
Eolas
Have done interview and Sim check last spring and I have heard nothing yet.
If you pass interview and sim check you are called quickly for aptitude.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news ! but best of luck hope that you get a positive call.
Eolas
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Hi Eolas,
Quote: If you pass interview and sim check you are called quickly for aptitude.
Surely the sim check is left to last! Why go to the considerable expense of putting some one through the sim only to have them maybe fail the aptitude later on?
Looks:
There is already a priority pool for Dublin '08 which will be used to fill vacancies when new aircraft arrive early '08. I presume they will also use it to fill vacancies arising from any transfers to Belfast.
There is good information about the pool and further recruitment requirements for '08 and beyond on the Aer Lingus website.
Willby
Quote: If you pass interview and sim check you are called quickly for aptitude.
Surely the sim check is left to last! Why go to the considerable expense of putting some one through the sim only to have them maybe fail the aptitude later on?
Looks:
There is already a priority pool for Dublin '08 which will be used to fill vacancies when new aircraft arrive early '08. I presume they will also use it to fill vacancies arising from any transfers to Belfast.
There is good information about the pool and further recruitment requirements for '08 and beyond on the Aer Lingus website.
Willby
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Just got a phone call today from a very pleasant lady at aer lingus calling me for interview and psychometric testing for their bfs base. So it looks like they are moving again. Psychometric testing will take about 3 hours followed by an hour of interview. Interview will be duties of an f/o, questions on the company and then tech q's. Has anyone done this before? Any help would be appreciated as always. Esp. on the tech interview side of things.
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone has got any up to date information about what the situation in Aer Lingus recruitment is regarding the new Belfast base.
Are they still interviewing?
Have they offered any jobs to FO?
Thank for your responses.
Are they still interviewing?
Have they offered any jobs to FO?
Thank for your responses.
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You are all in for a very long wait! There are 20 of us in the hold pool! Don't worry . . . Patience is a virtue.
GOOD LUCK!!!
. . . The hold pool for Aer Lingus . . . I'm the really cool one at the end wearing sunglasses . . . Naturally!
GOOD LUCK!!!
. . . The hold pool for Aer Lingus . . . I'm the really cool one at the end wearing sunglasses . . . Naturally!