Beware: - Select Company who will treat you well!!
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Beware: - Select Company who will treat you well!!
My friend of over 15 yrs with Flybe as one of their most experienced Captains has been treated appallingly by the Company (blamed for things he is not guilty for/ stitched up)- they do not care if you have worked for them for many years - so those of you thinking of taking up sponsorship with them - THINK AGAIN!
This fact of how they treat their staff is well known to those workers in their employ (not outsiders) - and now to the BA Connect pilots - the majority of whom have new jobs or aree looking for new jobs.
I am totally disgusted by the way he has been treated and I know one or two other experienced pilots in the Company who are now actively looking for other jobs due directly to the way he has been, and is being, treated.
I know when you are knocking on doors with a new licence, that any airline will do - BUT please believe me - you have been warned!
This fact of how they treat their staff is well known to those workers in their employ (not outsiders) - and now to the BA Connect pilots - the majority of whom have new jobs or aree looking for new jobs.
I am totally disgusted by the way he has been treated and I know one or two other experienced pilots in the Company who are now actively looking for other jobs due directly to the way he has been, and is being, treated.
I know when you are knocking on doors with a new licence, that any airline will do - BUT please believe me - you have been warned!
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I think your post belsen (tho probably correct) will fall on deaf ears.
Flybe take low hours pilots straight from training and as long as they keep doing that, they will have a steady stream of applicants.
Turbobprop jobs will always be regarded as a stepping stone onto a jet job, and Flybe themselves know this - hence the poor treatment of its employees??
Flybe take low hours pilots straight from training and as long as they keep doing that, they will have a steady stream of applicants.
Turbobprop jobs will always be regarded as a stepping stone onto a jet job, and Flybe themselves know this - hence the poor treatment of its employees??
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As a commercial pilot of 7 years, I know that companies often don't treat you well. I've worked for some that have treated me badly.
Take a job, get your experience FIRST before you get picky. If you are low hours you are not valuable to many companies so take what you can, get out of the low hours bracket and then become a primo donna, not before.
Just a friendly word of caution.
Flybe, takes low hours. Be grateful they do!
Take a job, get your experience FIRST before you get picky. If you are low hours you are not valuable to many companies so take what you can, get out of the low hours bracket and then become a primo donna, not before.
Just a friendly word of caution.
Flybe, takes low hours. Be grateful they do!
Select Company who will treat you well
There's not many people in this the "wanabees" area that get to select which airline they work for.
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Agree ...................
Hey ya'all
You guys are totally right - Ive been an airline pilot for over 12 yrs - but this Company are exceptionally bad with how they treat their employees ..... if any of you 'wannabees' out there are offered jobs with ANY other airline ... go for it!!!
Trust me!
It is such a pity that airline pilots are treated without respect in general anymore - 30/40 yrs ago they were given total respect.
If you want a well paid job - go for accountancy or the legal profession!
You guys are totally right - Ive been an airline pilot for over 12 yrs - but this Company are exceptionally bad with how they treat their employees ..... if any of you 'wannabees' out there are offered jobs with ANY other airline ... go for it!!!
Trust me!
It is such a pity that airline pilots are treated without respect in general anymore - 30/40 yrs ago they were given total respect.
If you want a well paid job - go for accountancy or the legal profession!
but since we really don't know the cirumstances it's really hard to form an opinion 
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If I wanted a well paid job I would become a window cleaner.
Theoretically: If my house takes 6 minutes and allow 2 minutes between houses, so 7.5 houses an hour, 35 hours a week at £3.50 per house
£3.50x7.5= £26.25 hourly
£26.25x7= £183.75 daily
£183.75x5= £918.75 weekly.
Give yourself 3 weeks off a year and voila theres £45018 a year for a 35 hour week!! (And its obviously up to you what you tell the taxman
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Theoretically: If my house takes 6 minutes and allow 2 minutes between houses, so 7.5 houses an hour, 35 hours a week at £3.50 per house
£3.50x7.5= £26.25 hourly
£26.25x7= £183.75 daily
£183.75x5= £918.75 weekly.
Give yourself 3 weeks off a year and voila theres £45018 a year for a 35 hour week!! (And its obviously up to you what you tell the taxman
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£3.50? My window cleaner's charging £5.50 at present and I'm sure £6 isn't far away. Last time I saw him, he had a smart new van and I swear his shades were those ultra-light Maui Jims.
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eh?? ... get real!!
£3.50 ? .. £5.50? !!!! ...... where ya guys bin livin ........ here in the Jersey my house costs £25 for the windows ... normal size bungalow!!!??!
Flying is NOT the job to become well off!!
Been airline jet pilot (line trainer) for over 18yrs and if I started out again ... I would do another job totally!!
Anyway ..... ya all gettin way off the point!?! ... be talkin about flyin saucers next ...........
Flying is NOT the job to become well off!!
Been airline jet pilot (line trainer) for over 18yrs and if I started out again ... I would do another job totally!!
Anyway ..... ya all gettin way off the point!?! ... be talkin about flyin saucers next ...........
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It was said to me once that at the begining of your career in this industry, the only time that you have to make a decision regarding a job offer is if you have 2 job offers!
I'm sorry to hear about your friend, however I would imagine that 99 out of a 100 of us who are awaiting our first bite of the cherry would still jump at the chance of acheiving employment with Flybe.
I'm sorry to hear about your friend, however I would imagine that 99 out of a 100 of us who are awaiting our first bite of the cherry would still jump at the chance of acheiving employment with Flybe.
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You guys are totally right - Ive been an airline pilot for over 12 yrs
- but this Company are exceptionally bad with how they treat their employees...
Trust me!
It is such a pity that airline pilots are treated without respect...If you want a well paid job - go for accountancy or the legal profession!
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The thing is with stories like this is that there is always an underlying issue, whilst I am in no way judging belsen's friend, it is usually an employee who cannot get his own way, or they feel agrieved because they think they should have preferential treatment. I was a manager before I was made redundant, and alot of employees disliked one of my fellow managers, why? because he was on their backs ensuring they did the job that they were paid to do and they didn't like it, is that a crime? no, it's justice.
The problem with most employees is they feel their employer owes them a living, almost like the employer should be grateful for their service, well sorry it's the other way around. There isn't one company out there where every employee is happy, so just because an ex employee comes on here whining about the said company doesn't really tell a story. If it was a myriad of employees then people should be wary. But as has already been stated, 99.9% of wannabes are not in a position to be choosy, so quite frankly belsen, your quest to stop wannabes joining flybe is nonsensical
The problem with most employees is they feel their employer owes them a living, almost like the employer should be grateful for their service, well sorry it's the other way around. There isn't one company out there where every employee is happy, so just because an ex employee comes on here whining about the said company doesn't really tell a story. If it was a myriad of employees then people should be wary. But as has already been stated, 99.9% of wannabes are not in a position to be choosy, so quite frankly belsen, your quest to stop wannabes joining flybe is nonsensical
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Couple things ...... been with Flybe for 12 yrs ... airlines for just on 19 yrs .... know what I am talking about . I am fully qualified to say what I say believe me ... but can not say more due confidentiality etc.
Yes nonsensical as know that most newbies will work for practically nothing in the worst airline in the world ..... its a pity they don't - or wouldn't - know what I KNOW 100% about this Company. (usual adage that your parents advise and tell you mthings when you re young BUT you never listen and find out the hard way!)
In this case - and OTHERS - I know all about ..... the pilots concerned have been treated abysmally - and those words came from people VERY high up in other professions i.e legal etc
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Yes nonsensical as know that most newbies will work for practically nothing in the worst airline in the world ..... its a pity they don't - or wouldn't - know what I KNOW 100% about this Company. (usual adage that your parents advise and tell you mthings when you re young BUT you never listen and find out the hard way!)
In this case - and OTHERS - I know all about ..... the pilots concerned have been treated abysmally - and those words came from people VERY high up in other professions i.e legal etc
Happy Days
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Belsen. Couple of things. I've been with Flybe for almost as long as you so I can also say that I know what I'm talking about.
Your claim that Flybe is...
...is not only pathetic and misinformed, you need to get off that rock and see some of the world dear boy, but not worthy of a supposedly professional Line Trainer, with nearly two decades of experience, for whom maturity is a must.
What is it that you want to achieve? Flybe going under because they can't get anyone to work for them? If so you want to deny my right, and the right of hundreds of other people, to work for whom I choose. Why? I can make my own mind up thank you very much and thankfully, it seems, so can all the guys looking for that first job.
Now be a good boy, put your toys back in your pram and when your Mummy puts you to bed tonight ask her what free choice means.
Your claim that Flybe is...
the worst airline in the world
What is it that you want to achieve? Flybe going under because they can't get anyone to work for them? If so you want to deny my right, and the right of hundreds of other people, to work for whom I choose. Why? I can make my own mind up thank you very much and thankfully, it seems, so can all the guys looking for that first job.
Now be a good boy, put your toys back in your pram and when your Mummy puts you to bed tonight ask her what free choice means.
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Chesty,
In belsens's defence, I don't believe he was referring to Flybe as "the worst airline in the world".
What I think he was saying is that there are newbies/wannabes out there who will work for such an airline and be treated like a complete piece of sh*t. I happen to agree with him on that one, and as for working for free, well I've met such people over the years who have openly told me they would work for me. When I look at them in disgust and say you've got to be joking they backtracked slightly and said 'well at least hav emy expenses paid for !!
I think what belsen was thus aluding to is that whilst there are a ready supply of such people some airlines take advantage of this and the net effect is the chronic erosion of T&C's. Hence, the shoddy treatment (perceived or otherwise) of one of his (and yours) colleagues !
In belsens's defence, I don't believe he was referring to Flybe as "the worst airline in the world".
What I think he was saying is that there are newbies/wannabes out there who will work for such an airline and be treated like a complete piece of sh*t. I happen to agree with him on that one, and as for working for free, well I've met such people over the years who have openly told me they would work for me. When I look at them in disgust and say you've got to be joking they backtracked slightly and said 'well at least hav emy expenses paid for !!
I think what belsen was thus aluding to is that whilst there are a ready supply of such people some airlines take advantage of this and the net effect is the chronic erosion of T&C's. Hence, the shoddy treatment (perceived or otherwise) of one of his (and yours) colleagues !