Aer Arann Type Rating....
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Aer Arann Type Rating....
Hi all I was talking to a guy there recently who was offered a place with Aer Arann but they wanted 25K for the type rating !!! Can anyone out there verify this for me,, Surely if the company is that bad to work for you wouldn’t find many new F/O’s heading that way,, especially when Ryanair is only 3 grand dearer,,, still not a bad place for a newbie to park his ass for 12 months or so if he got it for free,, id rather be up the 28K,, and for that your not exactly flying for mother Teresa either,,, any and all thoughts, comments welcome,, Cheers
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That's what I heard, as well. Don't bother...You should not pay for a TP TR, these days. And if the market doesn't change much, you'll get the TR with RYR for free, soon. I believe we can conclude the market is really peaking now. 
Hi all
With respect, I agree that E26K is too much to pay for an ATR TR via the company, but at least an Arann FO gets a decent wage from Day 1, unlike the other shower.I doubt if any turbo operator in the UK is paying E40K in year 1.Clearly you have forgotten the UK turbo operators who regarded £9k as a genuine viable wage for an FO as the norm.This was long before Ryanair ever appeared.I suggest you look closer at the local wage environment before slagging off anyone elses.
The worst aspect of Arann work is the roster, which is routinely running to six on, one off, five on, two off,etc. Service in Arann is a good grounding for future work, as every graduate of the place will willingly tell you.
regards
TDD
PS: I'd love to fly for RE but I don't have E26k to burn and they are not going to recruit anyone who hasn't got it.
With respect, I agree that E26K is too much to pay for an ATR TR via the company, but at least an Arann FO gets a decent wage from Day 1, unlike the other shower.I doubt if any turbo operator in the UK is paying E40K in year 1.Clearly you have forgotten the UK turbo operators who regarded £9k as a genuine viable wage for an FO as the norm.This was long before Ryanair ever appeared.I suggest you look closer at the local wage environment before slagging off anyone elses.
The worst aspect of Arann work is the roster, which is routinely running to six on, one off, five on, two off,etc. Service in Arann is a good grounding for future work, as every graduate of the place will willingly tell you.
regards
TDD
PS: I'd love to fly for RE but I don't have E26k to burn and they are not going to recruit anyone who hasn't got it.
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With regards to you VFE you should check out facts first it is not as in your words Irish Chancers none of the type rating fee go to aer arann,the only thing they get is a type rated pilot i take it you must deal with a lot of chancers,but not everyone are.Slan
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I total agree with you two dead dogs, there are no hidden costs in the training wit aer arann the 25k includes hotel flights to sim, uniform, all study mateial, all paper work and applications and id's unlike fr. as you have already said you get paid from day one which is always nice. I think to many people dismiss the idea of flying turbo props as they are not jets and seem to think that are not worth while flying, I am a low hour guy, i just turned 22 and i am just starting on turbo props i have time on my side and could have flown with ryanair but chose turbo props so i could fully learn my trade and get some good experience that will hopefully lead to a jet job in the future and plus when you look at the figures it makes much more sense to go with RE, its all a waiting game im doing what I love and im very happy where I am and the plane im on. i just think too many people are influenced by big shiny jetitis and dismiss turbo props as they are apparently coke cans with wings! but sure then again they're loss is alot of guys gain.
safe flying
winggeek
p.s. VFE sure'nt all the irish chancers to be sure to be sure, is that not why we get all the lassies, oh and always beat you in rugby?!?!?!?
slan go foill
safe flying
winggeek
p.s. VFE sure'nt all the irish chancers to be sure to be sure, is that not why we get all the lassies, oh and always beat you in rugby?!?!?!?
slan go foill
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Well that lit the touchpaper didnt it! ;} Just a bit of banter guys, but yanno that anyway right? ("for sure").
Ignore me - I'm just of an age that struggles to comprehend the moral rights of paying a companys training costs for them but I don't wanna thread creep so we'll leave it at that methinks.
VFE.
Ignore me - I'm just of an age that struggles to comprehend the moral rights of paying a companys training costs for them but I don't wanna thread creep so we'll leave it at that methinks.
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Ryanair Truth!
Aer Arann is far superior in treating their employees.
Aer Arann as Wingeek said is 25k EURO! Which does pay for it all.
Now on the other hand: After personally speaking to Ryanair recruitment and FO's flying with Ryanair...they told me this:
1)
Type Rating: 31,000 Euro!
Duration 4-6 weeks: without pay, accomodation.
Flight are paid for as you can jump seat to SAS.
Accomodation and living is expensive there!
2)
Line Training: 6-8 Weeks:
No Sector pay, and 1100 Euro per Month when On Line.
You can expect to fly from multiple locations, so YOU will have to find your own way to the 'airport of choice' that Ryanair what you to fly from inc. accomodation for overnights!
3)
Line Training Completed:
Half sector pay for the first 3 months.
Salary: avg. 2100 Euro per Month.
You will have a base allocated to you by now.
4)
Finally: Full Sector Pay:
Salary: 3100 - 3600 Euro Per Month.
5)
Hidden Costs:
E4.50 per hour is taken from your wages EVERY HOUR you work:
Reason: So every 6 months, you have effectively paid for your Currency Check yourself...Scabby!
All Medicals, IDs, Backround checks, Licence Renewals, Paperwork processing etc. is paid by you every year forever!
Ryanair only pay Block-to-Block Salary:
Meaning: e.g Flight from A to B (Block time: 4hrs) and enroute you get delayed x amount of time OR diverted to somewhere else that also takes x number of hours...you WILL not be paid the overtime.. only the 4 HOURS!
So Aer Arann...25K dont sound to bad now. Type rating is 4 weeks not 8 weeks.
Accomodation Paid for!
Line Training: Full Sector pay!
Net: avg E3200-3500!
Licences, Medicals, IDs, etc etc..all paid for..as they should be.
No block to block payment only!
Finally: No POLITICS!! wanna be treated like crap...well you damn well will pay for it with Ryanair..
So can you afford to be living on the Breadline for:
TR(2 Months) + Line(2 Months) + half sector(3 Months)
7 MONTHS: before you can start paying off 31K + ALL the extras you spent on LIVING / ACCOMODATION...which could be 10-15K...
No thanks!
Aer Arann as Wingeek said is 25k EURO! Which does pay for it all.
Now on the other hand: After personally speaking to Ryanair recruitment and FO's flying with Ryanair...they told me this:
1)
Type Rating: 31,000 Euro!
Duration 4-6 weeks: without pay, accomodation.
Flight are paid for as you can jump seat to SAS.
Accomodation and living is expensive there!
2)
Line Training: 6-8 Weeks:
No Sector pay, and 1100 Euro per Month when On Line.
You can expect to fly from multiple locations, so YOU will have to find your own way to the 'airport of choice' that Ryanair what you to fly from inc. accomodation for overnights!
3)
Line Training Completed:
Half sector pay for the first 3 months.
Salary: avg. 2100 Euro per Month.
You will have a base allocated to you by now.
4)
Finally: Full Sector Pay:
Salary: 3100 - 3600 Euro Per Month.
5)
Hidden Costs:
E4.50 per hour is taken from your wages EVERY HOUR you work:
Reason: So every 6 months, you have effectively paid for your Currency Check yourself...Scabby!
All Medicals, IDs, Backround checks, Licence Renewals, Paperwork processing etc. is paid by you every year forever!
Ryanair only pay Block-to-Block Salary:
Meaning: e.g Flight from A to B (Block time: 4hrs) and enroute you get delayed x amount of time OR diverted to somewhere else that also takes x number of hours...you WILL not be paid the overtime.. only the 4 HOURS!
So Aer Arann...25K dont sound to bad now. Type rating is 4 weeks not 8 weeks.
Accomodation Paid for!
Line Training: Full Sector pay!
Net: avg E3200-3500!
Licences, Medicals, IDs, etc etc..all paid for..as they should be.
No block to block payment only!
Finally: No POLITICS!! wanna be treated like crap...well you damn well will pay for it with Ryanair..
So can you afford to be living on the Breadline for:
TR(2 Months) + Line(2 Months) + half sector(3 Months)
7 MONTHS: before you can start paying off 31K + ALL the extras you spent on LIVING / ACCOMODATION...which could be 10-15K...
No thanks!
I REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE
TDD,
I doubt if any turbo operator in the UK is paying E40K in year 1.
The largest TP operator in the UK pays more than that in year 1, and furthermore doesn't make people pay for their type ratings (and on a larger aircraft). Get your facts straight, nobody benefits from your unqualified opinions.
sr
I doubt if any turbo operator in the UK is paying E40K in year 1.
The largest TP operator in the UK pays more than that in year 1, and furthermore doesn't make people pay for their type ratings (and on a larger aircraft). Get your facts straight, nobody benefits from your unqualified opinions.
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I think if you read closer you will find it says "I DOUBT ( doubt being the major word here ) if any turbo operator in the UK is paying E40K in year 1. that sounds more like an opinion more so than a fact wouldnt you say. Im sure if TDD knew it was fact he would have said "No uk operator pays E40K in year one", but then again thats my unqualified opinion!
p.s. I would imagine ( "i would imagine" another case of opinion not fact ) TDD's post was more benifit to many more than your one wouldnt you say in your qualified opinion?!?!?
p.s.s flatliner couldnt agree more im very glad i didnt go to FR aswell. go on the Aer Arann ya gud thing!
I think if you read closer you will find it says "I DOUBT ( doubt being the major word here ) if any turbo operator in the UK is paying E40K in year 1. that sounds more like an opinion more so than a fact wouldnt you say. Im sure if TDD knew it was fact he would have said "No uk operator pays E40K in year one", but then again thats my unqualified opinion!
p.s. I would imagine ( "i would imagine" another case of opinion not fact ) TDD's post was more benifit to many more than your one wouldnt you say in your qualified opinion?!?!?
p.s.s flatliner couldnt agree more im very glad i didnt go to FR aswell. go on the Aer Arann ya gud thing!
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E45K First year by the way and E15K of your type rating money back if you stay a couple of years .
From people I have spoken to most guys leave before the 5 years anyway which makes it all a bit of a moot point. Usual stepping stone onto bigger shinier things. From mates that are/have been there the future looks orange.
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well never was there more true words said howsmyflying. I wonder if my future is mango? maybe lylac who knows. Maybe it might be green and ill get two pairs of shoes with my uniform and a belt aswell such perks! The dublin base is in demand with usually 5-10 on a waiting list next galway usually 2-4 followed by cork 2-4 then waterford 1-2 and then the least liked base seems to be isle of man. most fo's get put ob isle of man first as flat liner said and when the next set of fo's come through usually 6-8 weeks you will get moved on. but then again you might not get sent to the rock but thats usually only through divine intervention isnt that right 1800-howsmyflying!
I REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE
Winggeek, not wishing to hijack thread but my point was that no information is preferable to fabricated or inaccurate information.
sr
(p.s. "unqualified opinions" refers not to TDD's qualifications but to his/her opinions being qualified with fact).
sr
(p.s. "unqualified opinions" refers not to TDD's qualifications but to his/her opinions being qualified with fact).
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I think the ole paddies are taking the piss to be honest. I was asked to pay for a check ride for a job as a lowly flying instructor at a school not far from Dublin last year. Oh, and if "successful" was then able to give them 4 hours worth of solo time in one of their "fleet" of C152's to get used to the local area before being set aside in their "pool" before finally being set free with their trial lesson punters on 20E/ hour and no retainer.
As yer can imagine......... I rushed at that one.
Either they're daft or I am. And I know I'm not.
VFE.
As yer can imagine......... I rushed at that one.
Either they're daft or I am. And I know I'm not.
VFE.