Randhem Aviation and the Jet Airways sponsorship
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Randhem Aviation and the Jet Airways sponsorship
Rumour control.
Randhem aviation has announced a deadline to receive payment from Jet Airways for training costs incurred to date.
Basically by the end of Monday 11th, all flight training for Jet Airways might be put on hold. And students sent home.
Jet Airways, if you reading this. Please tell us what’s going on!!!!
Randhem aviation has announced a deadline to receive payment from Jet Airways for training costs incurred to date.
Basically by the end of Monday 11th, all flight training for Jet Airways might be put on hold. And students sent home.
Jet Airways, if you reading this. Please tell us what’s going on!!!!
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I checked their website and it seems that they are not hiring anymore for jetairways!!! Poor those guys that paid 30000 Euros for a FO job (Type rating and line training)!!
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From my understanding noone of the students has lost any money yet(apart from the deposit ofcourse but i believe they should return this money in case they stop the training completely)
It is still very annoying even if you dont lose money,its like u are about to make ur dream come true and then suddenly everything falls apart.
It is still very annoying even if you dont lose money,its like u are about to make ur dream come true and then suddenly everything falls apart.
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Well the situation is:
We have only paid a 5000 euro deposit.
They have paid for:
1, Return flights to Miami
2, Hotel for our stay in Miami
3, 737 Classic and NG type rating sim time (inc our check ride)
(my guess, Randhem are out of pocket!)
For all those who are thinking they are starting on this deal. I would give Randhem a call..
Guys that are out in Miami, are you continuing your training??
We have only paid a 5000 euro deposit.
They have paid for:
1, Return flights to Miami
2, Hotel for our stay in Miami
3, 737 Classic and NG type rating sim time (inc our check ride)
(my guess, Randhem are out of pocket!)
For all those who are thinking they are starting on this deal. I would give Randhem a call..
Guys that are out in Miami, are you continuing your training??
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Just received that email:
Dear pilots,
There are some rumors out there and we need to straighten them out.
We are a TRTO (Type Rating Training Organization) and in this case the training provider for Jet Airways.
If a customer refuses to pay we have to remove him/her from training.
We have not received the payment for a large number of Jet Airways pilots and that is the reason your training is put on hold.
This is not the first time Jet Airways are late with the payment but we cannot act bank.
We have however no indications from Jet Airways that the program will be canceled.
50 pilots are for the moment affected, but please be patient.
Remember that your contract with Jet Airways is still valid.
There is two options.
1. Wait and see if we receive the payment from Jet Airways.
2. Self fund the training, the cost will be the same as in your contract minus the deposit of 5000 Euro, travel and accommodation is not included.
You are free to contact us for a down payment of the training.
If you recently paid the deposit, there is a chance we have not received your contract from Jet Airways yet.
Talk to Alexander Ottosson.
Pilots under line training or just starting will continue the training as planned.
Kind regards,
Johannes Berglund
Sales Europe
Randhem Aviation
Lilla Bommen 1
411 04 Gothenburg
SWEDEN
Phone: +46 (0)31 301 1165
Fax: +46 (0)31 80 20 90
[email protected]
www.randhem.com
There are some rumors out there and we need to straighten them out.
We are a TRTO (Type Rating Training Organization) and in this case the training provider for Jet Airways.
If a customer refuses to pay we have to remove him/her from training.
We have not received the payment for a large number of Jet Airways pilots and that is the reason your training is put on hold.
This is not the first time Jet Airways are late with the payment but we cannot act bank.
We have however no indications from Jet Airways that the program will be canceled.
50 pilots are for the moment affected, but please be patient.
Remember that your contract with Jet Airways is still valid.
There is two options.
1. Wait and see if we receive the payment from Jet Airways.
2. Self fund the training, the cost will be the same as in your contract minus the deposit of 5000 Euro, travel and accommodation is not included.
You are free to contact us for a down payment of the training.
If you recently paid the deposit, there is a chance we have not received your contract from Jet Airways yet.
Talk to Alexander Ottosson.
Pilots under line training or just starting will continue the training as planned.
Kind regards,
Johannes Berglund
Sales Europe
Randhem Aviation
Lilla Bommen 1
411 04 Gothenburg
SWEDEN
Phone: +46 (0)31 301 1165
Fax: +46 (0)31 80 20 90
[email protected]
www.randhem.com
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Some questions still remain unanswered though:
Because the contract as is says:
-$3000 net
-housing is not announced in the contract.
-Nothing on the roster.
"Leave according to law" which means:
52 weeks, 6 days ON, 1 day off, with 4 weeks vacation after a year.
-3 years at those conditions, otherwise you have to pay the pro rata AND you lose your 5000€!!
ACCOMODATION:
-Where? which area? Address?
-Size? (m²)
-Air Conditionning?
-Is there security? Guarded building?
-Who pays the bills? Water, electricity, Gaz, Phone (required by the
company)?
-Can we get to chose our roommate?
-Can we get the 1800$ if we don't take the provided accomodation, in order
to get an accomodation on our own like on the other pilots contracts?
-In that case, is the transportation still included?
-Is the appartment furnished? In that case, what is included? (details)
-What will be the overall rating of the accomodation compared to a hotel?
(2, 3, 4 stars?)
-Why is the accomodation not specified in the contract??
-We would like it to be added to the contract.
WORK CONDITIONS:
-Roster? How many weeks ON and weeks OFF?
-How many hours?
-Is overtime paid extra?
-Company travel, who gets it? Wife, Fiancé (not everyone is married), Kids,
Parents? From when? Jet Airways only, or other airlines as well?
-Health insurance covers our expenses up to what amount? what is included in
it?
-Do we get an indian VALIDATION or LICENCE?
=if validation: our JAA licence has to remain current which means
JAA medical, JAA recurrent training and prof check with
an approved JAA TRE.
=if licence: who takes care of the licence conversion?
are there any tests to take?
what about the indian medical?
-Is there a simulator assessment upon arrival to India?
-Would we get to request another base?
-Is it required to by our own Jeppessen? how much does it cost? (Randhem
told us the company will provide it for free)
-Do we get the opportunity to get an upgrade to captain position or long
haul fleet? (a phone call to the ops manager in the UK told us that there
was a possibility for a 777 upgrade after 2 years)
-When do we start to get paid?
SALARY:
-Is the the salary tax free? in that case how much is tax?
-Is it taken directly from our paycheck?
-Where do we get paid? in what currency?
-Do we get a raise to Senior First Officer salary after doing our
proficiency check as Junior First Officer?
=in that case, F/O prof check is after how much time?
-Where? which area? Address?
-Size? (m²)
-Air Conditionning?
-Is there security? Guarded building?
-Who pays the bills? Water, electricity, Gaz, Phone (required by the
company)?
-Can we get to chose our roommate?
-Can we get the 1800$ if we don't take the provided accomodation, in order
to get an accomodation on our own like on the other pilots contracts?
-In that case, is the transportation still included?
-Is the appartment furnished? In that case, what is included? (details)
-What will be the overall rating of the accomodation compared to a hotel?
(2, 3, 4 stars?)
-Why is the accomodation not specified in the contract??
-We would like it to be added to the contract.
WORK CONDITIONS:
-Roster? How many weeks ON and weeks OFF?
-How many hours?
-Is overtime paid extra?
-Company travel, who gets it? Wife, Fiancé (not everyone is married), Kids,
Parents? From when? Jet Airways only, or other airlines as well?
-Health insurance covers our expenses up to what amount? what is included in
it?
-Do we get an indian VALIDATION or LICENCE?
=if validation: our JAA licence has to remain current which means
JAA medical, JAA recurrent training and prof check with
an approved JAA TRE.
=if licence: who takes care of the licence conversion?
are there any tests to take?
what about the indian medical?
-Is there a simulator assessment upon arrival to India?
-Would we get to request another base?
-Is it required to by our own Jeppessen? how much does it cost? (Randhem
told us the company will provide it for free)
-Do we get the opportunity to get an upgrade to captain position or long
haul fleet? (a phone call to the ops manager in the UK told us that there
was a possibility for a 777 upgrade after 2 years)
-When do we start to get paid?
SALARY:
-Is the the salary tax free? in that case how much is tax?
-Is it taken directly from our paycheck?
-Where do we get paid? in what currency?
-Do we get a raise to Senior First Officer salary after doing our
proficiency check as Junior First Officer?
=in that case, F/O prof check is after how much time?
Because the contract as is says:
-$3000 net
-housing is not announced in the contract.
-Nothing on the roster.
"Leave according to law" which means:
52 weeks, 6 days ON, 1 day off, with 4 weeks vacation after a year.
-3 years at those conditions, otherwise you have to pay the pro rata AND you lose your 5000€!!
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Amazing how 2 so called international companies can get into such a mess...( and so publicly as well!) but then again if they had answered the questions in the first place, things might not haven turned out like this!!!
They couldnt organize a piss up in a brewery!!!
A 2 year old has more organizational skills than this lot put together. (excuse the truth!)
WELL DONE!!!
They couldnt organize a piss up in a brewery!!! A 2 year old has more organizational skills than this lot put together. (excuse the truth!)
WELL DONE!!!
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Rumours
"There are some rumors out there and we need to straighten them out."
As a matter of courtesy to the 50 of us, please keep us informed as we have more than a little invested in this. Even if it is to point out that you are continuing your efforts and will let us know more as soon as you have the information.
I'm looking forward to a positive outcome or my money back.
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There is a lot of things unanswered but lets wait and see,i hope there will be a positive outcome.
At the moment it seems that we cant do nothing but wait,asking the 5000 euros back is not going to solve the problem for most of us(definetely thats not a solution for me,i have already resigned from my job and at the moment every day that goes by i am losing money,so its a lot more than 5000!)
Just curious,how long Randhem has been training pilots for Jet Airways,anyone knows?
At the moment it seems that we cant do nothing but wait,asking the 5000 euros back is not going to solve the problem for most of us(definetely thats not a solution for me,i have already resigned from my job and at the moment every day that goes by i am losing money,so its a lot more than 5000!)
Just curious,how long Randhem has been training pilots for Jet Airways,anyone knows?
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From what I know, we're talking around 20.
The first group is finishing Line Training in Bratislava.
The other courses were booked to come at a rythm of 1 every 2 weeks with around 4 to 6 pilots per group.
Last course was schedued to first days of September.
The first group is finishing Line Training in Bratislava.
The other courses were booked to come at a rythm of 1 every 2 weeks with around 4 to 6 pilots per group.
Last course was schedued to first days of September.
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Only 5000 EUR?!?
How obout this:
DEPOSIT: 5000 EUR (6600 USD)
TSA: 130 USD
Finger prints: 170 USD
Vaccination: 250 USD
Loss of income due to traing (three month): 9000 USD (taxed)
Licence: 200 USD
The extra costs of living during the training: 1000 USD
Travel to and from base check: 100 USD
Some 17450 USD!!! ( this does not include 1-2 month of line training)
....and all the trouble that comes with the delay......
Free type rating
Have a good day!
DEPOSIT: 5000 EUR (6600 USD)
TSA: 130 USD
Finger prints: 170 USD
Vaccination: 250 USD
Loss of income due to traing (three month): 9000 USD (taxed)
Licence: 200 USD
The extra costs of living during the training: 1000 USD
Travel to and from base check: 100 USD
Some 17450 USD!!!
( this does not include 1-2 month of line training)....and all the trouble that comes with the delay......
Free type rating
Have a good day!
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Dear Pilots,
We have received a lot of questions and we understand your concerns.
You have signed a contract with Jet Airways and they are the one you should talk to in this issue.
We have received a lot of questions and we understand your concerns.
You have signed a contract with Jet Airways and they are the one you should talk to in this issue.
Very nice!
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They are right that we have the contract from Jet Airways but i have the feeling that if we talked to Jet Airways they would probably say the same thing 'talk to Randhem'! Basically they would say it is Randhem that did the interviews and hiring,they are the ones who invited u for the screening,responded positively,invited you for training ,made you resign from your jobs and now freeze the training,so just solve the problem with them!
Basically it is a problem between Randhem and Jet Airways and even though we are involved we cant do much about it,the only choice we have is either wait and hope it is going to work out soon or ask the 5000 euros back,accept the other losses and hope to get another job soon.
Basically it is a problem between Randhem and Jet Airways and even though we are involved we cant do much about it,the only choice we have is either wait and hope it is going to work out soon or ask the 5000 euros back,accept the other losses and hope to get another job soon.
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Indian FO position
Guys,
Just wanted to let you guys know that Jetairways is no the only one that canceld expad FO's. I was suppose to go to IndiGO myself as a first officer on A320 and I just recieved an e-mail from IndiGo that my security clearance and application has been on hold (pretty much canceld). The reasone is that the last DGCA exam in India more than 1500 indian FO passed their exams. So Indian airlines are fed up with FO,,, THEY HAVE PLENTY AT THE MOMENT,,, the don't need expads. If you are captain you are still golding!!!!
Good luck getting your money back!!!
Just wanted to let you guys know that Jetairways is no the only one that canceld expad FO's. I was suppose to go to IndiGO myself as a first officer on A320 and I just recieved an e-mail from IndiGo that my security clearance and application has been on hold (pretty much canceld). The reasone is that the last DGCA exam in India more than 1500 indian FO passed their exams. So Indian airlines are fed up with FO,,, THEY HAVE PLENTY AT THE MOMENT,,, the don't need expads. If you are captain you are still golding!!!!
Good luck getting your money back!!!
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off topic -
Randhem Aviation,
sorry to hijack the thread but I applied a week ago through the website for the A320 type rating and received no response - can you please PM me to ensure you got my info.
sorry to hijack the thread but I applied a week ago through the website for the A320 type rating and received no response - can you please PM me to ensure you got my info.
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Most of the recruitment agencies are still hiring A LOT of expat F/O's.
If 1500 indians have got their ATPL, good for them.
It's another story to get to the cockpit.
They are not done yet.
Training takes time.
Anyway, let's try to remain positive.
Because, being realistic, if the story between JA and Randhem is not solved, the latter will go OUT of business.
So, nobody is gonna see their 5k€ back.
If 1500 indians have got their ATPL, good for them.
It's another story to get to the cockpit.
They are not done yet.
Training takes time.
Anyway, let's try to remain positive.
Because, being realistic, if the story between JA and Randhem is not solved, the latter will go OUT of business.
So, nobody is gonna see their 5k€ back.
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Maybe we should set a time limit and after that ask our money back before its too late??
According to Randhem they would try to solve this matter hopefully 'soon',but how soon is 'soon'?
According to Randhem they would try to solve this matter hopefully 'soon',but how soon is 'soon'?
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Far from wishing to appear optimistic on this forum of doom and shattering the culture pessimism, Randhem Aviation have their reputation and future credibility at stake depending on the successful resolution of this whole issue. I think it's fair to assume that they are as keen as the 'Randhem 50' to get the whole project back on track and resolved amicably. On that note:
The following article may be 'old news' but probably sheds light on the delayed payments which have postponed our training.
They sound to me like they need pilots and probably not exclusively made up of the 1500 fresh graduates who'll clog up their training facilities with the 'additional' training they'll need.
My guess is a few nervous executives wondering where they're going to get the money to finance this bold strategy. We represent the soft option when it comes to short term savings whereby they can re-assess their cashflow. However, as sure as the sun rises in the morning and sets in the evening, they'll need pilots again........... and very soon.
I know this doesn't help pay the bills or ease that nervous twitch you've developed since hearing your training is on hold but what do you think?
The following article may be 'old news' but probably sheds light on the delayed payments which have postponed our training.
By Indian Express
Monday May 14, 02:48 AM
Flying high with its recent acquisition of Air Sahara, and decked in its new livery, Jet Airways today announced that it was mulling a $400-million rights issue.
"We are looking at a $400-million rights issue to fund our expansion plans," said Jet Airways chairman Naresh Goyal, at an event to showcase the airline's mint fresh Airbus 330-200 and Boeing 777-300ER. To fund its fleet acquisition plans and other capital projects, Goyal said he expected the same to conclude within four months.
The airline estimates that it would "require something north of $50 million" to turnaround JetLite, as Air Sahara has now been re-christened. "However, we are still evaluating the modalities of the same," said board member Vic Dungca.
The airline is also on track with plans to launch a dedicated cargo airline by the year-end. "At the moment we are handling about 6 per cent cargo," said Goyal. The airline aims to increase revenues from this stream to 10 per cent of revenue in 2007-08.
Monday May 14, 02:48 AM
Flying high with its recent acquisition of Air Sahara, and decked in its new livery, Jet Airways today announced that it was mulling a $400-million rights issue.
"We are looking at a $400-million rights issue to fund our expansion plans," said Jet Airways chairman Naresh Goyal, at an event to showcase the airline's mint fresh Airbus 330-200 and Boeing 777-300ER. To fund its fleet acquisition plans and other capital projects, Goyal said he expected the same to conclude within four months.
The airline estimates that it would "require something north of $50 million" to turnaround JetLite, as Air Sahara has now been re-christened. "However, we are still evaluating the modalities of the same," said board member Vic Dungca.
The airline is also on track with plans to launch a dedicated cargo airline by the year-end. "At the moment we are handling about 6 per cent cargo," said Goyal. The airline aims to increase revenues from this stream to 10 per cent of revenue in 2007-08.
They sound to me like they need pilots and probably not exclusively made up of the 1500 fresh graduates who'll clog up their training facilities with the 'additional' training they'll need.
My guess is a few nervous executives wondering where they're going to get the money to finance this bold strategy. We represent the soft option when it comes to short term savings whereby they can re-assess their cashflow. However, as sure as the sun rises in the morning and sets in the evening, they'll need pilots again........... and very soon.
I know this doesn't help pay the bills or ease that nervous twitch you've developed since hearing your training is on hold but what do you think?
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