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Hi colt.sivers
I am invited for the innsbruck selection on the 20-21st aug. I can see you are going on the 13-14th...
could you please update me on how it was and the rest..
coz start getting abit nervious from reading everyones comments.. seems HARDDD!!!
Thanks!!
Good luck man!!!!
I am invited for the innsbruck selection on the 20-21st aug. I can see you are going on the 13-14th...
could you please update me on how it was and the rest..
coz start getting abit nervious from reading everyones comments.. seems HARDDD!!!
Thanks!!
Good luck man!!!!
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August, 13th and 14th
Hi all,
Here is the story of my sel in Innsbruck on the 13th and 14th of August.
First of all, don't worry if you don't speak German... it's not needed ! However, successful candidates have to learn it and prove their proficiency after one year.
My group counted 10 candidates (Most of them came from Holland). A parallel group counted 10 people, applying through CAE. This group had already passed a sim ride and the theoretical test.
The program for direct applicants was as follows:
1st morning - 8:00: Theoretical ATPL test... 100 questions to deal with in 2h30. The questions were not so tricky though 3 people didn't make it (All of them were already working as pilots and aged between 30 and 40).
1st morning - 12:00: Results of the morning test. All the candidates are given a small folded paper with the results and the invitation for the next step of the sel when positive.
1st afternoon - 14:00: Psychological test. This part is the most selective of the whole sel. It's quite a tough and long afternoon. All the tests are run on computers. They consist of "what's next" exercises, calculations, orientation, reaction, etc. All the test are time limited and you have to be quick and efficient during all the afternoon. Only the explanations of each exercise are not time limited. I used them to relax and I finished the last one of the 7 candidates. During the afternoon, you also have to attend an interview with the famous "doctor Morawetz" (have you ever had any "near death experience", tell me about your parents, etc.). He has a reputation, but don't worry, be yourself... he even wanted me to talk to him in French! I didn't train for any exercises as I didn't know what to expect. It's quite similar to DLR, AF cadets or ENAC tests, though. Some things are a bit surprising, be open minded: some tests appear without any explanation of what you have to do; you have to remember your candidate number during the whole sel and it's asked at each new test;...
2nd morning: The results of the tests are given only to the successful candidates, by phone, between 7:30 and 8:00 am. You have to be dressed and ready for the next stage, which can start at as early as 8h15! Only 2 of the 7 candidates received the call. I was asked to attend the single pilot sim ride at 8:30. The profile was quite easy (no need to reset the radio aids if the sdby frequencies are set properly prior to TO). Weather: 5000 m horizontal visibility, 700 ft OVC, wind calm. Departure clearance: 5000 ft according to a SID (STUTTGART airport, RWY 25). Then NDB DME approach, go around, radar vectoring to an ILS approach and landing. Period. The profile is explained clearly by the instructor before the test and he gives you 10 min to think about the plates. Then he explains how the procedure trainer works and you start whenever you want. The simplified C/L is displayed in front of you. The plane is similar to a PA34 but it works as a SEP as you don't have any failure during the test. The plane is very unstable and you don't get any force feedback so it's very difficult to fly properly (you can't trim the ailerons and I had to keep my control column to the left during the entire flight so as to keep level wings). They focus on the profile you fly so never give up! After the landing the instructor asked me how I found my performance. I thought it was pretty poor but he was quite happy about what I did and told me the assessment was positive.
2nd afternoon: Both the Dutch guy and me passed the sim and reached the final interview. I had hardly prepared the whole selection because of the very late notice (less than 2 weeks prior to the sel date) and thought it would be a nice (and free as they pay for flights and hotel) chance to acquire a new experience... and tackled the selection pretty relaxed. However, reaching the end of the process brought some pressure and I didn't enter the interview room with such a detachment. Soon, I was surprised by the way the interview took. They hardly asked me any question about my motivation to work for them, the fact I didn't speak German, etc. They focused on some "cases»: The first one was "You are flying one of your first flight with us, you have forgotten your licence and no standby pilot is available, what do you do? ». The second case was "You saw your captain at the bar drinking heavily a few hours before the flight. What do you do? ». More about that on the "interview questions from hell" topic.... They pushed me hard and eventually, I left the room pretty confused and thought that was dead... which was confirmed 20 min later by the phone call they asked me to give. I felt a bit disappointed by these pretty virtual and out of human context cases... but they were part of the sel and I failed to convince them. Shame on me!
Good luck to any futur candidates !
David /
PS : As far as I know, 4 people applying through CAE passed the psychological test, and 2 of them were hired. One of them has alreday started yesterday in Madrid !
PPS : I wish the Dutch guy of my group made it... I would be glad to know !
Here is the story of my sel in Innsbruck on the 13th and 14th of August.
First of all, don't worry if you don't speak German... it's not needed ! However, successful candidates have to learn it and prove their proficiency after one year.
My group counted 10 candidates (Most of them came from Holland). A parallel group counted 10 people, applying through CAE. This group had already passed a sim ride and the theoretical test.
The program for direct applicants was as follows:
1st morning - 8:00: Theoretical ATPL test... 100 questions to deal with in 2h30. The questions were not so tricky though 3 people didn't make it (All of them were already working as pilots and aged between 30 and 40).
1st morning - 12:00: Results of the morning test. All the candidates are given a small folded paper with the results and the invitation for the next step of the sel when positive.
1st afternoon - 14:00: Psychological test. This part is the most selective of the whole sel. It's quite a tough and long afternoon. All the tests are run on computers. They consist of "what's next" exercises, calculations, orientation, reaction, etc. All the test are time limited and you have to be quick and efficient during all the afternoon. Only the explanations of each exercise are not time limited. I used them to relax and I finished the last one of the 7 candidates. During the afternoon, you also have to attend an interview with the famous "doctor Morawetz" (have you ever had any "near death experience", tell me about your parents, etc.). He has a reputation, but don't worry, be yourself... he even wanted me to talk to him in French! I didn't train for any exercises as I didn't know what to expect. It's quite similar to DLR, AF cadets or ENAC tests, though. Some things are a bit surprising, be open minded: some tests appear without any explanation of what you have to do; you have to remember your candidate number during the whole sel and it's asked at each new test;...
2nd morning: The results of the tests are given only to the successful candidates, by phone, between 7:30 and 8:00 am. You have to be dressed and ready for the next stage, which can start at as early as 8h15! Only 2 of the 7 candidates received the call. I was asked to attend the single pilot sim ride at 8:30. The profile was quite easy (no need to reset the radio aids if the sdby frequencies are set properly prior to TO). Weather: 5000 m horizontal visibility, 700 ft OVC, wind calm. Departure clearance: 5000 ft according to a SID (STUTTGART airport, RWY 25). Then NDB DME approach, go around, radar vectoring to an ILS approach and landing. Period. The profile is explained clearly by the instructor before the test and he gives you 10 min to think about the plates. Then he explains how the procedure trainer works and you start whenever you want. The simplified C/L is displayed in front of you. The plane is similar to a PA34 but it works as a SEP as you don't have any failure during the test. The plane is very unstable and you don't get any force feedback so it's very difficult to fly properly (you can't trim the ailerons and I had to keep my control column to the left during the entire flight so as to keep level wings). They focus on the profile you fly so never give up! After the landing the instructor asked me how I found my performance. I thought it was pretty poor but he was quite happy about what I did and told me the assessment was positive.
2nd afternoon: Both the Dutch guy and me passed the sim and reached the final interview. I had hardly prepared the whole selection because of the very late notice (less than 2 weeks prior to the sel date) and thought it would be a nice (and free as they pay for flights and hotel) chance to acquire a new experience... and tackled the selection pretty relaxed. However, reaching the end of the process brought some pressure and I didn't enter the interview room with such a detachment. Soon, I was surprised by the way the interview took. They hardly asked me any question about my motivation to work for them, the fact I didn't speak German, etc. They focused on some "cases»: The first one was "You are flying one of your first flight with us, you have forgotten your licence and no standby pilot is available, what do you do? ». The second case was "You saw your captain at the bar drinking heavily a few hours before the flight. What do you do? ». More about that on the "interview questions from hell" topic.... They pushed me hard and eventually, I left the room pretty confused and thought that was dead... which was confirmed 20 min later by the phone call they asked me to give. I felt a bit disappointed by these pretty virtual and out of human context cases... but they were part of the sel and I failed to convince them. Shame on me!
Good luck to any futur candidates !
David /
PS : As far as I know, 4 people applying through CAE passed the psychological test, and 2 of them were hired. One of them has alreday started yesterday in Madrid !
PPS : I wish the Dutch guy of my group made it... I would be glad to know !
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CS,
don't be too disappointed, someone will call you, and you will get a better job.
I got a call from tyrolean airways for an interview too.
my questions are:
how much they pay their first officers
aircraft?
bonding?
I have already a type rating A320(no debt, all paid in advance by myself), and I am not ready to be bonded for 3-5 years for a miserable salary to fly a dash8.
I make already 4000 euro/month with no bonding on light turboprops.
if I accept the job, I can make a cross on the airbus,and I am not very excited to go back in a sim for 5 weeks for a new type rating.
so should I go for a new type rating, or stick on the airbus and see?.What would you do?
and my german is 50%(I can pretty much ask what i want in german but i can barely read german newspapers)
don't be too disappointed, someone will call you, and you will get a better job.
I got a call from tyrolean airways for an interview too.
my questions are:
how much they pay their first officers
aircraft?
bonding?
I have already a type rating A320(no debt, all paid in advance by myself), and I am not ready to be bonded for 3-5 years for a miserable salary to fly a dash8.
I make already 4000 euro/month with no bonding on light turboprops.
if I accept the job, I can make a cross on the airbus,and I am not very excited to go back in a sim for 5 weeks for a new type rating.
so should I go for a new type rating, or stick on the airbus and see?.What would you do?
and my german is 50%(I can pretty much ask what i want in german but i can barely read german newspapers)
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I've been preselected to go for the assessment on May 26th until May 28Th, I'm Spanish from Madrid I guess I have to go to Innsbruck from Barcelona.
Is there anyone from Spain for those days?
Rgds,
Ignacio Cubedo
Is there anyone from Spain for those days?
Rgds,
Ignacio Cubedo
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Haha Johnny, tell me you're not serious?
Please, you are going to these people and telling them that you really really REALLY want to work for them, but then you want to postpone the interview because it's "not really convenient".
Ok, if you have a prior engagement, such as you're getting married, or your partner is due to give birth, then you might have a good reason to ask them to postpone. In any other case you'd better MAKE it convenient if you're serious about getting a job with them!
Please, you are going to these people and telling them that you really really REALLY want to work for them, but then you want to postpone the interview because it's "not really convenient".
Ok, if you have a prior engagement, such as you're getting married, or your partner is due to give birth, then you might have a good reason to ask them to postpone. In any other case you'd better MAKE it convenient if you're serious about getting a job with them!
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Does anybody know how many pilots are they going to hire??
It seems that they are calling a lot of pilots for selection. You can visit www.extracrew.com is a spanish forum, there you can find no less than 15 pilots that are going to go next month. This is very unusual for spanish pilots. http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif
Rgds.
It seems that they are calling a lot of pilots for selection. You can visit www.extracrew.com is a spanish forum, there you can find no less than 15 pilots that are going to go next month. This is very unusual for spanish pilots. http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif
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NOOO, nooo, nooo..... ;-)
They are like us, preselected to go to Innsbruck and demonstrate they are better than us, so they are not on the right seat.
What it sounds estrange to me is the fact that a foreign company, specially one that german is not a must but it is a plus contact with spanish pilots when all other companies around EU don't want to know about Spanish pilots, due to the inefficiency of Spanish Aviation Authorities issuing licenses and type ratings. For example Netjets request that if you are Spanish or Italian you must transfer your license to UK or Portugal. I guess that this stuff is well know for all EU companies.
I hope I have been clear!!! ;-))
Rgds,
PS I have answered the email to Austrian Arrows accepting the invitation but I don't have any reply, Anybody knows how long will this stuff take??
They are like us, preselected to go to Innsbruck and demonstrate they are better than us, so they are not on the right seat.
What it sounds estrange to me is the fact that a foreign company, specially one that german is not a must but it is a plus contact with spanish pilots when all other companies around EU don't want to know about Spanish pilots, due to the inefficiency of Spanish Aviation Authorities issuing licenses and type ratings. For example Netjets request that if you are Spanish or Italian you must transfer your license to UK or Portugal. I guess that this stuff is well know for all EU companies.
I hope I have been clear!!! ;-))
Rgds,
PS I have answered the email to Austrian Arrows accepting the invitation but I don't have any reply, Anybody knows how long will this stuff take??