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Eagle, as far as I know, he was flying a flight or two per week to sicily with the metro's, but that outfit was never anything serious.
Guys correct me if I'm wrong but some of you keep saying that the KM bond (type rating excluded) is 100,000 euros when in fact it is more in the region of 45,000 euros over a period of 10 years obviously. Not that 45k is not a lot of money, far from it, but just want to get the facts right.
Guys correct me if I'm wrong but some of you keep saying that the KM bond (type rating excluded) is 100,000 euros when in fact it is more in the region of 45,000 euros over a period of 10 years obviously. Not that 45k is not a lot of money, far from it, but just want to get the facts right.
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''I think your getting it wrong here guys re: the Maltese etc.
The basings will no doubt be for their sub-charter uk basings, for which British pilots already hold contracts. You would be flying identical routes to the other bucket and spade carriers, with the 'Maltese' thing not even coming into it. They even use British crew.
I work side by side with the KM engineer at BRS - top chap!! All the best!''
Wrong ! The Ab-intio call is for the maltese bases.
The british side of things havent got much of a good deal either as u can suss out from reading Aviator74's post.
The basings will no doubt be for their sub-charter uk basings, for which British pilots already hold contracts. You would be flying identical routes to the other bucket and spade carriers, with the 'Maltese' thing not even coming into it. They even use British crew.
I work side by side with the KM engineer at BRS - top chap!! All the best!''
Wrong ! The Ab-intio call is for the maltese bases.
The british side of things havent got much of a good deal either as u can suss out from reading Aviator74's post.
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Zickler,
I think you may be wrong re the bond amounts. I know for a fact that there are bonds to the tune of Lm 40, 50 and 60,000 the highest of which equates to Eur 139,000.
I know of a number of people who have left KM and had bonds to pay and have not done so. Whether or not they settled in court or not i do not know. It would be interesting to see what has happened- maybe someone could shed some light on this.
As all are saying- Km has great guys to work with- however knowing all the facts i would rather find another job than work for KM. The T/C's are attrocious and they only seem to be deteriorating.
What really baffles me is this. The industry is really short of pilots and every company is scrambling to employee as many pilots as possible, yet KM managment or rather Mis managment seem to be intent on scaring each and every pilot based in Malta away.
Time will tell but i would place my last dollar that KM will experience another mass exodus of highly qualified pilots within the next few months- similar to that which they had 2 years ago. And with my experience with KM- their reaction would be to make the bonds even tougher in hope that the few people they manage to trap will have no way out.
Forget about paying to work- what is worse is your moral once you get to see how things really work. My honest advice- stay away- not even if you are desperate.
Pity though as the place is nice and the pilot community is great.
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I think you may be wrong re the bond amounts. I know for a fact that there are bonds to the tune of Lm 40, 50 and 60,000 the highest of which equates to Eur 139,000.
I know of a number of people who have left KM and had bonds to pay and have not done so. Whether or not they settled in court or not i do not know. It would be interesting to see what has happened- maybe someone could shed some light on this.
As all are saying- Km has great guys to work with- however knowing all the facts i would rather find another job than work for KM. The T/C's are attrocious and they only seem to be deteriorating.
What really baffles me is this. The industry is really short of pilots and every company is scrambling to employee as many pilots as possible, yet KM managment or rather Mis managment seem to be intent on scaring each and every pilot based in Malta away.
Time will tell but i would place my last dollar that KM will experience another mass exodus of highly qualified pilots within the next few months- similar to that which they had 2 years ago. And with my experience with KM- their reaction would be to make the bonds even tougher in hope that the few people they manage to trap will have no way out.
Forget about paying to work- what is worse is your moral once you get to see how things really work. My honest advice- stay away- not even if you are desperate.
Pity though as the place is nice and the pilot community is great.
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Zickler,
I think you may be wrong re the bond amounts. I know for a fact that there are bonds to the tune of Lm 40, 50 and 60,000 the highest of which equates to Eur 139,000.
I think you may be wrong re the bond amounts. I know for a fact that there are bonds to the tune of Lm 40, 50 and 60,000 the highest of which equates to Eur 139,000.
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This whole thread started off as an ab initio thing, turned into a management bashing / pilot kissing thing, and back again to ab initio.....some guys are really hedging their bets, come the next round of CPL intake / next elections. The grapes may be sour or not, but why is everyone kissing KM pilots. are they saints or???
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in addition to the previous
...Adding to busrider msg, i notice the change over from ab-initio discussion to cpl intakes discussion in this thread, with a strong tint of various particular experiences. Very surely we all share the same thing when in our flying offices-!The SKIES!. However when it comes to the way we think, we are all different persons, with different abilities, different dreams, and different opinions. I dont know any of these CPL/intake personal cases, about which alot is written in this thread, and which ofcourse all have their own merits. You have to be in it to know what it feels like, when its about just or injust. The one thing that sounds ironical to me, is that some fellows, who are all out against the Km situation (Who isnt after all??:P); are on the one hand saying that, themselves or people they know, would never want to be in such miserable position of paye and working conditions, but then on the other hand are also saying that, it has been an injustice, themselves or people they know have suffered by not being given the chance for a flyingjob with km. As prevously said i dont know any of the people writing here personally, but i thought to myself ''who will care about a job that they don't want anyway?'' I think that we all want the best, with ''the best'' being very interpretational.I personally think that the only best, when it comes to a flying job, and especially the first type rating, is to have open options from which you can choose the one you think its best for you; as i know for a fact, this has been the case with some young men in the past few months, even on this tiny island, with all the limitations and difficulties that seem to be overruling us. Wish all of you success and safe flying for the years to come!
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Claycom and co
I'm coming to Malta for my hols at the end of June & flying with KM my question is will KM be flying then
shall i try and get a refund now ?
Would really luv to me you guys...i might even be able to buy a beer unless the current gvm't ain't stuck more f*****g vat on it...claycom,skylog pm me if you fancy it
brgds
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I'm coming to Malta for my hols at the end of June & flying with KM my question is will KM be flying then
shall i try and get a refund now ?Would really luv to me you guys...i might even be able to buy a beer unless the current gvm't ain't stuck more f*****g vat on it...claycom,skylog pm me if you fancy it
brgds
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Eagle you tight bastard 
Only kidding dude but the VAT doesn't affect it that much. You can get a decent pint for 50c (80p). Now if you call that expensive I don't know where you've been living for the last few years. You're the first brit I have heard complaining of booze prices in Malta, honest.
Anyway, don't want to go off topic ... keep on discussing KM
Only kidding dude but the VAT doesn't affect it that much. You can get a decent pint for 50c (80p). Now if you call that expensive I don't know where you've been living for the last few years. You're the first brit I have heard complaining of booze prices in Malta, honest.
Anyway, don't want to go off topic ... keep on discussing KM
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The previously bond period was 7 years not 10 - that was marginal and I for one would've probably taken it. but 10 years... never.
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zickler i get the impression that you are trying so hard to find a good reason to join KM, ok so the current bond is LM 20000 still a heck load of money,however dont forget that cadets who already hold an F-ATPL are being asked to pay LM15000 (apart from the bond @ 10Yrs) for the type rating, when we all know that the average cost is usually within the region of LM 7500.
My contributions to this thread were made solely to inform others about the situation and to try to remove the rose tinted specs.
i have no wish to Join KM in its current situation and in hindsight am gratefull that i didnt join them in the last call.
I was lucky enough to be and peek inside KM's door and realise that i would be slitting my wrists by now(since i calculated that i would be paying KM to work for them) unless i found employment elsewhere.Very few are lucky enough to have experienced this.
This is not about sour grapes (i can only vouch for myself) since as i said i am happy where i am and am glad that i did not join up under these ridiculous conditions.Now one can either learn from others experiences & mistakes or ignore them.
P.S. Bald Eagle PM me when you will be over, im up for it.
My contributions to this thread were made solely to inform others about the situation and to try to remove the rose tinted specs.
i have no wish to Join KM in its current situation and in hindsight am gratefull that i didnt join them in the last call.
I was lucky enough to be and peek inside KM's door and realise that i would be slitting my wrists by now(since i calculated that i would be paying KM to work for them) unless i found employment elsewhere.Very few are lucky enough to have experienced this.
This is not about sour grapes (i can only vouch for myself) since as i said i am happy where i am and am glad that i did not join up under these ridiculous conditions.Now one can either learn from others experiences & mistakes or ignore them.
P.S. Bald Eagle PM me when you will be over, im up for it.
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I wonder from wer KM get the cheek to ask for a bond .. I mean!
You would think that paying twice as much for a T/R and and ten years "might be" enough! ... but another Lm20k (or whatever the amount is cos really dis rant is looking more like a Super 5 lottery draw now - I'm tempted to go for 7,10,15,20 & 40 come next Tuesday!) is just absurd!
There's something fishy behind it all .. something smelly! They know that with their present situation (a mess in case there was doubt) pilots will run for the door before they had even get the chance to get in ... the only way for KM to prevent that from happening is .... no prizes for guessing again!
What is this thing about 'sour grapes'? As if not joing KM was the end of the world or something catastrophic? .. I thank my stars every second for wer I find myself right now ... nuff said!
You would think that paying twice as much for a T/R and and ten years "might be" enough! ... but another Lm20k (or whatever the amount is cos really dis rant is looking more like a Super 5 lottery draw now - I'm tempted to go for 7,10,15,20 & 40 come next Tuesday!) is just absurd!
There's something fishy behind it all .. something smelly! They know that with their present situation (a mess in case there was doubt) pilots will run for the door before they had even get the chance to get in ... the only way for KM to prevent that from happening is .... no prizes for guessing again!
What is this thing about 'sour grapes'? As if not joing KM was the end of the world or something catastrophic? .. I thank my stars every second for wer I find myself right now ... nuff said!
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You are wrong sylog, I am not trying to find any excuses. I just state the things as they are. I never said KM is a good place to be. However, get your facts right before speaking out. It is not fair on the current intake of pilots but the reasoning behind KM asking for the bond is pretty obvious. Pilots get an A320 rating and **** off immediately after KM have paid for it. They don't look too nicely upon that (and who would!). That's the reason for the bond, as unfair as it is!
Keep this in mind, no one gives you anything for nothing. With all due respect to the Medavia guys, the company doesn't bond you for that long because it does the "type rating" itself on it's own aircraft, which basically costs it next to nothing. Obviously T&C's are waaaay better if you're up for life in Libya. Yes the KM bond is out of any proportion, but don't compare it to anything else local, because there is nothing to compare it to.
Keep this in mind, no one gives you anything for nothing. With all due respect to the Medavia guys, the company doesn't bond you for that long because it does the "type rating" itself on it's own aircraft, which basically costs it next to nothing. Obviously T&C's are waaaay better if you're up for life in Libya. Yes the KM bond is out of any proportion, but don't compare it to anything else local, because there is nothing to compare it to.
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I'm with Z
What I think Airmalta should do get themself a guy who is like O'larry, and let him teach them how to get things right, even though I don't like his way of treating the pilots, but at least the bond is cheaper than KM and you pay for your own Type rating but still cost cheaper than KM, also by the end of the pilot training most of them still stay with him because they still get paid at the end of day with maximum 3 to 5 year bond. If I wanted to fly for the big boys, I would of taken the Ryan Air offer rather than Air Malta. But I love T/P planes.
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What I think Airmalta should do get themself a guy who is like O'larry, and let him teach them how to get things right, even though I don't like his way of treating the pilots, but at least the bond is cheaper than KM and you pay for your own Type rating but still cost cheaper than KM, also by the end of the pilot training most of them still stay with him because they still get paid at the end of day with maximum 3 to 5 year bond. If I wanted to fly for the big boys, I would of taken the Ryan Air offer rather than Air Malta. But I love T/P planes.
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actually I've heard that Libya is not a nice place to fly in, apparently pilots there don't stick to procedure and maintenance don't keep up standards...are they just rumours?
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wot a load of bullocks some of you guys are coming up with!
First off fabiensf ... it's each and every pilots' responsibility to follow his/her company's SOP's .. irrespective of which part of the world he/she is flying in .. if u want me to give u an endless list of incidents wer the so called "big boys" at Ryanair have deliberately run their jets into, by all means tell me and I will ... maintenance is another issue totally dependant on the company .. if we're talking KM and Medavia here they're both fully fledged JAR approved, although I can tell you for a fact that wen JAR FCL issues come into place the (mis) management at KM dont know a f**k on wots going on ... fyi .. a couple of guys at the last intake with blessed KM trotted along for their T/R with expired IR's ... ILLEGAL!!!! but wtf .. that's KM for ya!
Zickler .. as far as KM goes ... wot r u gonna do if/wen they schedule you for flights in Libya? Cry like a baby and make a tantrum about it?? Grow up mate .. and face the REAL world! As repeated several times here Libya isn't the ****hole some of u guys are picturing it to be! and if it was ... sfw? R we paid to fly planes here or to decdide wer and wen and how to have it? and another thing .. do you think we don't know that no-one is not gonna give us anything for free ... thanks for enlightining me on that .. I nearly forgot that one! ... Our point is why the hell do u have to be bonded for 10 bloody years wen we pay for all our damn training .. twice as much for the type rating and a ridiculously hefty 10k or watever the sum cos I really cant give a freakin **** ... why? Please answer this question .. I'd really like you to tell me ... why!? honestly!
First off fabiensf ... it's each and every pilots' responsibility to follow his/her company's SOP's .. irrespective of which part of the world he/she is flying in .. if u want me to give u an endless list of incidents wer the so called "big boys" at Ryanair have deliberately run their jets into, by all means tell me and I will ... maintenance is another issue totally dependant on the company .. if we're talking KM and Medavia here they're both fully fledged JAR approved, although I can tell you for a fact that wen JAR FCL issues come into place the (mis) management at KM dont know a f**k on wots going on ... fyi .. a couple of guys at the last intake with blessed KM trotted along for their T/R with expired IR's ... ILLEGAL!!!! but wtf .. that's KM for ya!
Zickler .. as far as KM goes ... wot r u gonna do if/wen they schedule you for flights in Libya? Cry like a baby and make a tantrum about it?? Grow up mate .. and face the REAL world! As repeated several times here Libya isn't the ****hole some of u guys are picturing it to be! and if it was ... sfw? R we paid to fly planes here or to decdide wer and wen and how to have it? and another thing .. do you think we don't know that no-one is not gonna give us anything for free ... thanks for enlightining me on that .. I nearly forgot that one! ... Our point is why the hell do u have to be bonded for 10 bloody years wen we pay for all our damn training .. twice as much for the type rating and a ridiculously hefty 10k or watever the sum cos I really cant give a freakin **** ... why? Please answer this question .. I'd really like you to tell me ... why!? honestly!