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Sigmar/My Travel A320 self funding
anyone going for it?
what about MYTRAVEL ?
do they pay well to get the cash (€49k) back?
after the 150h , any chances of getting a job?
thank you for your replies
what about MYTRAVEL ?
do they pay well to get the cash (€49k) back?
after the 150h , any chances of getting a job?
thank you for your replies
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I applied yesterday and got a reply this morning. obviously they are eager I am however trioubled by the fact that you could fail thhe bridge course after spending close to 6k. Is there anyone who has done it and what is the success rate. If they are going to chuck me after spending that I might as well go with the astreus scheme where the assesment is simply to see how much trainingyou need and I know a couple of guys who have done it and have gione on to jobs with other airlines.
Here's what i recieved this morning.
ALTEON-MY TRAVEL A320 TYPE RATING PROGRAMME
Our A320 First Officer Jet Bridge Transition programme completes the training begun at any academy flight school, and has been specifically designed to provide the knowledge and experience that airlines are looking for in a First Officer. Specific airline Standard Operating Procedures (SOP's) are integrated into a two-month training programme. The training philosophy of this programme allows cadets to develop competency and confidence in jet flight operations.
The Alteon-MyTravel A320 Type Rating Programme is designed to take a prospective self-funding individual through an appropriately structured programme such that once the line training and experience is complete he /she is highly marketable to airlines. It provides an opportunity to gain real-world airline experience. In today's pilot job market the practical experience gained whilst flying for an airline is invaluable.
After completing the modular First Officer Jet Bridge Transition course, as described below, the qualified student will undertake base and line training as a First Officer, flying an A320 for MyTravel Airways, a United Kingdom based airline. The qualified student will be guaranteed 150 hours of flight time with the airline including line training. The student will also be eligible for additional flight time contingent upon the crew staffing needs of the airline and, should an opening exist, could be offered employment with the airline upon successful completion of line training. During this time MyTravel Airways would pay the student expenses and transport costs when operating away from their assigned home base.
The programme is split in to a number of key segments, as follows:
· Application – Sigmar Aviation
· Selection – Psychometric (Sigmar) and simulator assessment (Alteon)
· Bridge and/or Jetoc – Groundschool and simulator
· Type Rating – TRTO course taught by Alteon and MyTravel staff
· Base Training – conducted by MyTravel
· Line Training – conducted by My Travel
· Line experience – conducted by My Travel
Application
Application is made by sending your CV to Sigmar Aviation for review. Prospective candidates will be selected and recommended for psychometric and simulator assessment, taking place in Luton, UK.
Selection
A Psychometric assessment will be conducted using the COMPASS system, which tests motor skills. This is combined with an interview conducted by training staff from My Travel. In addition, there will be a 45-minute simulator assessment, to be conducted on one of Alteon’s 737-300 simulators by both an Alteon and MyTravel Instructor.
Bridge and/or Jet orientation course
From the results of the above process, the successful pilots will continue on to the full programme. Depending on their experience and/or skill levels, the student will proceed to the Bridge or Jetoc course. This course, taught by Alteon instructors will prepare individuals for the fast jet and multi-crew environments and precedes the Type Rating.
Bridge
This course is obligatory for Candidates with the following minimum requirements: Frozen JAA ATPL, 100 hrs PIC, Multi Engine I/R, MCC Certificate (must be issued by a UK CAA approved school).
For the above students this course must be completed prior to the A320
Type Rating Course. It consists of 15 days of instruction and includes 6 days of Instructor-led classroom tutorials, 5 FTD exercises and 4 FFS details.
Note: Candidate progress is assessed at the end of the Classroom Tutorials, FTD and FFS exercises. Unsatisfactory progress may result in curtailment of the training.
Jetoc
The course is obligatory for Candidates holding the minimum requirements as listed above and who have at least 500 hours MPA (multi pilot) experience.
For the above students this course must be completed prior to the A320 Type Rating Course. It consists of 4 days of Instructor led classroom tutorials and 4 FFS details.
Note: Candidate progress is assessed at the end of the FFS exercises. Unsatisfactory progress may result in curtailment of the training.
Type Rating
Type Rating course. This course is centred around Alteon’s standard TRTO course. The groundschool, the so-called technical part of the course, will be conducted by Alteon instructors, whilst the simulator phase will be conducted by either MyTravel or Alteon instructors and Examiners.
The Type Rating Course is TRTO approved by the UK CAA and holds JAA validation in respect of the Airbus A320 aircraft. The approved course consists of Instructor-led Tutorials, CBT, PTT and FMGC training, leading finally into a Full Flight Simulator training programme carried out by JAA qualified SFI/TRI/TRE's in JAR-STD1A approved simulators. Successful completion of the approved curriculum will result in a Part 1 type rating endorsement entered in the holders JAA ATPL.
Pilots who graduate from the Type Rating Course will proceed directly to Base training followed by Line training on the aircraft of MyTravel Airways. The course will include a minimum of 150 hours of line experience, including line training, for each student.
Base Training
This is a JAR-FCL1 requirement for type rating issue and consists of a minimum of 6 take-offs and landing in the aircraft (A320). My Travel Instructors will accomplish this on MyTravel aircraft.
Line Training
Following the issue of the A320 Type Rating, students will progress to Line Training. This will be carried out in MyTravel aircraft, with MyTravel Instructors during normal line operations and will lead to the Final Line Check. This marks the end of the training phase and successful Students will continue with the Line Experience until they have attained 150 hours total flight time on the A320, inclusive of line training.
Facts at a glance – Pricing
Application Free of charge
Psychometric Assessment £150 inc. UK VAT
Simulator Assessment £200 inc. UK VAT
Bridge Course £5,440 inc. UK VAT
Jet Orientation £3,350 inc. UK VAT
Type Rating, Base, Line £26,563 inc. UK VAT
Pricing: The price for the Bridge and Type rating is £32k Inc Vat.
The price for the course with Jetoc will need to be reduced in line with the difference between the Jetoc and Bridge.
Here's what i recieved this morning.
ALTEON-MY TRAVEL A320 TYPE RATING PROGRAMME
Our A320 First Officer Jet Bridge Transition programme completes the training begun at any academy flight school, and has been specifically designed to provide the knowledge and experience that airlines are looking for in a First Officer. Specific airline Standard Operating Procedures (SOP's) are integrated into a two-month training programme. The training philosophy of this programme allows cadets to develop competency and confidence in jet flight operations.
The Alteon-MyTravel A320 Type Rating Programme is designed to take a prospective self-funding individual through an appropriately structured programme such that once the line training and experience is complete he /she is highly marketable to airlines. It provides an opportunity to gain real-world airline experience. In today's pilot job market the practical experience gained whilst flying for an airline is invaluable.
After completing the modular First Officer Jet Bridge Transition course, as described below, the qualified student will undertake base and line training as a First Officer, flying an A320 for MyTravel Airways, a United Kingdom based airline. The qualified student will be guaranteed 150 hours of flight time with the airline including line training. The student will also be eligible for additional flight time contingent upon the crew staffing needs of the airline and, should an opening exist, could be offered employment with the airline upon successful completion of line training. During this time MyTravel Airways would pay the student expenses and transport costs when operating away from their assigned home base.
The programme is split in to a number of key segments, as follows:
· Application – Sigmar Aviation
· Selection – Psychometric (Sigmar) and simulator assessment (Alteon)
· Bridge and/or Jetoc – Groundschool and simulator
· Type Rating – TRTO course taught by Alteon and MyTravel staff
· Base Training – conducted by MyTravel
· Line Training – conducted by My Travel
· Line experience – conducted by My Travel
Application
Application is made by sending your CV to Sigmar Aviation for review. Prospective candidates will be selected and recommended for psychometric and simulator assessment, taking place in Luton, UK.
Selection
A Psychometric assessment will be conducted using the COMPASS system, which tests motor skills. This is combined with an interview conducted by training staff from My Travel. In addition, there will be a 45-minute simulator assessment, to be conducted on one of Alteon’s 737-300 simulators by both an Alteon and MyTravel Instructor.
Bridge and/or Jet orientation course
From the results of the above process, the successful pilots will continue on to the full programme. Depending on their experience and/or skill levels, the student will proceed to the Bridge or Jetoc course. This course, taught by Alteon instructors will prepare individuals for the fast jet and multi-crew environments and precedes the Type Rating.
Bridge
This course is obligatory for Candidates with the following minimum requirements: Frozen JAA ATPL, 100 hrs PIC, Multi Engine I/R, MCC Certificate (must be issued by a UK CAA approved school).
For the above students this course must be completed prior to the A320
Type Rating Course. It consists of 15 days of instruction and includes 6 days of Instructor-led classroom tutorials, 5 FTD exercises and 4 FFS details.
Note: Candidate progress is assessed at the end of the Classroom Tutorials, FTD and FFS exercises. Unsatisfactory progress may result in curtailment of the training.
Jetoc
The course is obligatory for Candidates holding the minimum requirements as listed above and who have at least 500 hours MPA (multi pilot) experience.
For the above students this course must be completed prior to the A320 Type Rating Course. It consists of 4 days of Instructor led classroom tutorials and 4 FFS details.
Note: Candidate progress is assessed at the end of the FFS exercises. Unsatisfactory progress may result in curtailment of the training.
Type Rating
Type Rating course. This course is centred around Alteon’s standard TRTO course. The groundschool, the so-called technical part of the course, will be conducted by Alteon instructors, whilst the simulator phase will be conducted by either MyTravel or Alteon instructors and Examiners.
The Type Rating Course is TRTO approved by the UK CAA and holds JAA validation in respect of the Airbus A320 aircraft. The approved course consists of Instructor-led Tutorials, CBT, PTT and FMGC training, leading finally into a Full Flight Simulator training programme carried out by JAA qualified SFI/TRI/TRE's in JAR-STD1A approved simulators. Successful completion of the approved curriculum will result in a Part 1 type rating endorsement entered in the holders JAA ATPL.
Pilots who graduate from the Type Rating Course will proceed directly to Base training followed by Line training on the aircraft of MyTravel Airways. The course will include a minimum of 150 hours of line experience, including line training, for each student.
Base Training
This is a JAR-FCL1 requirement for type rating issue and consists of a minimum of 6 take-offs and landing in the aircraft (A320). My Travel Instructors will accomplish this on MyTravel aircraft.
Line Training
Following the issue of the A320 Type Rating, students will progress to Line Training. This will be carried out in MyTravel aircraft, with MyTravel Instructors during normal line operations and will lead to the Final Line Check. This marks the end of the training phase and successful Students will continue with the Line Experience until they have attained 150 hours total flight time on the A320, inclusive of line training.
Facts at a glance – Pricing
Application Free of charge
Psychometric Assessment £150 inc. UK VAT
Simulator Assessment £200 inc. UK VAT
Bridge Course £5,440 inc. UK VAT
Jet Orientation £3,350 inc. UK VAT
Type Rating, Base, Line £26,563 inc. UK VAT
Pricing: The price for the Bridge and Type rating is £32k Inc Vat.
The price for the course with Jetoc will need to be reduced in line with the difference between the Jetoc and Bridge.
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How much have you been asked to put down upfront and were you at any point told you could be dropped after spending x amount of money. Also can you post what the selection procedure was like for us. Thanks
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I looked at this programme had all the details etc
I decided to call operators of the A320 and agencies etc to ask what the chances of getting a Job with a 150hrs got the same story from them all 500hrs is the minimum.
For the price there are much better deals around for 35k you can get the type rating and 500hrs on type not 150hrs that way the agencies will take a look at you
Just call and ask see what they say
I decided to call operators of the A320 and agencies etc to ask what the chances of getting a Job with a 150hrs got the same story from them all 500hrs is the minimum.
For the price there are much better deals around for 35k you can get the type rating and 500hrs on type not 150hrs that way the agencies will take a look at you
Just call and ask see what they say
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What have agencies got to do with anything? Loads of airlines just interested in a type rating, BMI, Air Malta, BMed to name but a few! Easyjet want 50 hours on type! Even if airlines want 500 hours on type, it's highly unlikely they'd get that from newbies and it would be highly unlucky not to land a job soon after completing. There is a chance of being kept on for the Summer at MYT and even permanently, and that'll get you up to the 500 hour mark, providing you start fairly early in the season.
To answer the question, you pay in installments and unless you are completely inept, the likelihood of being chopped is low due to the rigourous vetting to get onto the scheme in the first place.
To answer the question, you pay in installments and unless you are completely inept, the likelihood of being chopped is low due to the rigourous vetting to get onto the scheme in the first place.
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Eagle jet for one $40,000 for 500 hrs thats around £21k plus the type rating at $26,000 JAA approved with Unitied thats a total of around £35,000
The only reason I see for going for the My Travel one is in the hope you get kept on after the 150hrs
Ill say it again why should they keep you on when they have another 20 people lined up to give them 30k+ they are in the business of making money
Whatever you decide the best of luck I hope it works out for you all but I know that I would rather have that 500hrs in my log book at the end of it.
Infact Eagle jet are offering 500hrs A320 time for $33,000 at the moment just had a look at the website
The only reason I see for going for the My Travel one is in the hope you get kept on after the 150hrs
Ill say it again why should they keep you on when they have another 20 people lined up to give them 30k+ they are in the business of making money
Whatever you decide the best of luck I hope it works out for you all but I know that I would rather have that 500hrs in my log book at the end of it.
Infact Eagle jet are offering 500hrs A320 time for $33,000 at the moment just had a look at the website
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I cant believe that anyone with half a brain would comtemplate such a scheme! get out there and try and get a job directly with the airlines. Times have not been so good for years and will deteriorate eventually!
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CD,
Your profile says wannabe pilot, show me these jobs that are available with no time on type, when most are now paying for their type ratings and I'll go quietly. I don't think you are qualified to air such an opinion.
Times are good supposedly, but recruitment is slow at the moment
And I have a higher than average IQ thanks very much, so I suggest you pipe down!
Nuclear Weapon,
Selection Procedure
3 hours of Aptitude tests and Phsychometric tests (COMPASS)
A verbal reasoning test
A numerical reasoning test
A technical and business interview with someone from Alteon, MYT HR and MYT Training Captain.
Sim Check on 737-300, Take off, SID, some steep turns, radar vectored ILS, and radar vectored ILS assymetric
Your profile says wannabe pilot, show me these jobs that are available with no time on type, when most are now paying for their type ratings and I'll go quietly. I don't think you are qualified to air such an opinion.
Times are good supposedly, but recruitment is slow at the moment
And I have a higher than average IQ thanks very much, so I suggest you pipe down!
Nuclear Weapon,
Selection Procedure
3 hours of Aptitude tests and Phsychometric tests (COMPASS)
A verbal reasoning test
A numerical reasoning test
A technical and business interview with someone from Alteon, MYT HR and MYT Training Captain.
Sim Check on 737-300, Take off, SID, some steep turns, radar vectored ILS, and radar vectored ILS assymetric
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I can understand the logic behind SSTRs, but I have to say, this does sound quite bizarre! Bridging this, JOC that and you even have to pay to fly an airline's revenue earning flight!
Sort of an inverse Monty Python joke. "Tell the old folks that, and they don't believe you!"
Sort of an inverse Monty Python joke. "Tell the old folks that, and they don't believe you!"
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Well, I'm going for GECAT possibly too! The only other job I've been offered, and I have applied everywhere more than once, is a low paid job flying a Seneca,
Capital outlay of say £21K at GECAT with a job worth double the Seneca pay at the end, + career progression straight into jets could bring a fledgling career forward by 3 years. Saving me money in the long run due to higher earning. The other fact is I've worked my butt off in my current career and I do earn a good wedge. If you're 21 and have no job, then this route probably ain't for you.
Capital outlay of say £21K at GECAT with a job worth double the Seneca pay at the end, + career progression straight into jets could bring a fledgling career forward by 3 years. Saving me money in the long run due to higher earning. The other fact is I've worked my butt off in my current career and I do earn a good wedge. If you're 21 and have no job, then this route probably ain't for you.
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Yes! He went for the selection again and passed! GECAT have a proven record though of placing people in jobs! There is no guarantee with all flying, Ryanair has no guarantees once finished with CAE.
Like I keep saying, show me the jobs! All require a type rating. The blame I'm afraid is squarely with the economy. It's strong and people are prepared to pay for TR as they have access to the money. If interest rates were higher (early nineties level) then i think we'd be in a different scenario. People can complain all they like, even militantly never would pay, but fact of the matter is you ain't gonna get a job over someone who has a type rating.
I know many people who have gone through GECAT and all, yes 100%, have got jobs, regardless of integrated, modular, OAT, or others. Incidentally much of the patter that OAT spout about getting people jobs, many have got those jobs through GECAT and not OAT.
I'm sure many people who are thinking about doing the MYT course and those who are slagging us off should remember, that I spent half what some at OAT would have spent on just the CPL/IR, and I will have spent the same as them but have a TR and 150 hours on type with a reputable airline. Who would you chose to fly your planes?
I am not blind to this scheme, I see a sales patter when there's one, and yes they exist in this scheme as all others, but to get an edge on every other bugger, and I can afford it, then why not.
Oh and by the way it's £32K and VAT is included
Like I keep saying, show me the jobs! All require a type rating. The blame I'm afraid is squarely with the economy. It's strong and people are prepared to pay for TR as they have access to the money. If interest rates were higher (early nineties level) then i think we'd be in a different scenario. People can complain all they like, even militantly never would pay, but fact of the matter is you ain't gonna get a job over someone who has a type rating.
I know many people who have gone through GECAT and all, yes 100%, have got jobs, regardless of integrated, modular, OAT, or others. Incidentally much of the patter that OAT spout about getting people jobs, many have got those jobs through GECAT and not OAT.
I'm sure many people who are thinking about doing the MYT course and those who are slagging us off should remember, that I spent half what some at OAT would have spent on just the CPL/IR, and I will have spent the same as them but have a TR and 150 hours on type with a reputable airline. Who would you chose to fly your planes?
I am not blind to this scheme, I see a sales patter when there's one, and yes they exist in this scheme as all others, but to get an edge on every other bugger, and I can afford it, then why not.
Oh and by the way it's £32K and VAT is included
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MyTravel is in need of serious funds!
The only place I have seen "pilots", and i say that loosely as most don't have the hours to be considered professional yet, that would actually spend that kind of money on training is only seen in Europe and I can't understand why you would put yourself in such a big debt when you will make 1/3 to 1/4 of what you spent on a type rating per year. That is insane! And sometimes it makes me laugh.....seriously.
I had the money to pay for it, yet I value my money as I work hard for it and I didn't need a type rating to get through and it wasn't luck! All you do is build your hours in steps. Oh let me repeat it incase some wannabe pilots didn't get that....Steps!
There is absolutely no reason you need a big jet at 250 hours. Why not buy a type rating on the Discovery at NASA?!? Its only 2.5million GBP and I am sure the bank will loan the money if you tell them NASA will hire you at the end as a professional Astraunaut. No hours on type but you could handle that baby no problem if the electronic systems went.
There are jobs out there....and for those that don't believe it pay all you want! Some young smart pilots I've met that know exactly how to do it....travel the country in your car....beg in every office and fly anything out of anywhere....It works...so keep flying. Money isn't great, but the experience you will build will further you career more than any A320 type rating can teach you.
I had the money to pay for it, yet I value my money as I work hard for it and I didn't need a type rating to get through and it wasn't luck! All you do is build your hours in steps. Oh let me repeat it incase some wannabe pilots didn't get that....Steps!
There is absolutely no reason you need a big jet at 250 hours. Why not buy a type rating on the Discovery at NASA?!? Its only 2.5million GBP and I am sure the bank will loan the money if you tell them NASA will hire you at the end as a professional Astraunaut. No hours on type but you could handle that baby no problem if the electronic systems went.
There are jobs out there....and for those that don't believe it pay all you want! Some young smart pilots I've met that know exactly how to do it....travel the country in your car....beg in every office and fly anything out of anywhere....It works...so keep flying. Money isn't great, but the experience you will build will further you career more than any A320 type rating can teach you.