Jobs for rated pilots with 0h on type?
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Its natural after investing so much money that you'll look at the positives side of investing £32k but the bottom line is most of newly qualified pilot don't have that much money to invest and like a current ryan air thread that if airline see these type of schemes they will implement them to save money.
The Mytravel scheme was £40kplus last year I don't know how successful it was in terms of pilots getting jobs, but after a few months and 150hrs online you will be very employable. Will you get taken on by Mytravel Very probably not they are running this scheme all summer so basically they are saving paying 4 FO which for a summer will work out about £80k the whole point of running the scheme.
After talking to a few people in the states the majority of airline will pay for your rating it seems like we're shooting ourselves in the foot by trying to get the first job at NO COST EXPARED.
It'll only stop when we stop let the likes of ryanair have no one applying for them so they have to pay for your training they need 400ish pilots who most are happy to pay £18+ to work for them, would MOL be laughing when he has all these shiny jets and no crew to fly them??? maybe then he'll start treating staff the way all humans should be treated
Peace out
The Mytravel scheme was £40kplus last year I don't know how successful it was in terms of pilots getting jobs, but after a few months and 150hrs online you will be very employable. Will you get taken on by Mytravel Very probably not they are running this scheme all summer so basically they are saving paying 4 FO which for a summer will work out about £80k the whole point of running the scheme.
After talking to a few people in the states the majority of airline will pay for your rating it seems like we're shooting ourselves in the foot by trying to get the first job at NO COST EXPARED.
It'll only stop when we stop let the likes of ryanair have no one applying for them so they have to pay for your training they need 400ish pilots who most are happy to pay £18+ to work for them, would MOL be laughing when he has all these shiny jets and no crew to fly them??? maybe then he'll start treating staff the way all humans should be treated
Peace out
Except this time he makes a very valid point
Because of people willing to self fund their type ratings and training etc. Or to put themselves into a further negative position financially after undertaking their training, the likes of Ryanair will never be short of pilots.
While there is always a lot of talk of standing up against schemes like this etc even if 90% of people did. There would still be 10% of people waving their wallets in the hope it will help them get that first job.
Obviously - otherwise the self sponsored type rating and line training situation would never have come about
Because of people willing to self fund their type ratings and training etc. Or to put themselves into a further negative position financially after undertaking their training, the likes of Ryanair will never be short of pilots.
While there is always a lot of talk of standing up against schemes like this etc even if 90% of people did. There would still be 10% of people waving their wallets in the hope it will help them get that first job.
Obviously - otherwise the self sponsored type rating and line training situation would never have come about
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True, believe me, I wish we lived in a world where we wouldn't have to pay of TRs.
It seems the only way to jets now for low houred folks and if that means paying for it so be it. Market forces! Unfortunately whilst we live in a strong economy this will continue, am I gonna wait for for the economic climate to change, hell no!! We'll be here all night!
It seems the only way to jets now for low houred folks and if that means paying for it so be it. Market forces! Unfortunately whilst we live in a strong economy this will continue, am I gonna wait for for the economic climate to change, hell no!! We'll be here all night!
this whole jet thing amazes me
Personally i want to see the EU find itself in a similar hiring position to the States.
You get your licence, become an instructor. You gain some hours and get a regional job. Then you move on slowly progressing.
Gain some valuable experience and stop trying to run before you can walk. You have a commercial licence, that doesnt entitle people to fly jets. It allows them to be paid to work. And last time i checked that included Para dropping, aerial photography etc
Jets for low houred folk should be a no no
Personally i want to see the EU find itself in a similar hiring position to the States.
You get your licence, become an instructor. You gain some hours and get a regional job. Then you move on slowly progressing.
Gain some valuable experience and stop trying to run before you can walk. You have a commercial licence, that doesnt entitle people to fly jets. It allows them to be paid to work. And last time i checked that included Para dropping, aerial photography etc
Jets for low houred folk should be a no no
Funflyin,
BA's experience is that low hrs guys/gals have no problems flying jets. If one wished to, you coud extend your argument to say that integrated pilots shouldn't be allowed near aircraft due to their low hrs/experience and lack of genuine decision-making through their integrated course. Now these aren't m arguments, of course, and I think both points of view are equally invalid!
BA's experience is that low hrs guys/gals have no problems flying jets. If one wished to, you coud extend your argument to say that integrated pilots shouldn't be allowed near aircraft due to their low hrs/experience and lack of genuine decision-making through their integrated course. Now these aren't m arguments, of course, and I think both points of view are equally invalid!
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this whole jet thing amazes me
Personally i want to see the EU find itself in a similar hiring position to the States.
You get your licence, become an instructor. You gain some hours and get a regional job. Then you move on slowly progressing.
Gain some valuable experience and stop trying to run before you can walk. You have a commercial licence, that doesnt entitle people to fly jets. It allows them to be paid to work. And last time i checked that included Para dropping, aerial photography etc
Jets for low houred folk should be a no no
Personally i want to see the EU find itself in a similar hiring position to the States.
You get your licence, become an instructor. You gain some hours and get a regional job. Then you move on slowly progressing.
Gain some valuable experience and stop trying to run before you can walk. You have a commercial licence, that doesnt entitle people to fly jets. It allows them to be paid to work. And last time i checked that included Para dropping, aerial photography etc
Jets for low houred folk should be a no no
See what happens
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My post wasnt meant to be an attack on anyone. BA, low houred integrated or modular pilots etc. 
What i was trying to illustrate (none to successfully) is that the pilots in FAA land know what their career path is going to look like and its accepted.
Over this side of the pond there isnt quite that structure (for a number of reasons) so you end up with the situation where people feel the only way they can exercise the privelages of their commercial licence is to find a jet job straight away.
And a lot of them feel very hard done to when this isnt the situation. 
The self sponsored type rating market was always going to come along. But the lack of structure over here has led to a sharp increase in this because people are so eager to get onto a jet they dont think.
What i was trying to illustrate (none to successfully) is that the pilots in FAA land know what their career path is going to look like and its accepted.
Over this side of the pond there isnt quite that structure (for a number of reasons) so you end up with the situation where people feel the only way they can exercise the privelages of their commercial licence is to find a jet job straight away.
And a lot of them feel very hard done to when this isnt the situation. The self sponsored type rating market was always going to come along. But the lack of structure over here has led to a sharp increase in this because people are so eager to get onto a jet they dont think.
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Ok guys, my view on my personal situation.
I have succeeded on getting a place on a jet SSTR, followed by line training with a reputable airline. I pay/invest £30k to a training provider and get out of it 150 hours on type flying Geordies on holiday (they're lovely people by the way)! Having spoken to various captains etc. the overall impression is that this is likely to work in my favour. Incidentally I'm a modular guy who worked full time during training and I have no debt. I'm 30 years old and my wife is broody. This is likely to pull my career forward by 3 years with higher potential earnings earlier than from a turboprop operator, especially with companies like Flybe (£23K pa for a new FO). Time to command on a jet is likely to be brought forward too. Now, I know I must be a crazy SOB and I know many of you hate the fact that people buy TRs, but for the sake of my life and that of my wife and potential family, I think it's a worthwhile investment. There is also a very possible chance of a job at the end with this jet carrier. C'est la vie, as they say! And I don't want to be waiting around for another year!
I have succeeded on getting a place on a jet SSTR, followed by line training with a reputable airline. I pay/invest £30k to a training provider and get out of it 150 hours on type flying Geordies on holiday (they're lovely people by the way)! Having spoken to various captains etc. the overall impression is that this is likely to work in my favour. Incidentally I'm a modular guy who worked full time during training and I have no debt. I'm 30 years old and my wife is broody. This is likely to pull my career forward by 3 years with higher potential earnings earlier than from a turboprop operator, especially with companies like Flybe (£23K pa for a new FO). Time to command on a jet is likely to be brought forward too. Now, I know I must be a crazy SOB and I know many of you hate the fact that people buy TRs, but for the sake of my life and that of my wife and potential family, I think it's a worthwhile investment. There is also a very possible chance of a job at the end with this jet carrier. C'est la vie, as they say! And I don't want to be waiting around for another year!
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Take what comes - Work your way up?
I suspect that the money involved in the states is a little less. There is a lot of pressure for us self funded guys. Myself and Sin Bin are in the same boat with age, marriage etc. To survive on a FI wage for 2 years would put a lot of pressure on us financially particularly since we've already subjected our spouses to this! Managing their expectations against our former life and income is a frightening ordeal.
Perhaps the smart thing to do would have been to do this a tad earlier when the stakes were a little lower. But then we didn't have the cash then! I'm now in the dangerous "Deal or No deal" position with the rare jobs coming my way. The quarter Million is still in play and much needed but so are a lot of the blue boxes! (sorry to use a UK analogy).
Perhaps the smart thing to do would have been to do this a tad earlier when the stakes were a little lower. But then we didn't have the cash then! I'm now in the dangerous "Deal or No deal" position with the rare jobs coming my way. The quarter Million is still in play and much needed but so are a lot of the blue boxes! (sorry to use a UK analogy).
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Speaking of Type Rated pilots with 0 hr on type...
Actually 1 hr on type...
JAA CPL(A)
ATR42/72 type rating current until April 2007 - qualified on ALL variants.
Available immediately, ready to relocate.
Experience in writing operational documentation for airlines, including ATR operators.
Experience in purchasing of ATR spare parts.
Experience as a Flight Dispatcher.
French and British citizenships & passports.
Language skills:
- English: fluent.
- French: native speaker.
- German: conversational+.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you hear of an opportunity.
Thanks for your help,
Vincent
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JAA CPL(A)
ATR42/72 type rating current until April 2007 - qualified on ALL variants.
Available immediately, ready to relocate.
Experience in writing operational documentation for airlines, including ATR operators.
Experience in purchasing of ATR spare parts.
Experience as a Flight Dispatcher.
French and British citizenships & passports.
Language skills:
- English: fluent.
- French: native speaker.
- German: conversational+.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you hear of an opportunity.
Thanks for your help,
Vincent
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It appears to me that you seem think there is a Job waiting out there for you when you finish the rating as you will have a 150hrs on type there are plenty of people out there with 10 times that who are out of work and I will say it again these people are in the business of selling type ratings nothing more they will allways tell you the positives (chance of a job etc at the end) and not the negatives
Why not ask them for a list of how many people who have done this have actually got kept on and ask to speak to them they should have nothing to hide if they are a reputable company
Maybe im getting old but being in business myself most people will tell you what you want to hear if you are handing over that sort of money.
Of course if you do get a Gurantee of a job thats a different story
Good luck whatever you decide i hope it all works out for you
Why not ask them for a list of how many people who have done this have actually got kept on and ask to speak to them they should have nothing to hide if they are a reputable company
Maybe im getting old but being in business myself most people will tell you what you want to hear if you are handing over that sort of money.
Of course if you do get a Gurantee of a job thats a different story
Good luck whatever you decide i hope it all works out for you
Possibly the big question that needs answering though is how will you be looked at after the line training.
I'm guessing you will still be sub 500 hours which in a lot of places is low houred - but more importantly will they look at you much differently to someone who is just out of training
As arguably that is the situation you are in. Finished your CPL/ME IR and gone to another training provider for more training.
Except i can imagine the uproar if Oxford started providing all of this
I would like to add though - good luck to you and i hope it works and keeps the wife more bearable
With an edit added to say whichever way it goes it would be nice if you hang around to keep people up to date on your situation should they be considering this scheme next year. As none of last years chaps seem to be about
I'm guessing you will still be sub 500 hours which in a lot of places is low houred - but more importantly will they look at you much differently to someone who is just out of training
As arguably that is the situation you are in. Finished your CPL/ME IR and gone to another training provider for more training.
Except i can imagine the uproar if Oxford started providing all of this
I would like to add though - good luck to you and i hope it works and keeps the wife more bearable
With an edit added to say whichever way it goes it would be nice if you hang around to keep people up to date on your situation should they be considering this scheme next year. As none of last years chaps seem to be about
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This will put me in the 500 hour+ market, and I will try to keep a diary on this forum, not this thread obviously. Scroggs et al, when/if I decide to go for this SSTR I will put this in a diary, any chance of a sticky if/when the time comes?
I think it would be a useful thread for most wannabies nowadays, as most may have to pay for their own type ratings.
It's scary as hell, and I am going into it with my eyes wide open, contingency plans all round and the risks have been spelt out to me by the TRTO many times! There has never been any guarantee with any of it up to now, so why would a SSTR make any difference, all I do know it would make me a much more attractive option than I currently am. Sigmar are also actively looking for opportunities at this minute for when the training finishes. Also it's not like I've just approached someone with lots of money, I had to go through a very rigourous selection procedure, listen to all the hype, although I have to say there hasn't been any really and then decide what the hell to do! I am certainly not naive and if i do this, it will be for my own personal reasons and nout else, using it to network, and make friends in high places!
I think it would be a useful thread for most wannabies nowadays, as most may have to pay for their own type ratings.
It's scary as hell, and I am going into it with my eyes wide open, contingency plans all round and the risks have been spelt out to me by the TRTO many times! There has never been any guarantee with any of it up to now, so why would a SSTR make any difference, all I do know it would make me a much more attractive option than I currently am. Sigmar are also actively looking for opportunities at this minute for when the training finishes. Also it's not like I've just approached someone with lots of money, I had to go through a very rigourous selection procedure, listen to all the hype, although I have to say there hasn't been any really and then decide what the hell to do! I am certainly not naive and if i do this, it will be for my own personal reasons and nout else, using it to network, and make friends in high places!
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At very least, it shows that you are staying current with active and useful flying. Ten times better than hiring out the local winged shed and flying down to Stone Henge once a week. That might be worth it's weight to any recruiter even if it doesn't come direct from your TR provider.
Best of Luck
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Time from getting type rating to employment.
This is directed at those who did a speculative type rating without the guarantee of a job at the end. How long did it take you to get a job i.e 0-100 hours on type. Please gecat and parc students exempt from this poll.