Jobs for rated pilots with 0h on type?
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I'm not sure that the information that you gave is correct. Perhaps you should check the date of your copy of JAR-FCL?
The ten sectors on type can be replaced by a flight with an examiner. This can be done on the simulator as part of the LPC.
If the rating has expired by less than 5 years then the CAA require no mandatory training prior to the LPC. Applicants should complete training at their own discretion. If the rating has expired by more than 5 years then the ground exams must be repeated, but the training required prior to the LST is at the discretion of the TRTO. Base training is not required so long as the training is ZFT approved.
4000 euro seems a little steep for a sim session? Are you sure?
Airclues
I'm not sure that the information that you gave is correct. Perhaps you should check the date of your copy of JAR-FCL?
The ten sectors on type can be replaced by a flight with an examiner. This can be done on the simulator as part of the LPC.
If the rating has expired by less than 5 years then the CAA require no mandatory training prior to the LPC. Applicants should complete training at their own discretion. If the rating has expired by more than 5 years then the ground exams must be repeated, but the training required prior to the LST is at the discretion of the TRTO. Base training is not required so long as the training is ZFT approved.
4000 euro seems a little steep for a sim session? Are you sure?
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That is why it is so hard to sleep at night
.. It seems like all companies are looking for either experienced pilots or those with rating, I donŽt know how many times I have heard "come back when you have a rating" 
.. Actually I dont know if I have the money for a rating, especially not without knowing if it will give me a job afterwards.But if there is no other way in, iŽll guess that I have no other choice than to run for a rating
.. After all, my hours doesnŽt multiply by themselves
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After I had paid for my TR on the 737, I was lucky enough to find a job assisted by my training provider. Our course was due to go to an operator straight from TR, who changed their mind due to a lack of experience on type. As you can imagine, none of us were too happy about this. It took 6 months to get a job after that. Throughout that time we never fully understood the delay, and that is particularly with reference to experience on type.
It is only now, as I come to the end of my line training, that I can really appreciate why airlines seek the experience. Training a zero hour on type pilot to fly the 'line' is a huge under taking. The training requirements and logistics of providing trainers are massive. Your actual ability and the near vertical learning curve is even more demanding. It makes the TR seem like a walk in the park. It is fantastic; you are out there doing the job you have trained for, but there is just so much more to it that I could have ever imagined, and that you could not have trained for. It really is down to experience. I can also see now why it is a real gamble for operators, and why they have, in certain cases, such rigorous selection processes.
There are of course operators who will take the new TR pilot and train them. I am fortunate enough to be with one of them, but they are few and far between.
It is definitely something you should be considering when considering a SSTR.
It is only now, as I come to the end of my line training, that I can really appreciate why airlines seek the experience. Training a zero hour on type pilot to fly the 'line' is a huge under taking. The training requirements and logistics of providing trainers are massive. Your actual ability and the near vertical learning curve is even more demanding. It makes the TR seem like a walk in the park. It is fantastic; you are out there doing the job you have trained for, but there is just so much more to it that I could have ever imagined, and that you could not have trained for. It really is down to experience. I can also see now why it is a real gamble for operators, and why they have, in certain cases, such rigorous selection processes.
There are of course operators who will take the new TR pilot and train them. I am fortunate enough to be with one of them, but they are few and far between.
It is definitely something you should be considering when considering a SSTR.
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David!
If that's your view, I'm having a hard time you've done your research properly. There's a lot happening in Sweden right now and with 500 hr + you should be able to get a job without a rating.
At the moment there is another way to do it than simply running for a typerating. Get stuck into researching the Swedish airlines a bit closer and you shall find...
Some might require you to pay a small amount but this will most likely also be connected to a job guarantee.
/LnS
If that's your view, I'm having a hard time you've done your research properly. There's a lot happening in Sweden right now and with 500 hr + you should be able to get a job without a rating.
At the moment there is another way to do it than simply running for a typerating. Get stuck into researching the Swedish airlines a bit closer and you shall find...
Some might require you to pay a small amount but this will most likely also be connected to a job guarantee.
/LnS
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David!
If that's your view, I'm having a hard time you've done your research properly. There's a lot happening in Sweden right now and with 500 hr + you should be able to get a job without a rating.
At the moment there is another way to do it than simply running for a typerating. Get stuck into researching the Swedish airlines a bit closer and you shall find...
Some might require you to pay a small amount but this will most likely also be connected to a job guarantee.
/LnS
If that's your view, I'm having a hard time you've done your research properly. There's a lot happening in Sweden right now and with 500 hr + you should be able to get a job without a rating.
At the moment there is another way to do it than simply running for a typerating. Get stuck into researching the Swedish airlines a bit closer and you shall find...
Some might require you to pay a small amount but this will most likely also be connected to a job guarantee.
/LnS
.. I have been calling, visiting and such. But I do have a opening now, lets see how the tests work out. Wish me luck on Sunday
It may have sounded that I have been given up, but that is not the case. Its just that I need a job so that my economy gets a little better
.I will get that job, sooner or later.
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Thought I would put my bit in, with regard to the original question on this forum.
Loads of people are sceptical about doing a SSTR without job guarantee. I understand this fully, it is a gamble. However it is quite evident that doing a SSTR boosts your chances of getting a job considerably. My opinion is it does pay, especially if you are modular like myself and have spent a lot of time going in circles, sending applications left, right and centre and 90% of the time, never even receiving a reply. I am starting an A320 type rating this week, and my hopes are high. I am also glad to be doing it with a company which has a proven track record of getting their trainees a placement. What also drew me to them was they did a full assessment. Watch out for organisations that just accept you money without doing an airline assessment. . . they are normally after your dosh and your chances of them helping you out once the course is complete is slim. It is worth paying a little more and doing it somewhere with a good reputation and which has good airline partners. At the end of the day it is an investment, so invest wisely.
Loads of people are sceptical about doing a SSTR without job guarantee. I understand this fully, it is a gamble. However it is quite evident that doing a SSTR boosts your chances of getting a job considerably. My opinion is it does pay, especially if you are modular like myself and have spent a lot of time going in circles, sending applications left, right and centre and 90% of the time, never even receiving a reply. I am starting an A320 type rating this week, and my hopes are high. I am also glad to be doing it with a company which has a proven track record of getting their trainees a placement. What also drew me to them was they did a full assessment. Watch out for organisations that just accept you money without doing an airline assessment. . . they are normally after your dosh and your chances of them helping you out once the course is complete is slim. It is worth paying a little more and doing it somewhere with a good reputation and which has good airline partners. At the end of the day it is an investment, so invest wisely.
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Good luck anyhow.
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job market B757/767 type rated pilot with no hour on type?
Anyone out there got a job having a B757/767 type rating and no hours on type?
I would like to know more about the job market in europe and asia on this type of aircraft.
I would appreciate comments as well from collegues already flying that could help any wannabe.
Thanks
I would like to know more about the job market in europe and asia on this type of aircraft.
I would appreciate comments as well from collegues already flying that could help any wannabe.
Thanks
Jet2 at Leeds are training low time pilots on the 757, it may be worth sending your CV and a letter to Nick Hayter.
If you are still just considering the type rating and not qualified the company runs a SSTR scheme, this may be a better bet than just doing the TR. If you are rated then it's as good a chance as any.
Best of luck
If you are still just considering the type rating and not qualified the company runs a SSTR scheme, this may be a better bet than just doing the TR. If you are rated then it's as good a chance as any.
Best of luck
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I was replying to a post by -8AS (which has been deleted) in which he/she stated that if a type rating is allowed to expire then base training is required to renew it. He/She also gave incorrect info about the renewal requirements. If you have a an expired type rating (presumably having done base training to obtain it) then it can be renewed on a ZFT simulator.
Airclues
I was replying to a post by -8AS (which has been deleted) in which he/she stated that if a type rating is allowed to expire then base training is required to renew it. He/She also gave incorrect info about the renewal requirements. If you have a an expired type rating (presumably having done base training to obtain it) then it can be renewed on a ZFT simulator.
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Forgetting the cost for a bit.
I recently went for an assessment with a SSTR provider for an A320 rating that gives you 150 hours on type with a charter airline, with a small chance of a job at the end of it. Now I believe this is a clear benefit over 0 hrs on type, and if you've got the cash, why not. It's fractionally more expensive than other schemes, but I think worth it as the pay differences between TP and Jet carrier per annum over 2 years would pay for itself. My view on the matter.
Any thoughts
SB
I recently went for an assessment with a SSTR provider for an A320 rating that gives you 150 hours on type with a charter airline, with a small chance of a job at the end of it. Now I believe this is a clear benefit over 0 hrs on type, and if you've got the cash, why not. It's fractionally more expensive than other schemes, but I think worth it as the pay differences between TP and Jet carrier per annum over 2 years would pay for itself. My view on the matter.
Any thoughts
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Interesting that some are struggling to gain employment with 0 hrs on type. I wonder how useful it would be if you offered to work for free ? I mean get the hours working for free then move on !!
I used to be in a company that did just that, took on a guy working for free, he got said hours and then moved on...
just a thought as the market seems so tough to get into.
I used to be in a company that did just that, took on a guy working for free, he got said hours and then moved on...
just a thought as the market seems so tough to get into.
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FO J James
Best of luck with your type rating training!
Maybe you'll get a job right after training and prove us wrong,
but reading your post leads me to believe that your assumptions
do not quite match the reality (unless you'll be doing one of those
rating + line experience packages).
Pilot Pete
As always, could not be more correct in what he mentions in his
post.
I am one of those persons with an A320 type rating that doesn't
like to talk about my lack of success in obtaining a job. I have had
the thing for more than two years and not even mentioning in the
CVs I sent, an useful experience of nearly 400 hrs on type as
"Observer" with an operator that recently went bust, and during
which preflight preparations, comms and the filling of paperwork
tended to be left to be done by myself, has helped towards that
first allusive opportunity.
I know people that in the recent past managed to secure their
first opportunity, after having the rating for more than a year,
and naturally, I also know a few people like myself .... still looking.
Best of luck,
Zerograv
Best of luck with your type rating training!
Maybe you'll get a job right after training and prove us wrong,
but reading your post leads me to believe that your assumptions
do not quite match the reality (unless you'll be doing one of those
rating + line experience packages).
Pilot Pete
As always, could not be more correct in what he mentions in his
post.
I am one of those persons with an A320 type rating that doesn't
like to talk about my lack of success in obtaining a job. I have had
the thing for more than two years and not even mentioning in the
CVs I sent, an useful experience of nearly 400 hrs on type as
"Observer" with an operator that recently went bust, and during
which preflight preparations, comms and the filling of paperwork
tended to be left to be done by myself, has helped towards that
first allusive opportunity.
I know people that in the recent past managed to secure their
first opportunity, after having the rating for more than a year,
and naturally, I also know a few people like myself .... still looking.
Best of luck,
Zerograv
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I take it you are talking about the My Travel scheme I was also invited to pay for there Sim check and Interview then pay them over 30k for a Type rating I was considering this until I spoke to a friend who is a Capt with them and he said nobody has been kept on after the type rating sounds like another money grabbing scheme to me.
Why should they keep you on when they have a line of people ready to shell out in excess of 30k they are making a packet
Just my opinion maybe Im wrong If you do go for it good luck
I take it you are talking about the My Travel scheme I was also invited to pay for there Sim check and Interview then pay them over 30k for a Type rating I was considering this until I spoke to a friend who is a Capt with them and he said nobody has been kept on after the type rating sounds like another money grabbing scheme to me.
Why should they keep you on when they have a line of people ready to shell out in excess of 30k they are making a packet
Just my opinion maybe Im wrong If you do go for it good luck
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I take it you are talking about the My Travel scheme I was also invited to pay for there Sim check and Interview then pay them over 30k for a Type rating I was considering this until I spoke to a friend who is a Capt with them and he said nobody has been kept on after the type rating sounds like another money grabbing scheme to me.
Why should they keep you on when they have a line of people ready to shell out in excess of 30k they are making a packet
Just my opinion maybe Im wrong If you do go for it good luck
I take it you are talking about the My Travel scheme I was also invited to pay for there Sim check and Interview then pay them over 30k for a Type rating I was considering this until I spoke to a friend who is a Capt with them and he said nobody has been kept on after the type rating sounds like another money grabbing scheme to me.
Why should they keep you on when they have a line of people ready to shell out in excess of 30k they are making a packet
Just my opinion maybe Im wrong If you do go for it good luck
But with a deal like this, the company is simply asking the candidate to pay more than the PAX for each flight and also to do the job whilst going there. The general rule of thumb should be that behind the door, you pay to fly. In front of the door you GET paid to fly. It really sounds like a "Homer Simpson make-money-fast-scheme" that actually worked.... And when the candidate is "spent", they'll just grab a fresh one and do it all over again.
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Thanks, but I think you're both missing my point! I was told, there is no guarantee, however, I would have 150 hours on type which surely would make me attractive to other A320 operators in the UK.
Can I have some qualified responses rather than speculation, and I'm not sure what you mean by 'Homer Simpson make money scheme', it is a scheme run by Alteon, who are a TR training provider like GECAT, they happen to use MYT as a base for training. Therefore I know the risks, but when I finish, there is a chance of employment with MYT, Alteon help place people with airlines for interview and so do Sigmar, who ran the selection. If nothing else too the selection process was rigourous and good practice for other outfits.
Perhaps someone who went on this scheme last year could answer; no that's right they're probably too busy working!
Can I have some qualified responses rather than speculation, and I'm not sure what you mean by 'Homer Simpson make money scheme', it is a scheme run by Alteon, who are a TR training provider like GECAT, they happen to use MYT as a base for training. Therefore I know the risks, but when I finish, there is a chance of employment with MYT, Alteon help place people with airlines for interview and so do Sigmar, who ran the selection. If nothing else too the selection process was rigourous and good practice for other outfits.
Perhaps someone who went on this scheme last year could answer; no that's right they're probably too busy working!