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Old 15th Apr 2004, 15:46
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CAT3,

I don't see any need to hide such information from an employer looking at a non-flight deck position. I know several people who have opted for jobs in dispatch, ops, cabin crew and all kinds of wierd and wonderful places who have found holding a CPL no barrier to employment, and subsequently struck lucky and landed a RHS.

Anyway, as you would undoubtedly need to provide details of the last 5 years of your life, I think it might prove a little difficult to hide the fact you have the licence, especially if you gained it via the integrated route. I'm always disappointed by the tendency towards dishonesty and secrecy in my potential colleagues - that would be a far bigger factor in rejecting a candidate as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 15th Apr 2004, 21:29
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Hi all

Currently working for ezy as cabin crew. Graduated last year, needed to earn some money to pay off debts before starting training.

I say go for it; I don't feel as if I've done a day of work since I joined - it's actually good fun, and as some of you above have mentioned, the conversations I've had with flightdeck have been invaluable - everyone has something different to say, and you learn information which could impress at any future interviews.

Of course, I can't speak for the various ground-based jobs, but I'd say take whatever comes your way. At the time of graduation, no one except ezy seemed to be recruiting, hence here I am. I'd say the only difference between cc and despatch is the level of pay (cabin staff at ezy are paid more).

cheers

p.s. plenty of cabin crew holding licenses at ezy
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Old 15th Apr 2004, 21:58
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witchdoctor is probably right actually but at the time I didn't know what I know today. Also I wasn't completely inexperienced so like in many industries, the word "over qualified" could have struck me with its very unfortunate consequences.

Saying that when I worked at Transair Pilot Shop, that was a different story and my flying experience was certainly seen as a certain amount of commitment to the industry.

As for the 5 years history, well it's all but a joke.... Quite right if you have passed these years in the Uk, this is certainly an efficient way to know and confirm your exact whereabout.
Of course if you have been expatriated during that same period then these supposedly thorough checks are nothing more than a farce for that guy who really has something to hide. Yep, yep, yep.
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Old 16th Apr 2004, 09:58
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Ive just got a job working as a dispatcher at Man.......not started yet though........I told them about my CPL and they seemed pretty impressed........they said it puts me in a better position than most of the people who applied for the job!

They told me in the interview that they had previuosly had a few people with CPL/IR's who had worked there for a few months and then went onto fly jets!!!

They knew my intention was to make some good contacts in the airlines and that mustnt have bothered them too much!!!


Anyone esle working at Man who could offer some advice for me, would be much appreciated!!!
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Old 29th Apr 2004, 09:18
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Question Emirates / Virgin - cabin to cockpit

Is there any anecdotal evidence to suggest that low houred pilots have been successful in moving from cabin crew to FO positions in airlines such as Emirates, where they like their new FOs to have heavy jet time?

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Old 29th Apr 2004, 09:32
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Cabin crew time is not a substitute for pilot flying hours. No airline which demands several thousand flying hours (ie pilot experience) from its applicants will waive that requirement because you are cabin crew.

The only airlines that will recruit from the ranks of CC are those which have an established cadet scheme and a training structure that goes from zero flight time to jet RHS. Virgin is certainly not one of those. Emirates might be - but almost certainly only for UAE nationals. To qualify, you'd have to meet the nationality and age stipulations of the course, as well as pass all the relevant selection procedures.

The other route you might consider (which has been used in many airlines, though not at Virgin) is effectively taking an extended leave of absence from your company while you go and get trained and build up to the company's required experience level - which may take a good few years. You may then be invited to rejoin the company as a pilot if you're lucky. It's a long shot, but it might work.

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Old 29th Apr 2004, 11:41
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On my last CRM course out 12 pilots present, 8 had been Cabin Crew but...
All of us were self improver, therefore we had qualified before /whilst working as crew and only one or two had worked for our present employer.
Possibly a good way to make contacts though a friend of mine worked for Sabre and got a 727 job within 3 months of working... Not with Sabre though but because of it.

Like anyhting when it comes to get a job, no magic receipe.


PS: Just remembered that a few years back BA ran an internal recruitment drive. Qualified people to apply only but some had been engineers, some had been cabin crew.
Of course by the time I joined BA though, it was over...
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Old 8th Aug 2004, 17:04
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as far as i'm aware it is a requirement to sit a brush-up course before you attempt any exams...

when you say "I don't know if it's gonna be very manageable to take twice two weeks off for the brush up courses besides days off to sit the exams..."
are you referring to the fact it is inconvienient to use your annual leave for the brush course, or do you mean you cannot take leave????
there are plenty of cabin crew i work with who have done the same and have had no problem getting leave to do the brush up course..

"...those of us who you are working for a company which doesn't seem to allow to take some days off in that way...."

in what way??
what is the problem??

unfortunately i had to use all my leave for this year on my brush up courses......a necessity I'm afraid...

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Old 8th Aug 2004, 17:48
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Same here guys I did my ATPLs on a distance learning basis with Bristol groundschool while working full time as cabin crew for a Low cost in the UK.

It's a requirement to attend the brush up course and quite frankly I don't think i would have passed the exams without attending the classes.

So DX man I suggest you try to use your annual leave (that's what I did).

It's hard work .

Good luck

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Old 8th Aug 2004, 18:44
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thanks

Thank you guys for inputs.

Well I think i'm going to do the same (to use my annual leave)

CFTO check your PM

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Old 10th Feb 2005, 11:33
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Question From cabin crew to pilot...is it realistic???

Hi people, I realy want to be a pilot but unfortunely I donīt have enough money to do my training.

I was wondering what option would be better to get the money I need and consequently continue pursuing my dream.

Then I remember I could try to start as Cabin Crew to get some money and some experience or connections.
I heard some managed that way but some say itīs almost impossible to be a pilot for people like me (people who donīt have thousands of euros)

Others have said to forget it and start thinking in ATC which is not easy too but is a lot more cheaper!

But itīs not easy for a peson who always wanted to be a pilot to give it up that way, just because of the STUPID money!

Anyway, if you have some ideas that youīd like to share than be free to do that!
I would realy appreciate!

Hope to hear your comments soon!!!!!


P.S. Im twenty years old and Iīm from Portugal.
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Old 10th Feb 2005, 12:41
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Unless you can get scholarship then you will have to pay for your training.

When you think of the overall costs involved you do get a bit jaded and think 'gosh how can i afford that?' I certainly did.

I'm 19, so just younger than yourself, I work 40hrs a week full time, and take home the average wage a 19 yr can expect, and I put 3/4 of my monthly wage into flying. It took me 6/7 months to get my PPL and now i'm spending all my wages on VFR flying, in around 1 yrs time I hope to have around 150hrs with my IMC rating and ready to start my ATPL theory.

I will save up a few months to cover the costs of my ATPLs theory and after this point, I may vist the bank manager for a little loan to get my CPL/IR done and perhaps my FI rating.

This way the debt isn't upto my eye balls and i'm taking it at a steady and enjoyable pace.
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Old 10th Feb 2005, 12:54
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Wow! That's one sensible 19 year old!

Good luck to you mate!
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Old 10th Feb 2005, 14:39
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i had some pilot friend which started as cabincrew in the airline,after few year of working they try to apply for the cadet pilot program and they manage to get it and now some of them are F.O for 747...
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Old 10th Feb 2005, 20:34
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Well done wbryce...you remember me!
I started working two years ago as Lifeguard during summers and I managed to save 10 000 euros!

It wasnīt easy seeing the others getting new cars and all that stuff while I was with so much money in the bank for my future training!
But time has passed and the 10000 are there intact!

About those cadet pilot programs, not all comapanies have them or have they?
I know easyjet has but im not sure about the rest of them!

Thank you all for your replies!!!!!
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Old 10th Feb 2005, 21:28
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i'm currently doing atpl ground school and theres 2 cabin crew in my class, one downstairs doing his i/r , i know of one person who was a cabin crew member for easyjet and is now flying 75's . so i think its possible. albeit the two flying are a "little" in debt.
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Old 11th Feb 2005, 08:04
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GB recently started a scheme where they sponsor some of their cabin crew for pilot training. However I think this is pretty unique in the industry.
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Old 11th Feb 2005, 11:25
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I teach ATPL groundschool. We have a lot of students through the course who have worked as cabin crew, and generally they do better than average on the course. They get to know aviation, they have access to good advice before taking the course, knowing so many pilots, and have realistic expectations. They also tend to get jobs more easily due to the connections they have made.

Money is tough, but you are young and have time to complete the courses gradually, and to pay back any loans you need to take out over the course of a career.
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Old 11th Feb 2005, 18:31
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I agree with Send Clowns about the Cabin Crew having no problem with the flying.

It's who you are not what you are, if that wasn't true I wouldn't have taught people as diverse as Solicitors, Policemen and Cabin Crew who all went on to become pilots.

Oh and Emma G, please notice I said "Crew" not "Staff" (she knows what I mean )

In fact thinking back, one of the Cabin Crew I taught, a gentleman called Nayan was amoungst the cleverest people I've met, and a really nice guy to boot.

Getting a job in aviation to build up your funds is a great idea as you're in touch with the sharp end and should find out about vacancies first. You'll also get your face recognised which will help.

Good Luck
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Old 11th Feb 2005, 21:07
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Million thanks to you all!!!

You donīt imagine how good it is to read your words.

I think I will manage to save a good money as Cabin Crew, after all I saved 10 000 in only two summers as a lifeguard!

Thereīs one thing Iīm not sure about... should I make my PPL asap and enter an Airline as cabin crew after it or shall I go to UK now and start working and do all the training after?

Cause I know if I had the PPL I could study for the ATPL while I was working.
As I told before I saved 10 000 euros, that would allow me to do a PPL and NQ in the States easily.

What is your opinion?

Oh...once again, thanks for your replies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bruno Silva
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