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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 13th Oct 2018, 17:35
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Originally Posted by Flymetothemoon1 View Post
Surely if a company is struggling to keep to timings they should not be taking on more and more cadets.
Exactly.

Delays due to a shortage of instructors/aircraft/facilities are disappointing and possibly a result of poor planning but can happen to any company. L3 are seemingly compounding the problem by continuing to sign new contracts (eg RAF) and not reducing the number of cadets starting each month.
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 20:09
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I'm just about old enough to remember when the topic of CTC was on here in 2006-2007. Back then the cost was about £60k (which you generally got back), type ratings were generally paid for by partner airlines (who were matched with students mid-training), there was a HSBC Professional Studies loan which was available for everyone. You could only ever apply once, if you failed you didn't get a second go and only about 2% of applicants (from all financial backgrounds) got in.. At the time, it really seemed like THE place to be, shame I was a few years too young.

Seems like things have changed a bit...
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 22:45
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Originally Posted by Chris the Robot View Post
I'm just about old enough to remember when the topic of CTC was on here in 2006-2007. Back then the cost was about £60k (which you generally got back), type ratings were generally paid for by partner airlines (who were matched with students mid-training), there was a HSBC Professional Studies loan which was available for everyone. You could only ever apply once, if you failed you didn't get a second go and only about 2% of applicants (from all financial backgrounds) got in.. At the time, it really seemed like THE place to be, shame I was a few years too young.

Seems like things have changed a bit...
I think it was when they traded their reputation for cash, by selling themselves. And then did it again, and the investors decided to maximise their return by opening the floodgates and turning it into the sausage factory.

It became a very successful money making machine, then L3 bought it. And tried to ramp it up even more. But it seems that the quality dropped as the quantity increased. And they've reached critical mass.
Their selling point was their placement record and industry reputation. As close to guaranteed airline job as you could get, that was worth paying for, in many peoples opinion. But without that, they are nothing but an overpriced flight school.
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 21:18
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MPL and ATPL

I'm currently in lower sixth, studying my A levels. I will soon be turning 17, and hence applying to a pilot school.

I'm looking at applying for to the generation EasyJet program at L3 academy. I understand that doing this program will give you an MPL with EasyJet. However what I don't understand is what happens next, once you have achieved you MPL and are working for EasyJet, how long do you have for them for? Also, how do you go about converting you MPL to an ATPL, so you can work for other airlines?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 17:58
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Originally Posted by Sebster1238 View Post
I'm currently in lower sixth, studying my A levels. I will soon be turning 17, and hence applying to a pilot school.

I'm looking at applying for to the generation EasyJet program at L3 academy. I understand that doing this program will give you an MPL with EasyJet. However what I don't understand is what happens next, once you have achieved you MPL and are working for EasyJet, how long do you have for them for? Also, how do you go about converting you MPL to an ATPL, so you can work for other airlines?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hi,

The program has the possibility of giving you an MPL or a frozen ATPL depending on many factors with selection. You'll know which license you'll hopefully be aiming to achieve whether your assigned route 1 (MPL) or route 2 (frozen ATPL) after passing selection (and competition).

Also, to answer your conversion question, L3 states:
"Holders of an MPL may apply for an ATPL upon meeting regulatory requirements as your easyJet career progresses.".

That regulatory requirement I believe is met once 1500 hours of flight time is achieved.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 20:01
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Anyone starting CP205/EZMP35 in Coventry on the 4th December?
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 07:59
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Originally Posted by tpflyer View Post
Anyone starting CP205/EZMP35 in Coventry on the 4th December?
(Long time lurker, first time poster)

Not answering your question here but is EZMP35 related to the EasyJet MPL intake? If yes, mind me asking whether you were part of the recent assessment process (the one which opened Aug/Sep) or an earlier one?
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 00:40
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Originally Posted by pmct View Post


(Long time lurker, first time poster)

Not answering your question here but is EZMP35 related to the EasyJet MPL intake? If yes, mind me asking whether you were part of the recent assessment process (the one which opened Aug/Sep) or an earlier one?
​​​​​​Hi pmct,
I believe I was part of the previous intake. Applied around April time and got accepted onto route 1 in late May. Think we were the last interview group of the 2017 programme. Best of luck if you're waiting to hear back!
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 09:42
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No visible end to delays, further delays for cadets in New Zealand and BOH, as well as groundschool cadets across the board. Many delays as long as 6 months, with the potential for further delays. L3's current line of excuses sound very familiar, not enough instructors and PFA didn't take as many cadets as initially agreed. The bottle neck is at the IR phase, BOH is full of RAF and PFA can't take enough; although they claim to be searching for more places to outsource training. So yes, this mainly impacts whitetail cadets, airline tagged cadets won't suffer quite as bad- they tend to get a push through the system.

Think very carefully before choosing this ATO... You could be there quite some time.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 20:51
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Originally Posted by Harveyhickss View Post
I was just wondering where you got this information? Are you a cadet at L3? Quite curious as I'm supposed to be starting in around 6 weeks time and would like to know what I'm in for....
harveyhickss I am a cadet at L3

News spreads quite fast around most cadets. Most would give a similar story.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 23:48
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Originally Posted by basilbrush12 View Post


harveyhickss I am a cadet at L3

News spreads quite fast around most cadets. Most would give a similar story.
Yep delays are affecting MPL and ATPL students alike, untagged seems to have it worse but airline tagged cadets have big gaps in their training timeline too.

I'd be interested to know if other ATOs are experiencing the same level of problems?
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 23:59
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Yep delays are affecting MPL and ATPL students alike, untagged seems to have it worse but airline tagged cadets have big gaps in their training timeline too.

I'd be interested to know if other ATOs are experiencing the same level of problems?
BAA are saying "hold my beer"
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I'd be interested to know if other ATOs are experiencing the same level of problems?
Not in the modular world, although bookings at some CPL/IR schools now extend into summer 2019 but training is taking place when booked, there's no cascade effect.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 17:46
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Hi, Ive been accepted onto an easyJet MPL but Iíve been told to transfer my EASA class 1 to an Austrian class 1. Anyone already done this/got any advice?
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 22:49
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David, all easyJet pilots from 1st Jan 2019 will be moving onto the Austrian license. They are just transitioning you in line with this move. If it is anything like the IAA transferral, it is 2 forms to complete: One for the CAA and one for Austro Control.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 23:19
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Originally Posted by SAPEG3T View Post
David, all easyJet pilots from 1st Jan 2019 will be moving onto the Austrian license. They are just transitioning you in line with this move. If it is anything like the IAA transferral, it is 2 forms to complete: One for the CAA and one for Austro Control.
Nope, incorrect.

All easyJet Europe employeeís are moving to an Austrian licence. All easyJet UK employeeís stay with the UK issued EASA licence.

I presume the request is more for the L3 course being an EASA MPL course, so will be easier for continuity to do the whole process with a European country. Therefore can receive an EASA MPL, which can be converted in the future if needed.
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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 23:56
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All new entrants to easyJet irrespective of base whom commence an induction post March 2019 will be required to hold an Austrian issued licence. This isnít an L3 requirement at all, itís actually asked of by the airline - given it be written on their orange letterhead (in my case).

Any existing U.K. based employees or any new and UK based employees starting work, but not training, before March can retain the UK CAA papers. A trainee starting their course soon would finish after March 2019 and thus require Austrian papers.

@David.98 - iíd ask the individual or organisation thatís asked you to do this for guidance. As others have said, a medical state of issue is just a paper or two to adjust.

Hope this helps.

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Old 24th Dec 2018, 20:43
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I have emailed L3 asking them as well but being Christmas itíll probably take a few days for them to reply. Appreciate the help. ��
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 21:51
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Originally Posted by Harveyhickss View Post
Anyone part of CP209, Coventry, 29/01/19? Looking to start a Facebook group if anyone's interested?
Iím on this course (EZMP37/CP209) starting 29/01/19 in Coventry. Iíve tried to pm you but because my account is new it wonít let me use messages on here. Whatíve you called the Facebook group so I can look for it
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Old 6th Jan 2019, 22:26
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Hello,

I'm on CP210 intake, anyone gonna meet me in the bar?

Feel free to PM me.

I see L3 has posted its stance on Brexit on its website - working to ensure minimum disruption.

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