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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 23rd Jan 2017, 12:49
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CTC Aviation - Training Sponsorship Bond. How legitimate?

I'm looking at doing the fully integrated course at CTC (after much research on this forum) and one of the main factors swaying my decision in the way of integrated is the 69,000 training bond deposit that is paid back my the airline you work for over 7 years.

I am aware that you have to get a job with either Monarch, British Airways or Easyjet to qualify for this, but has anyone had any experience with the legitimacy of this? Who is it that ultimately pays the deposit back?

My concern is that there will be some sort of catch, such as a reduction in wages during these 7 years, or certain terms and conditions that would make it very unlikely to get the bond repaid.

I would greatly appreciate any advice/experience anyone has on this as it will likely be the key factor in my choice between modular and integrated.

Thanks
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Old 23rd Jan 2017, 13:32
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That 69,000 is a part of your training costs, it is gone once you give them that cash, be under no illusion and don't be swayed by whatever spin they put on it.

How it works (or at least used to) is the 69,000 'bond' is transferred to whatever airline you start to work for, who then pay you back 1,000 of it every month. The catch is that the salary your airline put you on is reduced by 12,000 a year compared to what it should be for a year 1 direct entry first officer.

As the 1,000 they pay back is tax-free, you essentially have 12,000 of what your annual salary should have been coming into you tax-free, therefore the sole benefit is avoiding tax on 12,000 of your income per year.

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Old 24th Jan 2017, 01:35
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Don't forget any contracts on the continent require you to forfeit the bond
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Old 25th Jan 2017, 11:24
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A question regarding the minimuum academic qualifications required to be eligible to apply to the CTC partner airlines.

Does anybody definitively know which ones do/don't require A-Levels?

I got a string of A* and A's at GCSE, but flunked my A-Levels and got 3 D's. Which partner airlines would still consider interviewing hold pool candidates who essentially doesn't hold any A-Levels.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 25th Jan 2017, 16:15
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The criteria for airlines changes all the time.

At the moment however, the only one I'm aware of requiring A levels is easyJet for their Generation easyJet Routes 1 through 3. Route 4 it doesn't appear to be a requirement and the same goes for those pilots they take straight out of the hold pool.

Hope this helps you dingue.
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Old 27th Jan 2017, 10:22
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Hi planesandthings,

Many thanks for taking time to offer your advice.

I sat my A-Levels as an 18 year old in 2006 - eleven years ago.

Since then I have taken professional exams in the field in which I currently work, and passed them all with good marks. I definitely have the aptitude to sit exams - it just so happens that I did my A-Levels at a time where I didn't particularly value the importance of getting good grades.

As far as a 'fall back' option incase of anything going wrong, the field in which I currently work is fairly niche, so although jobs are quite rare, when one does pop up there is very little competition for the roles.

I'm already certain of going ahead and applying for the course. I was just trying to gauge which airlines have a pre-requisite as to minimum A-Level requirements, before looking at ATPL marks etc.
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Old 27th Jan 2017, 12:21
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Dingue

I apologise for my assumption! I wrongly assumed you were another school leaver perhaps with the bank of mum and dad standing by.

Sounds like you've got it all planned, your fall back option sounds perfect if it's niche and has little competition. I wish the same could be said for pilots!

All the best.
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Old 27th Jan 2017, 12:56
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CTC give you a CV template you need to fill in to send to partner airliners which has a space on it to note A Level results.

I suggest you call them and ask for specific airline requirements. If they can't answer on the phone ask to be put through to someone in airline placement at Dibden.
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Old 28th Jan 2017, 22:52
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Originally Posted by Momo199850 View Post
Anyone on CP161 starting early March?
I may be! Mid-March is the last update I've had. Coventry too!
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 18:28
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Cp161

Great, Email me!
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 12:04
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Hi guys,

Just interested in how long it takes between sending your application and getting a date for selection.

Cheers
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 19:11
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After passing the application process it depends on the next available selection dates. I waited around 2 months!
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 19:26
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CTC/easyJet

I applied to CTC/EJ in the middle of August 2016 if I remember rightly and was offered Stage 2 end of October 2016, but on checking the website very regularly sincen then it continually says 'no spaces currently available - try again later.' which is getting frustrating!

Best of luck with your application.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 21:04
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Dont worry, I flopped in my GCSE's. I know I wont be going down the whitetail route, instead I will go down the Intergrated CPL/IR with takeoff.

But the main thing is the ATPL's. you cant afford to fail them or your career is over.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 21:17
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But the main thing is the ATPL's. you cant afford to fail them or your career is over.
No it isn't! However it is not a good idea.
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 08:45
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Originally Posted by SSKERR View Post
After passing the application process it depends on the next available selection dates. I waited around 2 months!
Cheers, I'll be looking to apply about Juneish then!

But the main thing is the ATPL's. you cant afford to fail them or your career is over.
No it isn't! However it is not a good idea.
I'm aware of a now first officer, that resat 5 ATPL exams!
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 10:44
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Originally Posted by MiggHD View Post
Dont worry, I flopped in my GCSE's. I know I wont be going down the whitetail route, instead I will go down the Intergrated CPL/IR with takeoff.

But the main thing is the ATPL's. you cant afford to fail them or your career is over.
I hope failing your GCSEs was tongue in cheek! If not sorry to be the one that bursts your bubble but I am not much older than you, I had mixed results and pulled myself together and eventually got most of the results I wanted, if you can't even meet the basic requirements for whitetail you need to go back and make sure you can, basic education comes over aviation.

Failing your ATPLs is one thing, but most of us have Level 3 Qualifications like A Levels at a minimum to fall back on, many have degrees. Enough people struggle with ATPLs with very reputable education and I've heard even at Intergrated schools in the last few months there have been failures.

But to not even have 5 passes at GCSEs is asking for a disaster. Lose your medical? Where next? Stacking shelves won't pay off the debt. I know no Cabin crew educated to below GCSE standard and I'd be even more worried if commercial airline pilots were, there's been enough experience already cut out of training...

If you do want to against all odds take the risk though, at a minimum you should be going for some form of aptitude testing, I believe it can be done at the RAF Aircrew assessment center by one of the aviation bodies. They will be able to tell you if you should be investing your life and money into it.

Best of luck

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Old 8th Feb 2017, 18:31
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I didn't fail all the GCSE's, I passed Maths and English.
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 22:02
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Ok well that at least makes a consolation, but my point is still the same, I'd suggest gaining some professional advice, minimum requirements for CTC wings are not there to make life a misery, they're there to ensure people are the right calibre to do the course.

You can very well pay your local flying school to do your PPL without even touching selection, but as a flying instructor I'd be inclined to recommend you for an aptitude test if you have sights on commercial. It is for your benefit and whoever will be loaning you the money.

Sorry to have to be so blunt, but this is a realists view. Maybe even a call to the CTC Careers helpline may set things straight.
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 22:14
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still, I will join CTC takeoff this year, I am not going down the loan route as I already have the funds available
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