gareth08

Peachgrove was The place to be when I was about. Staggering distance home from town! What more could you want????? These young ones today......

gareth08

I remember a small 'disturbance in the force' on Christmas day when something bad happened with some corollas. There used to be a lot of pissing and moaning about Internet connection even in Peachgrove - but even then, if you put 50 blocked together with an Internet connection, someone will 'abuse it' - and this was long before 'Skype'

Unfortunately, times have changed, when I was there cars were provided, laptops were provided, for whatever reason - they aren't now, the airline contracts aren't 'anything remotely' what they were then either - you pays yer money and takes yer choice' get experience and do what you can. This has all happened over and over again over the decades. Airlines used to sponsor cadets - I.e. absolutely no over heads whatsoever. Those days are long dead!!! Unfortunately.

future-pilot

Does Anyone know what is the situation at ctc in this moment? Are they sending cadets to new airlines? I have little time to choose between Oxford and Ctc, I would prefer CTC because it's cheaper than OAA, but I'd appreciate your advices.

systematically

CTC has a lot of hidden costs that will make it about the same or more expensive than Oxford. But don't think of the cost too much, that wont matter in the long run. Go Oxford for the quality.
People have posted in the past about the serious drop in quality at CTC, have a look some of the posts about that before deciding.

future-pilot

Thanks sistematically, Do you know how many flight hours are there in the CTC cadet programme? I didn't find nothing on their website.

Stonebaked

This for the Flybe scheme ?

Stonebaked

Cool, when is your assessment day? There is plenty of stuff in this thread and the Flybe thread that should help you prepare and give you an idea of what to expect. Good luck.

systematically

Last I saw the hours had come down to 163 (Legal minimum is 150 for integrated programme.) They were looking at how to reduce that further to save more costs so it may have come down again.
There are lots of ways to reduce the hours and still charge the same (or more). Thats why they wont tell you the hours you get.

Stonebaked

Its a good question for somebody to ask when they go on the second stage of the assessment.

future-pilot

that number(163 flight hours) is without counting the hours on the simulators, is it correct?

pipersam

Contrary to a previous comment, they are very upfront with the amount of hours you fly and I believe it is still 163 hours. I think total actual flight time is about 140 hours with the rest in the DA42 sims both in New Zealand and Bournemouth. (For the Wings course).

The sims are incredibly helpful and quite similar to the real aircraft. It's a huge step up going straight into IFR sim sessions after finishing your VFR flying - although great fun! They also have a Part Task Trainer which has the full G1000 suite that you're allowed to go and practise with which is helpful, and plenty of Garmin trainers on the PC's.

future-pilot

Thanks pipersam,
I read(studied)the whole thread and I have to say that apparently CTC offers a very good training. However I'll go to the open day the 7th of July, just to be sure that they deliver good training and then I'll choose. I've alredy done the OAA skills assessment and passed it but as soon as I heard about CTC I thought that it would be better to try for a cadet place. I'm completely aware about how is difficult to get through but I'll do my best.
Does anyone know if the security bond of 69,000£ is including VAT? I would be very grateful if someone at CTC can tell me which are all the hidden costs( a part from the security bond, foundation course, medical)

Thanks

Future-pilot in one way or another

OMGisThatJohn

future-pilot: There is no 'security bond', at least not with the CTC Wings course. You fund the 69 grand either out of your own pocket, or you take a loan out.

The nature of the loan is up to you and whatever bank you choose to get the loan with.

The course fee is fully inclusive bar the few items you must pay for yourself, those are listed on the CTC website and in the joining literature, and living expenses (accommodation is included.)

You'll be able to get a lot more info at the open day and selection day.

patm92

future-pilot, im on the wings course now. There are always hidden costs ! ! ! !

future-pilot

Hi patm92
Which are these hidden costs? I read thatfor what concerning the flight training if you need remedial training you don't pay.

pilotarosa

lets start from the license issuing fee...i assure you they are not cheap
etc etc etc.
not every fto has hidden costs...no hidden costs in FTE the price you see is what you pay and includes everything. OAA also much more transparent they tell you exactly what is not included

greywind

Have to agree here, there are additional costs, but I don't recall any being hidden.

future-pilot

I would like to know which are all these hidden costs, I'm sorry pilotarosa but OAA has MANY hidden costs, I've many friends doing the integrated training with OAA. I do know little about FTE. However CTC remains the best FTO for the moment, no way to contradict that.
Greywind are you on the wings cadet course with CTC?

greywind

@future-pilot I was but that was quite a while ago

pilotarosa

OAA has changed then since I have I have done it.
With FTE I can garantee there are no hidden cost as the price really includes everything. By everything I also mean medical renewal, all food, etc.