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i m going to ve atpl licence in few weeks and thinking about living in moscow but i dont know anything about aviation in russia.as i know they ve started to have boeings;will my licence be enough?if no,how to convert it?and i ll be pleased to read any information about aviation in russia.
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i m going to ve atpl licence in few weeks and thinking about living in moscow but i dont know anything about aviation in russia.as i know they ve started to have boeings;will my licence be enough?if no,how to convert it?and i ll be pleased to read any information about aviation in russia.
thank you
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hi everybody
i m going to ve atpl licence in few weeks and thinking about living in moscow but i dont know anything about aviation in russia.as i know they ve started to have boeings;will my licence be enough?if no,how to convert it?and i ll be pleased to read any information about aviation in russia.
thank you
i m going to ve atpl licence in few weeks and thinking about living in moscow but i dont know anything about aviation in russia.as i know they ve started to have boeings;will my licence be enough?if no,how to convert it?and i ll be pleased to read any information about aviation in russia.
thank you
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Be prepared for metric flight levels (fairly straightforward, we use a simple conversion table) and lots of frequency changes in the climb, which keeps you busy and can result in level-offs while the controllers sometimes sound like they have their head in a bucket, or are sitting in a metal cell.
Otherwise it is just like flying anywhere else..working out there would be something else, unless you speak Russian .. a new language is one thing, an new alphabet is quite another !
George
Otherwise it is just like flying anywhere else..working out there would be something else, unless you speak Russian .. a new language is one thing, an new alphabet is quite another !
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Well, the possibilities are fantastic - the industry is now starting to pick up from depression, and there will be fantastic opprotunities in 10-20 years but...
1. There's no official way of converting foreign licenses at the moment.
2. Russian legislation doesn't allow non Russian citizen to fly, except if you receive training.
3. You have to speak Russian.
There are some technical diferences, but these three are the most difficult to deal with. But nothing's impossible in this world!
1. There's no official way of converting foreign licenses at the moment.
2. Russian legislation doesn't allow non Russian citizen to fly, except if you receive training.
3. You have to speak Russian.
There are some technical diferences, but these three are the most difficult to deal with. But nothing's impossible in this world!
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thank you for answer
yes,i m still intrested.except language and ctizienshio problems,
1-how difficult to get a job in airline?
2-can i convert my licence?
2-as i heard do they still fly 6 persons in cockpitt?(sitll old technology)
3-how much does a pilot earn average earn in mounth?
and i wishto know anything about it and living in moscow.thank you already
1-how difficult to get a job in airline?
2-can i convert my licence?
2-as i heard do they still fly 6 persons in cockpitt?(sitll old technology)
3-how much does a pilot earn average earn in mounth?
and i wishto know anything about it and living in moscow.thank you already
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yes,i m still intrested.except language and ctizienshio problems,
1-how difficult to get a job in airline?
2-can i convert my licence?
2-as i heard do they still fly 6 persons in cockpitt?(sitll old technology)
3-how much does a pilot earn average earn in mounth?
and i wishto know anything about it and living in moscow.thank you already
1-how difficult to get a job in airline?
2-can i convert my licence?
2-as i heard do they still fly 6 persons in cockpitt?(sitll old technology)
3-how much does a pilot earn average earn in mounth?
and i wishto know anything about it and living in moscow.thank you already
1. It is as difficult as in any other place in the world - it's just a matter of knowing right people. But(!):
1.1 There's currently not enough young experienced pilots there. Most young educated local pilots don't have enough hours because small and GA aviation just dosn't exist anymore.
1.2 Most Russian pilots have very bad English.
2. Officially there's no procedure of converting the license. You have to contact certified flight schools and discuss this with them. But there's only two or three of them who can give you equivalent of ATPL. CPL though is much easier.
3. 6(!) <8-[ ] With flight attendants may be.
) There are a lot of Russian aircraft though with ususally 4 people in the cockpit. But Boeings and Airbuses are gradually replacing them. Aeroflot is going to replace the whole fleet in 2012-2015 with B787 and A330.4. This is the most painful question - it's usually from 2000 USD a month to... depends on your importance, experience, and location. This is very low comparing to other countries but it's just enough for living in Moscow.
I would add from myself that I lost confidence in this country, that's why I moved to Australia to learn and to fly here. There's a lot of other negative things related to living.
I would say that if you have 1500 hours in something havier than 5 tons - your chances are very good. Besides you'll receive invaluable experience flying in very bad wether and in low temperatures. If you survive there you'll be bored of flying enywhere else! That's guaranteed!
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Have to agree with that
I have been flying into the Former USSR republics now for 8 years, using metric flight levels and different radio phaseology, definitely keeps you on your toes. Anywhere else is boring !!
But its getting better. In another 10 ten years it will be the same as the west.
I have been flying into the Former USSR republics now for 8 years, using metric flight levels and different radio phaseology, definitely keeps you on your toes. Anywhere else is boring !!
But its getting better. In another 10 ten years it will be the same as the west.
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job in russia
hi pprunner!
i have atpl frozen and want to find a job in moscow and i even dont have any idea about it.
is it possible with atpl frozen?
how can i search for it?
have a safety landings!!!
i have atpl frozen and want to find a job in moscow and i even dont have any idea about it.
is it possible with atpl frozen?
how can i search for it?
have a safety landings!!!
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i even dont have any idea about it
First question, if you want to go there, do you speak russian?
Second, how and where did you gain your licence?
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although they need hours you can try www.clintondale.com -they have bussiness jets.
good luck
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good luck
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Jobs in Russia
Dobraye utra, mvp mst... Privet -
Ochen priyatnya -
xxx
Sorry, I dont have the Cyrillic alphabet in my programs.
Govorit po ruski...?
xxx
I know a little bit about Russia and the aviation there.
Some 2 years ago, I did ferry-delivery flights of four ex Virgin 747-200s for TransAero, an airline based in Moscow. I assisted them in the training of their crews in simulators. Nice chaps, really.
xxx
Do you speak Russian...? And if you do, I doubt very much that the airlines there will hire anyone from outside, unless you have a TU-204 rating, and grew-up in Novosibirsk or Petropavlovsk... maybe you flew AN-2 as well...?
xxx
You have a frozen ATPL - ok - so I assume you know all about flying with metric levels, and use a QFE for approach and landing at Sheremetyevo or Domodedovo. It is quite strange to fly at 240 kilometers per hour for Vref, and keep 4 meters per second rate of descent on glide slope. Of course, I am sure you know all about that.
xxx
The little I know about Russia, I would suggest you keep your ATPL in your kitchen freezer if you expect to be hired there. A few "millionaires" in the new Russia own Learjets and Falcons 50s based part time at Vnukovo, to fly them to the French Riviera or the Greek Islands each week-end, with foreign crews, that would be the only alternative for you, but these bizjets are managed by Jet Aviation in Zurich and are flown under foreign registry. I met some of these crews at my hotel there. Good pay, good accommodations
xxx
Moscow is very nice, but watch out for thieves. Not as safe as it was 20 or 25 years ago. Not too many Volgas left, they drive BMWs and Audis nowadays.... St Petersburg is a lovely city, as it always was.
xxx
Vodka is still cheap but I don't like vodka. Just good as antifreeze for your windscreen washers. But if you like lagers, ask for a Baltika, my favorite. They import good wines from Georgia (not Atlanta but Tbilisi)...
xxx
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Ochen priyatnya -
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Sorry, I dont have the Cyrillic alphabet in my programs.
Govorit po ruski...?
xxx
I know a little bit about Russia and the aviation there.
Some 2 years ago, I did ferry-delivery flights of four ex Virgin 747-200s for TransAero, an airline based in Moscow. I assisted them in the training of their crews in simulators. Nice chaps, really.
xxx
Do you speak Russian...? And if you do, I doubt very much that the airlines there will hire anyone from outside, unless you have a TU-204 rating, and grew-up in Novosibirsk or Petropavlovsk... maybe you flew AN-2 as well...?
xxx
You have a frozen ATPL - ok - so I assume you know all about flying with metric levels, and use a QFE for approach and landing at Sheremetyevo or Domodedovo. It is quite strange to fly at 240 kilometers per hour for Vref, and keep 4 meters per second rate of descent on glide slope. Of course, I am sure you know all about that.
xxx
The little I know about Russia, I would suggest you keep your ATPL in your kitchen freezer if you expect to be hired there. A few "millionaires" in the new Russia own Learjets and Falcons 50s based part time at Vnukovo, to fly them to the French Riviera or the Greek Islands each week-end, with foreign crews, that would be the only alternative for you, but these bizjets are managed by Jet Aviation in Zurich and are flown under foreign registry. I met some of these crews at my hotel there. Good pay, good accommodations
xxx
Moscow is very nice, but watch out for thieves. Not as safe as it was 20 or 25 years ago. Not too many Volgas left, they drive BMWs and Audis nowadays.... St Petersburg is a lovely city, as it always was.
xxx
Vodka is still cheap but I don't like vodka. Just good as antifreeze for your windscreen washers. But if you like lagers, ask for a Baltika, my favorite. They import good wines from Georgia (not Atlanta but Tbilisi)...
xxx
Happy contrails
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privet BelArgUSA!
spassibo bolshoe!ya govoru chut chut po russki)))
i've been in moscow few times but didn't ve time to see st petersburg.
actually i flew only by cessna 172 and 421 and i ve 200 flight hours.(my training flights).i dont ve commercial experience,thus i m wondering can i find job with this qualificatiın in russia.
i think i can get use to metric system and qfe,i promise))
spassibo bolshoe!ya govoru chut chut po russki)))
i've been in moscow few times but didn't ve time to see st petersburg.
actually i flew only by cessna 172 and 421 and i ve 200 flight hours.(my training flights).i dont ve commercial experience,thus i m wondering can i find job with this qualificatiın in russia.
i think i can get use to metric system and qfe,i promise))
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Privet ruskie!
I nekogda nesnal chto v roccie tak letaut. I seichas chivu V australia N hochu poehat letat v rocciu procto vsit samolot i poletat eto vosmosno?
Just a translation because after reading it i thought it'll may be hard to understand. My question is it possible to private hire an aircraft and fly around russia i guess i have to take a dual lesson beore i fly my self and is there much space for private flying(structure of the airspace)
I nekogda nesnal chto v roccie tak letaut. I seichas chivu V australia N hochu poehat letat v rocciu procto vsit samolot i poletat eto vosmosno?
Just a translation because after reading it i thought it'll may be hard to understand. My question is it possible to private hire an aircraft and fly around russia i guess i have to take a dual lesson beore i fly my self and is there much space for private flying(structure of the airspace)
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Flying in Russia + CIS
Gentlemen - (and ladies if applicable) -
xxx
Russia is getting there, little by little... but will take a while.
For light aircraft flying, only activity is at aero clubs...
Private jets are owned or leased by the new millionaires of Russia.
General aviation and bizjets seem more active at Moscow Vnukovo airport.
Faster handling at Moscow Domodedovo or Sheremetyevo airports (for crew visas)
All the ones I have seen in Russia lately (2 years ago) were not RA- registry.
xxx
If you fly in Russia, better get briefed for a few days by local pilots.
Metric heights and levels (Russians do not use QNH atltitudes)
They only use QFE heights and QNE levels.
Means they have transition heights, and transition levels only.
Altimeter settings are in mB, but also could use mm/HG (standard is 760 mm)
xxx
Watch out for your navigation, dont get "off" your airways.
Airways are in TRUE DEGREES, NOT MAGNETIC...
Jeppesen does not print many NavAids that ATC tells you to proceed to.
No coordinates are available for your INS-IRS-GPS for these NavAids.
Some airways - airspaces can not handle English communications.
Don't waste time asking for "direct to" - you only fly on published routes.
xxx
Personal opinion, the only "bad habit" for Russia ATC is as follows -
They will vector you to the ILS, but, at 90º angle (base leg) to LOC.
You get cleared for the approach... but YOU decide when you turn on LOC.
So, expect that you will need a stiff 30º bank to intercept LOC.
xxx
Better have 2 good ADF receivers, lots of NDBs are used.
A metric altimeter IS A MUST (despite your metric/feet tables).
Not a requirement, just an advice, you cannot convert fast enough.
xxx
Metric conversions:
All aircraft speeds in kilometers per hour - i.e. 480 kts TAS = 890 KPH TAS.
1 nautical mile is 1,853 meters or 1.853 kilometers
They use meters per second (m/sec) for vertical speeds and wind speeds...
VSI - 1 meter per second = 200 feet per minute climb/descent.
Wind speeds - 1 meter per second = 2 knots.
xxx
Concrete runway slabs are very rough on your landing gear.
Particularly in touch down zone area.
Conditions permitting, takeoff or land slightly OFF centerline.
xxx
After start, expect a "FOLLOW ME" vehicle to lead you to runway for T/O.
Same after landing, expect a "FOLLOW ME" vehicle to parking on ramp or gate.
Don't blind them with your landing lights ON...
xxx
I normally charge US$60/hr for classroom instruction/lectures.
With my airline, Russia/CIS and China course is a 1 day, 8 hrs classroom subject.
You Ppruners should be glad to get all this for free.
xxx
Happy contrails
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xxx
Russia is getting there, little by little... but will take a while.
For light aircraft flying, only activity is at aero clubs...
Private jets are owned or leased by the new millionaires of Russia.
General aviation and bizjets seem more active at Moscow Vnukovo airport.
Faster handling at Moscow Domodedovo or Sheremetyevo airports (for crew visas)
All the ones I have seen in Russia lately (2 years ago) were not RA- registry.
xxx
If you fly in Russia, better get briefed for a few days by local pilots.
Metric heights and levels (Russians do not use QNH atltitudes)
They only use QFE heights and QNE levels.
Means they have transition heights, and transition levels only.
Altimeter settings are in mB, but also could use mm/HG (standard is 760 mm)
xxx
Watch out for your navigation, dont get "off" your airways.
Airways are in TRUE DEGREES, NOT MAGNETIC...
Jeppesen does not print many NavAids that ATC tells you to proceed to.
No coordinates are available for your INS-IRS-GPS for these NavAids.
Some airways - airspaces can not handle English communications.
Don't waste time asking for "direct to" - you only fly on published routes.
xxx
Personal opinion, the only "bad habit" for Russia ATC is as follows -
They will vector you to the ILS, but, at 90º angle (base leg) to LOC.
You get cleared for the approach... but YOU decide when you turn on LOC.
So, expect that you will need a stiff 30º bank to intercept LOC.
xxx
Better have 2 good ADF receivers, lots of NDBs are used.
A metric altimeter IS A MUST (despite your metric/feet tables).
Not a requirement, just an advice, you cannot convert fast enough.
xxx
Metric conversions:
All aircraft speeds in kilometers per hour - i.e. 480 kts TAS = 890 KPH TAS.
1 nautical mile is 1,853 meters or 1.853 kilometers
They use meters per second (m/sec) for vertical speeds and wind speeds...
VSI - 1 meter per second = 200 feet per minute climb/descent.
Wind speeds - 1 meter per second = 2 knots.
xxx
Concrete runway slabs are very rough on your landing gear.
Particularly in touch down zone area.
Conditions permitting, takeoff or land slightly OFF centerline.
xxx
After start, expect a "FOLLOW ME" vehicle to lead you to runway for T/O.
Same after landing, expect a "FOLLOW ME" vehicle to parking on ramp or gate.
Don't blind them with your landing lights ON...
xxx
I normally charge US$60/hr for classroom instruction/lectures.
With my airline, Russia/CIS and China course is a 1 day, 8 hrs classroom subject.
You Ppruners should be glad to get all this for free.
xxx
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Dear Sir,
My name is Derek Butler and I'm an American pilot currently doing a lot of international ferry work with GA aircraft (I guess for once the low US dollar is helping me for a change). I'm bidding a contract to move a Diamond DA42 to Japan and the best route takes me through Kamchatka for a leg (Nome, AK to Anadyr, Anadyr to Petropovlovsk and from there into Japan).
It looks like the permits and visas are pretty straight forward and I burn Jet fuel so I'm not overly concerned about fuel availiability (yet). Additionally, I use to fly in China and it sounds like they're ATC works the same, no surprise there I suppose.
Do you know where I can find a Russian pilot for the inter-Russian leg? Any advise you have on this or anything else would be greatly appriciated.
Tailwinds,
Derek
My name is Derek Butler and I'm an American pilot currently doing a lot of international ferry work with GA aircraft (I guess for once the low US dollar is helping me for a change). I'm bidding a contract to move a Diamond DA42 to Japan and the best route takes me through Kamchatka for a leg (Nome, AK to Anadyr, Anadyr to Petropovlovsk and from there into Japan).
It looks like the permits and visas are pretty straight forward and I burn Jet fuel so I'm not overly concerned about fuel availiability (yet). Additionally, I use to fly in China and it sounds like they're ATC works the same, no surprise there I suppose.
Do you know where I can find a Russian pilot for the inter-Russian leg? Any advise you have on this or anything else would be greatly appriciated.
Tailwinds,
Derek
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Hi CorsairDB1,
It happens that I was born in Far East of Russia and grew up in Kamchatka!
Unfortunately I left about 15 years ago and I can't recommend anyone, but I can try to find someone for you on Russian aviation forums - I'm sure we'll find someone.
Give me more details for the pilot you're looking for - any specific requirements?
It happens that I was born in Far East of Russia and grew up in Kamchatka!
Unfortunately I left about 15 years ago and I can't recommend anyone, but I can try to find someone for you on Russian aviation forums - I'm sure we'll find someone.
Give me more details for the pilot you're looking for - any specific requirements?