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Any Multi Piston Jobs Out There?
I have been out of the loop for last two years. Are there still any jobs available for single pilot multi IR stuff ?
Does anyone know what kind of demand there is for freelance pilots these days?
Much obliged
UTF
Does anyone know what kind of demand there is for freelance pilots these days?
Much obliged
UTF
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Definately jobs around, but generally short notice and prefer you to have experience and be current. As far as demand for freelance pilots goes......I'm currently freelancing for 3 companies so I'd say there's a good demand!
I believe Centreline may still be looking for a PA34 pilot, and although the pay is certainly not good, it could be a good way back into it?
What experience level are you coming back to it from?
I believe Centreline may still be looking for a PA34 pilot, and although the pay is certainly not good, it could be a good way back into it?
What experience level are you coming back to it from?
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Use small operators on www.ppjn.com for a list, centerline are advertising on pprune for pa34 pilots.
Dont know what the deal is but heard they pay very very little, but if you need the hours call them
Bristol International Airport,
North Somerset,
BS48 3DP
Phone 01275-474357/Fax 01275-474851
WW
Dont know what the deal is but heard they pay very very little, but if you need the hours call them
Bristol International Airport,
North Somerset,
BS48 3DP
Phone 01275-474357/Fax 01275-474851
WW
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can someone remind me of the minimum experience required to fly single pilot multi IFR under an AOC or maybe centreline operates their PA34 as Air Taxi and not AOC?
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Air Taxi needs an AOC just the same as every other bloke and blokess flying for hire/reward does. Only Aerial Work doesn't need an AOC (for the moment).
Centreline have it stated in their AOC that commanders may have 400 hours etc etc. Most other air taxi bods have the minimum set by the CAA as 700 hours.
Centreline are still looking I believe (the ad is still at the top of this page). The job was offered to a colleague of mine, but at £12K per year he wasn't tempted to jump ship from our mob...
Centreline have it stated in their AOC that commanders may have 400 hours etc etc. Most other air taxi bods have the minimum set by the CAA as 700 hours.
Centreline are still looking I believe (the ad is still at the top of this page). The job was offered to a colleague of mine, but at £12K per year he wasn't tempted to jump ship from our mob...
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People,
What would you expect to be paid as a PA34 driver.
The 12k mentioned above was for 2-3 days pre-rostered flying per week, accomodation and car thrown in, plus £150 per day for any additional ad-hoc flying!
I think that is in line with most air taxi ops?
The role is not designed to tempt anyone to jump ship, we are looking for new guys who are happy to up sticks and build some hours on a fair package.
Phil
What would you expect to be paid as a PA34 driver.
The 12k mentioned above was for 2-3 days pre-rostered flying per week, accomodation and car thrown in, plus £150 per day for any additional ad-hoc flying!
I think that is in line with most air taxi ops?
The role is not designed to tempt anyone to jump ship, we are looking for new guys who are happy to up sticks and build some hours on a fair package.
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Winch Launch,
The minimum hours are set (I believe) in the AOC for each company, and some have lower requirements than others depending on the arrangement with the CAA when JAR was implemented.
Centreline have one of the lowest requirements around, BUT you need to remember that even if you meet the hours you still need to pass the OPC and LPC (harder with less experience). Although I'm sure Phil Brockwell can correct me if I'm wrong here.
Phil,
It was me that Wx Man is talking about.
And for everyone else reading this thread,
It wasn't that the pay was unfair for the work in question. Moreover that there wasn't enough work (and thus pay) to make it financially viable for me personally.
However, for someone looking for their first job, it does seem an ideal entry point to a respectable air taxi company, with good prospects in the longer term. And as Phil said above, the pay is pretty much in line with other companies (for the amount of work you would be doing).
Also worth bearing in mind that it does come with accomodation (shared with the other crew) and a car (for to/from airport travel only), which is more than a lot of companies will offer. Keep tax implications in mind though!
If you're looking for your first job......seems a good one to try for.
Safe flying to all.
Chinchilla.
The minimum hours are set (I believe) in the AOC for each company, and some have lower requirements than others depending on the arrangement with the CAA when JAR was implemented.
Centreline have one of the lowest requirements around, BUT you need to remember that even if you meet the hours you still need to pass the OPC and LPC (harder with less experience). Although I'm sure Phil Brockwell can correct me if I'm wrong here.
Phil,
It was me that Wx Man is talking about.
And for everyone else reading this thread,
It wasn't that the pay was unfair for the work in question. Moreover that there wasn't enough work (and thus pay) to make it financially viable for me personally.
However, for someone looking for their first job, it does seem an ideal entry point to a respectable air taxi company, with good prospects in the longer term. And as Phil said above, the pay is pretty much in line with other companies (for the amount of work you would be doing).
Also worth bearing in mind that it does come with accomodation (shared with the other crew) and a car (for to/from airport travel only), which is more than a lot of companies will offer. Keep tax implications in mind though!
If you're looking for your first job......seems a good one to try for.
Safe flying to all.
Chinchilla.
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Chincilla,
Thanks for making that clear to everyone, I wouldn't like to get the reputation of paying "p!ss poor" wages.
I'm quite surprised that we got such a poor response, 10k per year for 2 nights work with accomodation supplied seemed a good deal to me, guess there are just too many jobs out there for low houred guys!
We jigged it around and managed to get one BFS based guy to run 5 nights a week, with the occasional BRS pilot easyjetting up to cover him.
So he'll see mid £20's with car and flat for working mon-fri. Not bad for a Seneca guy I think.
Phil
Thanks for making that clear to everyone, I wouldn't like to get the reputation of paying "p!ss poor" wages.
I'm quite surprised that we got such a poor response, 10k per year for 2 nights work with accomodation supplied seemed a good deal to me, guess there are just too many jobs out there for low houred guys!
We jigged it around and managed to get one BFS based guy to run 5 nights a week, with the occasional BRS pilot easyjetting up to cover him.
So he'll see mid £20's with car and flat for working mon-fri. Not bad for a Seneca guy I think.
Phil
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I'm a little surprised that you got a 'poor response' Phil - wonder how many people didn't apply because they didn't meet the requirements you asked for (me for one).
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Not having the minimum requirements didn't stop many people applying, we had loads of applications, unfortunately if you haven't got the minimums the CV's go straight in the bin (a frustrating sifting process).
While I'm on this subject a couple of points.
Sim time is not part of your Total Time.
Just because you once met Martin Barnes you still need the minimum hours.
Phil
While I'm on this subject a couple of points.
Sim time is not part of your Total Time.
Just because you once met Martin Barnes you still need the minimum hours.
Phil
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Not having the minimum requirements didn't stop many people applying - we had loads of applications, unfortunately if you haven't got the minimums the CV's go straight in the bin (a frustrating sifting process).
Which is as it should be - otherwise why have minimum requirements?! Unfortunately, some of your recruiting colleagues elsewhere in this industry seem to say one thing and do another, which leads to people ignoring what is asked for - if they ignore their own minimums, why shouldn't we? Makes everything very grey and confusing and leads to your paper bin becoming full
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Slightly different to the airlines using hours requirements to limit the number of applications, our limits are based on the fact that below these hours we cannot employ you.
Phil
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Yes true - but how many knew that difference in your case? Not many, judging by the number of inappropriate applications sent... I bet that even if you stated the reason for the minimum requirements on the ad, many would not have believed you, such is the game-playing that seems to go on in the industry.
My previous comment was not a criticism (quite the opposite in fact) - I'm just lamenting the fact that recruitment in this game sometime seems to be a black art when it could easily be a science.
My previous comment was not a criticism (quite the opposite in fact) - I'm just lamenting the fact that recruitment in this game sometime seems to be a black art when it could easily be a science.
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Wow, low hour jobs do exist?
It seems that somebody is advertising on PPRuNe for very low hour pilots - well, 400 hours for a Seneca driver is low isn't it?
http://www.pprune.org/centrelinead/centrelinead1.html
No, I have no connection whatsoever, only commenting on the remarkably low hour requirements!
http://www.pprune.org/centrelinead/centrelinead1.html
No, I have no connection whatsoever, only commenting on the remarkably low hour requirements!
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Phil,
shame i didnt haave the 40 hrs multi ifr p1 you need - i met all the other flying requirements and also licenced engineer on your types (could be of use down route!) but if you get stuck im still interested in upping sticks to coventry or liverpool !!
shame i didnt haave the 40 hrs multi ifr p1 you need - i met all the other flying requirements and also licenced engineer on your types (could be of use down route!) but if you get stuck im still interested in upping sticks to coventry or liverpool !!
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Pre 9-11, 200 - 300 hours multi engine would have got you noticed and prob a job too in the airlines.
Now with the need to gain 500 hours multi-crew time, I wonder if this has put many pilots off applying.
Why fly multi-piston when all the airlines want Yes, type rated hours on type, but seemingly 500 hours multi-crew ? Therefore better to fly a bizjet or TP greater than 5700kg, get your full atpl.
WW
Now with the need to gain 500 hours multi-crew time, I wonder if this has put many pilots off applying.
Why fly multi-piston when all the airlines want Yes, type rated hours on type, but seemingly 500 hours multi-crew ? Therefore better to fly a bizjet or TP greater than 5700kg, get your full atpl.
WW